UK : Pakistani men sexually abused 1400 young/minor girls

[ChrisL]

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Chalk and cheese when you look at the facts, he was placed on the sex offenders list for downloading photographs. He was not part of an organised group who acted because of their culture and religion against 11 year old girls and raped them. If he had ne would have faced a long time in prison on self imposed segregation.

Downloading child porn requires organised rings of people.
I'm guessing, with all the controls against it, kiddie porn is hard work to find, so he must have known where to look; that means someone told him.
Now consider this - if you use images of children being abused for your sexual pleasure, the kid has to be abused in the first place.
In my mind, that makes the user just as guilty as the direct abuser - no excuses.
There is no culture or religion issue here - it's simple bastard or not bastard.

I agree in part, but there is no denying that rape and child marriage are part of the culture. That is a fact.

 

[Mindful]

In the UK case, the establishment was almost OCD about political correctness. Did not want go be seen as singling out Muslims for such crimes.

I keep hearing this absurd logic that British authorities were afraid of singling out Muslims. Let me spell it out to you and everyone else who is clutching on to that straw. You do not have to single out Muslims to prosecute the perpetrators. Just prosecute the perpetrators to the fullest extent of law. It has nothing to do with Muslims unless they tried to protect these perpetrators. If you do not want to mention their ethnicity, that is fine too. Just refer to them as British men. Do not tag them as Asians. That is absurd and demonstrates the racism of British media.

Why is it absurd logic? I see members of the British establishment admitting mea culpa on TV every day.

It's called "political correctness." Obviously, a lot of these Muslims are from dirt poor countries where they are uneducated and ignorant. They are left to their own devices mostly, and marry young (VERY YOUNG) girls, in some instances as young as 9 years old. It's a part of their culture and a rotten custom that they have been practicing for CENTURIES. It is just another way to oppress women.

I cannot understand why people would be surprised by this happening. Take a look at Sweden and how much the rape statistics have jumped. They wouldn't admit to it either and instead of blaming the influx of Muslim immigrants from the ME, they say it is due to a "change in society." They let uneducated violent savages into their country, and now their girls are paying the price.

A lot of those Muslims are British born and bred. From large Pakistani communities in the North of England. Many of the children did report those awful violations, but no one did anything about it.

There doesn't seem to be these problems amongst the British Indian communities.

Well then, they must be teaching them the ways of the mother country. And this is what also happens when you have a group of immigrants who refuse to integrate. It would be interesting to know if these perpetrators were educated mainstream, or in their own little private community mosques, etc.

Do you remember the 7/7 Tube bombings in London? That group of perpetrators were well integrated in to English society, and were to all intents and purposes, British. Only the week before the event, one if them had been at some sporting venue, playing cricket.

 

[ChrisL]

In the UK case, the establishment was almost OCD about political correctness. Did not want go be seen as singling out Muslims for such crimes.

I keep hearing this absurd logic that British authorities were afraid of singling out Muslims. Let me spell it out to you and everyone else who is clutching on to that straw. You do not have to single out Muslims to prosecute the perpetrators. Just prosecute the perpetrators to the fullest extent of law. It has nothing to do with Muslims unless they tried to protect these perpetrators. If you do not want to mention their ethnicity, that is fine too. Just refer to them as British men. Do not tag them as Asians. That is absurd and demonstrates the racism of British media.

Why is it absurd logic? I see members of the British establishment admitting mea culpa on TV every day.

It's called "political correctness." Obviously, a lot of these Muslims are from dirt poor countries where they are uneducated and ignorant. They are left to their own devices mostly, and marry young (VERY YOUNG) girls, in some instances as young as 9 years old. It's a part of their culture and a rotten custom that they have been practicing for CENTURIES. It is just another way to oppress women.

I cannot understand why people would be surprised by this happening. Take a look at Sweden and how much the rape statistics have jumped. They wouldn't admit to it either and instead of blaming the influx of Muslim immigrants from the ME, they say it is due to a "change in society." They let uneducated violent savages into their country, and now their girls are paying the price.

A lot of those Muslims are British born and bred. From large Pakistani communities in the North of England. Many of the children did report those awful violations, but no one did anything about it.

