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[JoeMoma]

I would build the thing to prove it works but to do that it would have to be built full scale, in the ocean as advertised. You can’t make a scaled model, it wouldn’t work.

A three-dimensional computer model would work if it was programed to operate with the same parameters as the real thing including depth and sea pressure; ATM’s and it would have to operate in real time..

For every ATM in depth (33') an air bubble is compressed to half its size.
This also works in the reverse. An air bubble with a radius of 10 FT at 15 ATM's will expand to twice its size (r=20) at 14 ATM's.

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An air bubble with a radius of 10 FT at 15 ATM's will expand to twice its size (r=20) at 14 ATM's.

PV=nRT

Cough....check your math....Cough

Also, doubling the radius would result in increasing the volume by a factor of 8 (2^3).

Doubling the pressure halves the volume, halving the pressure doubles the volume.
No need for a radius or radius^3.

Agreed. Just saying that doubling the radius (of a sphere) equates to increasing the volume of the sphere by a factor of 8. So his math is wrong several ways.

Well, if we start listing all the ways he's wrong, we'll be here all night.

Yep! I'm just here for the entertainment anyway.

 

[watchingfromafar]

Cough....check your math....Cough

Boyle's law, most often referred to as the Boyle–Mariotte law, or Mariotte's law (especially in France), is an experimental gas law that describes how the pressure of a gas tends to increase as the volume of the container decreases. A modern statement of Boyle's law is

The absolute pressure exerted by a given mass of an ideal gas is inversely proportional to the volume it occupies if the temperature and amount of gas remain unchanged within a closed system.[1][2]

Mathematically, Boyle's law can be stated as

{\displaystyle P\propto {\frac {1}{V}}}

Pressure is inversely proportional to the volume.
or

{\displaystyle PV=k}

Pressure multiplied by volume equals some constant {\displaystyle k}

.
where P is the pressure of the gas, V is the volume of the gas, and k is a constant.
Boyle's law - Wikipedia

 

[watchingfromafar]

Well, if we start listing all the ways he's wrong, we'll be here all night.

"We"-? You have not proven any of this wrong. The only wrong you have managed to prove is your "wrong" assumptions
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[eagle1462010]

Cough....check your math....Cough

Boyle's law, most often referred to as the Boyle–Mariotte law, or Mariotte's law (especially in France), is an experimental gas law that describes how the pressure of a gas tends to increase as the volume of the container decreases. A modern statement of Boyle's law is

The absolute pressure exerted by a given mass of an ideal gas is inversely proportional to the volume it occupies if the temperature and amount of gas remain unchanged within a closed system.[1][2]

Mathematically, Boyle's law can be stated as

{\displaystyle P\propto {\frac {1}{V}}}

Pressure is inversely proportional to the volume.
or

{\displaystyle PV=k}

Pressure multiplied by volume equals some constant {\displaystyle k}

.
where P is the pressure of the gas, V is the volume of the gas, and k is a constant.
Boyle's law - Wikipedia

The pump would have to match the pressure at the lower depths of the ocean.............causing more energy to be used to get it here.................

Look...............make a floating current generator that extends down into the water............that can be anchored to the ocean floor.......................

Say it will save the planet and sell it in places like California.............the greenees will run to it and buy it.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Cough....check your math....Cough

Boyle's law, most often referred to as the Boyle–Mariotte law, or Mariotte's law (especially in France), is an experimental gas law that describes how the pressure of a gas tends to increase as the volume of the container decreases. A modern statement of Boyle's law is

The absolute pressure exerted by a given mass of an ideal gas is inversely proportional to the volume it occupies if the temperature and amount of gas remain unchanged within a closed system.[1][2]

Mathematically, Boyle's law can be stated as

{\displaystyle P\propto {\frac {1}{V}}}

Pressure is inversely proportional to the volume.
or

{\displaystyle PV=k}

Pressure multiplied by volume equals some constant {\displaystyle k}

.
where P is the pressure of the gas, V is the volume of the gas, and k is a constant.
Boyle's law - Wikipedia

Yes, your error was serious. Glad you see that now.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Well, if we start listing all the ways he's wrong, we'll be here all night.

"We"-? You have not proven any of this wrong. The only wrong you have managed to prove is your "wrong" assumptions
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"We"-? You have not proven any of this wrong.

What proof do you require for "friction"?

 

[watchingfromafar]

"We"-? You have not proven any of this wrong.

Boyle's Law: Air Volume = 1/ Pressure
Not a math person? This means that the deeper you go, the more air compresses. To find out how much, make a fraction of 1 over the pressure. If the pressure is 2 ATA, then the volume of the compressed air is ½ of its original size at the surface.
Every 33 feet of salt water = 1 ATA of pressure
What Scuba Divers Need to Know About Depth and Pressure

The above proves that an air bubble is compressed to half its size with an increase of one atmosphere in pressure. And the reverse holds true too.
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[watchingfromafar]

What proof do you require for "friction"?

“Friction”-?

I believe you mean the resistance of the water to move out of the way of a rising air bubble. An air bubble rises two (2) feet per second in seawater. Whatever resistance there is, is overcome because the air bubble does rise.

Thanks for participating in this and I hope you and others here continue to debate this until it is either proven not to work or that it does indeed work.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

"We"-? You have not proven any of this wrong.

Boyle's Law: Air Volume = 1/ Pressure
Not a math person? This means that the deeper you go, the more air compresses. To find out how much, make a fraction of 1 over the pressure. If the pressure is 2 ATA, then the volume of the compressed air is ½ of its original size at the surface.
Every 33 feet of salt water = 1 ATA of pressure
What Scuba Divers Need to Know About Depth and Pressure

The above proves that an air bubble is compressed to half its size with an increase of one atmosphere in pressure. And the reverse holds true too.
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The above proves that an air bubble is compressed to half its size with an increase of one atmosphere in pressure. And the reverse holds true too.