There doesn't seem to be these problems amongst the British Indian communities.

Well then, they must be teaching them the ways of the mother country. And this is what also happens when you have a group of immigrants who refuse to integrate. It would be interesting to know if these perpetrators were educated mainstream, or in their own little private community mosques, etc.

Do you remember the 7/7 Tube bombings in London? That group of perpetrators were well integrated in to English society, and were to all intents and purposes, British. Only the week before the event, one if them had been at some sporting venue, playing cricket.

Mmmm. I think they want you to BELIEVE that they have integrated into society, but obviously they have not. Do we need any more proof? All one has to do is take a look around the world (except for perhaps here in America because we just happen to be the best at this "melting pot" thing).

I think the mistake is allowing these people to just come into their country and continue to live the way they lived in the Middle East and to isolate themselves from the rest of society. Then, they raise their children this way as well. They probably even go back and forth between countries in some instances too. I've heard that there are areas where the police won't dare to patrol in certain communities. Of course, my information is all second hand knowledge, but there is no denying that there is some kind of problem here. There is definitely culture clash going on, and if these are people who were born and raised there, then the problem must be REALLY bad.

 

[Vikrant]

OK people - this is getting out of control. Do not blame cricket players or Jews or Muslims or Catholics or any other group for the crimes of these perpetrators.

Facts are simple:

a) Some British men committed horrific sexual crimes against underage girls
b) British authorities colluded with the perpetrators

I play cricket and now I am beginning to take it personally all these racism that you folks are spouting against cricketers. Take it easy. Show some faith in the humanity. People of no religion would take delight in exploiting young girls like that. This is heinous to say the least.

 

[Mindful]

OK people - this is getting out of control. Do not blame cricket players or Jews or Muslims or Catholics or any other group for the crimes of these perpetrators.

Facts are simple:

a) Some British men committed horrific sexual crimes against underage girls
b) British authorities colluded with the perpetrators

I play cricket and now I am beginning to take it personally all these racism that you folks are spouting. Take it easy. Show some faith in the humanity. People of no religion would take delight in exploiting young girls like that. This is heinous to say the least.

What racism are you referring to? Islam is not a race. Even blue eyed blondes can be Moslems. Indians are a race, and there are no such problems with them in the UK.

 

[ChrisL]

OK people - this is getting out of control. Do not blame cricket players or Jews or Muslims or Catholics or any other group for the crimes of these perpetrators.

Facts are simple:

a) Some British men committed horrific sexual crimes against underage girls
b) British authorities colluded with the perpetrators

I play cricket and now I am beginning to take it personally all these racism that you folks are spouting against cricketers. Take it easy. Show some faith in the humanity. People of no religion would take delight in exploiting young girls like that. This is heinous to say the least.

There is something rotten in the Muslim religion. I don't care if observing that fact makes someone want to call me a "bigot" or whatever. Just look around the world!!!

 

[irosie91]

refusing to accept the fact that people of DIFFERENT CULTURES----are more or less prone to this or that
KIND of criminality is very very naïve and very very
anti -intellectual. For the record----alcoholism is
uncommon amongst persons of Italian background.
It is "racism" for me to recognize that fact?

 

[ChrisL]

refusing to accept the fact that people of DIFFERENT CULTURES----are more or less prone to this or that
KIND of criminality is very very naïve and very very
anti -intellectual. For the record----alcoholism is
uncommon amongst persons of Italian background.
It is "racism" for me to recognize that fact?

I get tired of this dishonest game for the sake of sparing feelings. There is a problem and it needs to be addressed, regardless of who's feelings are hurt. People are being killed and tortured around the world in the name of the Muslim religion. If the more mainstream Muslims' feelings are hurt by this FACT, then they need to be angry with the people who are giving their religion a bad name and not those who are acknowledging there is a problem. I know some would try and bring up other religions, but you just don't see the atrocities on the same scope nowadays being carried out by people of other religions. There is only ONE religion that seems to be spreading hate and fear throughout the world.

 

[Indofred]

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Chalk and cheese when you look at the facts, he was placed on the sex offenders list for downloading photographs. He was not part of an organised group who acted because of their culture and religion against 11 year old girls and raped them. If he had ne would have faced a long time in prison on self imposed segregation.