PV=nRT too complex for you?

Test your claim going from 3 atm to 4 atm...…..

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

What proof do you require for "friction"?

“Friction”-?

I believe you mean the resistance of the water to move out of the way of a rising air bubble. An air bubble rises two (2) feet per second in seawater. Whatever resistance there is, is overcome because the air bubble does rise.

Thanks for participating in this and I hope you and others here continue to debate this until it is either proven not to work or that it does indeed work.

Yes, your buckets are subject to friction with the water.
In both directions.

 

[watchingfromafar]

Here is another way of looking at this.

[step one] An air bubble (balloon) is compressed to 264.6 p.s.i. (18 ATM) and this balloon (1) has a volume of 10 cubic feet after being compressed.

You raise balloon (1) 33 feet (1 ATM) to (17 ATM) and this balloon will expand to 20 feet cubic feet.

[step two] An air bubble (balloon) is compressed to 264.6 p.s.i. (18 ATM) and this bubble (2) has a volume of 10 cubic feet after being compressed and this balloon is attached to balloon (1)

You raise balloon (2) 33 feet (1 ATM) to (17 ATM) and this balloon will expand to 20 feet cubic feet while balloon (1) rises 33 feet as well and expands to 40 cubic feet.

One (1) cubic foot of displaced sea water has a lifting force of 64 pounds

...............Balloon one has displaced 40 cubic feet giving it a lifting force of 2,560 pounds.
Balloon two (2) has displaced 10 cubic feet of water giving it a lifting force of 640 pounds.
Now the combined lifting force is 3,200 pounds

Do you agree or disagree with the above?
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[watchingfromafar]

Yes, your buckets are subject to friction with the water.
In both directions.

I agree there is a resistance to the rising balloons but I do not believe this would stop the process.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Here is another way of looking at this.

[step one] An air bubble (balloon) is compressed to 264.6 p.s.i. (18 ATM) and this balloon (1) has a volume of 10 cubic feet after being compressed.

You raise balloon (1) 33 feet (1 ATM) to (17 ATM) and this balloon will expand to 20 feet cubic feet.

[step two] An air bubble (balloon) is compressed to 264.6 p.s.i. (18 ATM) and this bubble (2) has a volume of 10 cubic feet after being compressed and this balloon is attached to balloon (1)

You raise balloon (2) 33 feet (1 ATM) to (17 ATM) and this balloon will expand to 20 feet cubic feet while balloon (1) rises 33 feet as well and expands to 40 cubic feet.

One (1) cubic foot of displaced sea water has a lifting force of 64 pounds

...............Balloon one has displaced 40 cubic feet giving it a lifting force of 2,560 pounds.
Balloon two (2) has displaced 10 cubic feet of water giving it a lifting force of 640 pounds.
Now the combined lifting force is 3,200 pounds

Do you agree or disagree with the above?
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[step one] An air bubble (balloon) is compressed to 264.6 p.s.i. (18 ATM) and this balloon (1) has a volume of 10 cubic feet after being compressed.

You raise balloon (1) 33 feet (1 ATM) to (17 ATM) and this balloon will expand to 20 feet cubic feet.

You don't have to post another error to show you don't understand.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Yes, your buckets are subject to friction with the water.
In both directions.

I agree there is a resistance to the rising balloons but I do not believe this would stop the process.

No, the massive loss of energy to friction would not stop your "generator".

 

[watchingfromafar]

Test your claim going from 3 atm to 4 atm...…..

The relationship is the same; 33 feet of water weighs the same regardless of the overall depth of this particular 33 feet.or so I believe
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[Toddsterpatriot]

"We"-? You have not proven any of this wrong.

Boyle's Law: Air Volume = 1/ Pressure
Not a math person? This means that the deeper you go, the more air compresses. To find out how much, make a fraction of 1 over the pressure. If the pressure is 2 ATA, then the volume of the compressed air is ½ of its original size at the surface.
Every 33 feet of salt water = 1 ATA of pressure
What Scuba Divers Need to Know About Depth and Pressure

The above proves that an air bubble is compressed to half its size with an increase of one atmosphere in pressure. And the reverse holds true too.
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Not a math person?

It's obvious you are not a math person.

To find out how much, make a fraction of 1 over the pressure. If the pressure is 2 ATA, then the volume of the compressed air is ½ of its original size at the surface.

Excellent! Now go from 2 atm to 3 atm. 3 atm to 4 atm.

 

[watchingfromafar]

No, the massive loss of energy to friction would not stop your "generator".

I would not call it "massive" but I do agree; it needs to be taken into account.
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[watchingfromafar]

Excellent! Now go from 2 atm to 3 atm. 3 atm to 4 atm.

1 ATM 100 cubic feet
2 ATM 50 cubic feet
3 ATM 25 cubic feet
4 ATM 12.5 cubic feet

Next.,.,
At some point the water molecules will no longer compress

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Excellent! Now go from 2 atm to 3 atm. 3 atm to 4 atm.

1 ATM 100 cubic feet
2 ATM 50 cubic feet
3 ATM 25 cubic feet
4 ATM 12.5 cubic feet

Next.,.,
At some point the water molecules will no longer compress

1 ATM 100 cubic feet
2 ATM 50 cubic feet
3 ATM 25 cubic feet
4 ATM 12.5 cubic feet


make a fraction of 1 over the pressure.

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From your source...….

Try again?

 

[watchingfromafar]

From your source...….
Try again?

Please Oh Wise One, you make the fractions for me, I do need your enlightenment.

No animosity intended or implied
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