Downloading child porn requires organised rings of people.
I'm guessing, with all the controls against it, kiddie porn is hard work to find, so he must have known where to look; that means someone told him.
Now consider this - if you use images of children being abused for your sexual pleasure, the kid has to be abused in the first place.
In my mind, that makes the user just as guilty as the direct abuser - no excuses.
There is no culture or religion issue here - it's simple bastard or not bastard.

I agree in part, but there is no denying that rape and child marriage are part of the culture. That is a fact.

Rape is not part of the culture, or any reasonable culture, and that crime is punished accordingly.
If these guys were under strict Muslim law, they would be executed (Strict Islamic law has some good points).
As for child marriage, it depends which Muslims you're talking about.
Some have that problem, most have a legal age of consent older than most western countries.
Not all Muslims are the same.

 

[Indofred]

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The Times Link between child porn and Muslim terrorists discovered National Review Online

The Times reveals how pedophile websites are being used to pass information between Islamist terrorists in Britain, Italy and Spain. In one case, 40,000 images of children being forced to perform pornographic acts was found, reports The Times.


The deeper you dig the more damning the evidence against islam and the muslims.

For every story you dig up about Muslims, I'll find you one about a non Muslim doing about the same.
Yes, there are Muslim perverts, as there are Christian perverts, Jewish perverts, agnostic perverts and atheist perverts.
The difference is, I condemn all, not try to blame one group for everything.
That's because I'm not a ******* idiot - how about you?

 

[Indofred]

The forum idiots want us to believe all child sex is down to Muslims.
Perhaps they can comment on these stories.

Silence and self-rule Brooklyn s Orthodox child abuse cover-up World news theguardian.com

When Mordechai discovered his mentally disabled child was being molested, he reported the crime to the police. A local man was arrested and charged with repeatedly raping the boy in their synagogue's ritual bath. When news of the arrest got back to their Brooklyn community, the neighbours launched a hate campaign. But the object of their anger wasn't the alleged perpetrator, Meir Dascalowitz, it was the abused boy's father.

His son was being raped, so the local Jews went for the victim's father, not the rapist.

The Child-Rape Assembly Line VICE United Kingdom

On a visit to Jerusalem in 2005, Rabbi Rosenberg entered into a mikvah in one of the holiest neighborhoods in the city, Mea She’arim. “I opened a door that entered into a schvitz,” he told me. “Vapors everywhere, I can barely see. My eyes adjust, and I see an old man, my age, long white beard, a holy-looking man, sitting in the vapors. On his lap, facing away from him, is a boy, maybe seven years old. And the old man is having anal sex with this boy.”

These guys are ******* little boys, but it's all covered up so Jews aren't blamed.

Former Christian radio host pleads guilty in child rape

A former Grand Rapids Christian radio host pleaded guilty Tuesday to raping an 11-year-old boy in Battle Creek.

U.N. Report Vatican Policies Allowed Priests To Rape Children - NBC News

The United Nations heavily criticized the Vatican on Wednesday for what it said was a systematic adoption of policies allowing priests to rape and sexually abuse tens of thousands of children.

As we see, many people are guilty of these filthy crimes, members of all religions, and no religion.
That in mind, I say this.

THE IDIOTS THAT TRY TO BLAME ONE GROUP FOR ALL ARE IN PART GUILTY OF THE SEX CRIMES, AS THEY COVER UP OTHER GROUPS IN FAVOUR OF HATE AGAINST ONE, THUS ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM.

Frankly, they're disgusting little bastards, not a lot better than the rapists.

 

[Mindful]

Mordechai???

 

[Mindful]

The main issue here is not so much the Muslims, as the authorities dismal failure to deal with it. The perpetrators have not yet been brought to justice, which should now be the main goal, IMO.

I don't care what religious or ethnic group they are.

 

[irosie91]

The forum idiots want us to believe all child sex is down to Muslims.
Perhaps they can comment on these stories.

Silence and self-rule Brooklyn s Orthodox child abuse cover-up World news theguardian.com

When Mordechai discovered his mentally disabled child was being molested, he reported the crime to the police. A local man was arrested and charged with repeatedly raping the boy in their synagogue's ritual bath. When news of the arrest got back to their Brooklyn community, the neighbours launched a hate campaign. But the object of their anger wasn't the alleged perpetrator, Meir Dascalowitz, it was the abused boy's father.

His son was being raped, so the local Jews went for the victim's father, not the rapist.

The Child-Rape Assembly Line VICE United Kingdom

On a visit to Jerusalem in 2005, Rabbi Rosenberg entered into a mikvah in one of the holiest neighborhoods in the city, Mea She’arim. “I opened a door that entered into a schvitz,” he told me. “Vapors everywhere, I can barely see. My eyes adjust, and I see an old man, my age, long white beard, a holy-looking man, sitting in the vapors. On his lap, facing away from him, is a boy, maybe seven years old. And the old man is having anal sex with this boy.”

These guys are ******* little boys, but it's all covered up so Jews aren't blamed.

Former Christian radio host pleads guilty in child rape

A former Grand Rapids Christian radio host pleaded guilty Tuesday to raping an 11-year-old boy in Battle Creek.

U.N. Report Vatican Policies Allowed Priests To Rape Children - NBC News

The United Nations heavily criticized the Vatican on Wednesday for what it said was a systematic adoption of policies allowing priests to rape and sexually abuse tens of thousands of children.

As we see, many people are guilty of these filthy crimes, members of all religions, and no religion.
That in mind, I say this.

THE IDIOTS THAT TRY TO BLAME ONE GROUP FOR ALL ARE IN PART GUILTY OF THE SEX CRIMES, AS THEY COVER UP OTHER GROUPS IN FAVOUR OF HATE AGAINST ONE, THUS ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM.

Frankly, they're disgusting little bastards, not a lot better than the rapists.

Freddie is FRANKLY engaging in his usual PARANOIA
and meccaist lies

 

[Phoenall]

In the UK case, the establishment was almost OCD about political correctness. Did not want go be seen as singling out Muslims for such crimes.

I keep hearing this absurd logic that British authorities were afraid of singling out Muslims. Let me spell it out to you and everyone else who is clutching on to that straw. You do not have to single out Muslims to prosecute the perpetrators. Just prosecute the perpetrators to the fullest extent of law. It has nothing to do with Muslims unless they tried to protect these perpetrators. If you do not want to mention their ethnicity, that is fine too. Just refer to them as British men. Do not tag them as Asians. That is absurd and demonstrates the racism of British media.

Why is it absurd logic? I see members of the British establishment admitting mea culpa on TV every day.

It's called "political correctness." Obviously, a lot of these Muslims are from dirt poor countries where they are uneducated and ignorant. They are left to their own devices mostly, and marry young (VERY YOUNG) girls, in some instances as young as 9 years old. It's a part of their culture and a rotten custom that they have been practicing for CENTURIES. It is just another way to oppress women.

I cannot understand why people would be surprised by this happening. Take a look at Sweden and how much the rape statistics have jumped. They wouldn't admit to it either and instead of blaming the influx of Muslim immigrants from the ME, they say it is due to a "change in society." They let uneducated violent savages into their country, and now their girls are paying the price.

A lot of those Muslims are British born and bred. From large Pakistani communities in the North of England. Many of the children did report those awful violations, but no one did anything about it.

There doesn't seem to be these problems amongst the British Indian communities.

Get it right they are Pakistani born and bred and only use Britain for a passport and welfare. They stick to their own communities and refuse point blank to integrate into British society. They have their own little ghetto's in all the towns and cities they infest that have become no go areas over the last 15 years. They are criminal overlords and bring in illegal drugs from Pakistan because they know they wont be searched. They are the pimps that sell white meat on the streets and see it as their right to do so. They have been protected by the neo Marxist labour party who threatened the indigenous with arrest, prison and taking the rest of their children away from them, done with the complete support of police forces all over the country and council social services departments.

As you say there is no problems with the other Asian communities from India, China etc. it is all the Islamic nations from Asia that are at the heart of the problem. It is all about culture and religion, and what they are taught by their parents and religious teachers. Child rape is a part of the Islamic culture as shown by the numbers of clerics and imams found guilty over the years, and these are just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to how widespread it really is.

 

[irosie91]

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Chalk and cheese when you look at the facts, he was placed on the sex offenders list for downloading photographs. He was not part of an organised group who acted because of their culture and religion against 11 year old girls and raped them. If he had ne would have faced a long time in prison on self imposed segregation.

Downloading child porn requires organised rings of people.
I'm guessing, with all the controls against it, kiddie porn is hard work to find, so he must have known where to look; that means someone told him.
Now consider this - if you use images of children being abused for your sexual pleasure, the kid has to be abused in the first place.
In my mind, that makes the user just as guilty as the direct abuser - no excuses.
There is no culture or religion issue here - it's simple bastard or not bastard.

I agree in part, but there is no denying that rape and child marriage are part of the culture. That is a fact.

Rape is not part of the culture, or any reasonable culture, and that crime is punished accordingly.
If these guys were under strict Muslim law, they would be executed (Strict Islamic law has some good points).
As for child marriage, it depends which Muslims you're talking about.
Some have that problem, most have a legal age of consent older than most western countries.
Not all Muslims are the same.

Freddie lied again. under strict Islamic law----a MUSLIM
cannot be executed for the rape of a non muslim ----in fact
under strict MUSLIM LAW---a muslim cannot even be executed for murder of a non muslim. In order for Pakistan
to get a DEATH PENALTY on the murderers of daniel pearl---Musharraf had to convene a special british style court-----a
shariah court could not find them guilty of a capital crime and----likely would have acquitted them. There is NOTHING good about shariah law

 

[Indofred]

THE IDIOTS THAT TRY TO BLAME ONE GROUP FOR ALL ARE IN PART GUILTY OF THE SEX CRIMES, AS THEY COVER UP OTHER GROUPS IN FAVOUR OF HATE AGAINST ONE, THUS ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM.

Frankly, they're disgusting little bastards, not a lot better than the rapists.

Freddie is FRANKLY engaging in his usual PARANOIA
and meccaist lies

See what I mean, this disgusting cow care not a jot for the kids, just wanting to blame Muslims for everything.
The filthy, no, evil dog is, in my opinion, almost as bad as the perverts because she tries to cover up the actions of so many in her idiotic attempt to blame one group.
This moron is about as guilty as the left wing pillocks in Rotherham who tried to hide the crimes; only she tries to hide all non Muslim crimes.
What a ******* idiot.

 

[Phoenall]

Why is it absurd logic? I see members of the British establishment admitting mea culpa on TV every day.

The whole thing is bizarre.

Only because the muslims are no longer protected by Political Correctness and neo Marxism and now have to face the British justice system

 

[Phoenall]

The main issue here is not so much the Muslims, as the authorities dismal failure to deal with it. The perpetrators have not yet been brought to justice, which should now be the main goal, IMO.

I don't care what religious or ethnic group they are.

Yes and we should start with the upper echelons of the Labour party who were in power at the time. Start with Blair and Brown who were involved at the highest level and come down to the local councillors who feathered their own nests. One to single out is George Galloway who converted to islam while still a labour M.P.

 

[Phoenall]

The forum idiots want us to believe all child sex is down to Muslims.
Perhaps they can comment on these stories.

Silence and self-rule Brooklyn s Orthodox child abuse cover-up World news theguardian.com

When Mordechai discovered his mentally disabled child was being molested, he reported the crime to the police. A local man was arrested and charged with repeatedly raping the boy in their synagogue's ritual bath. When news of the arrest got back to their Brooklyn community, the neighbours launched a hate campaign. But the object of their anger wasn't the alleged perpetrator, Meir Dascalowitz, it was the abused boy's father.

His son was being raped, so the local Jews went for the victim's father, not the rapist.

The Child-Rape Assembly Line VICE United Kingdom

On a visit to Jerusalem in 2005, Rabbi Rosenberg entered into a mikvah in one of the holiest neighborhoods in the city, Mea She’arim. “I opened a door that entered into a schvitz,” he told me. “Vapors everywhere, I can barely see. My eyes adjust, and I see an old man, my age, long white beard, a holy-looking man, sitting in the vapors. On his lap, facing away from him, is a boy, maybe seven years old. And the old man is having anal sex with this boy.”

These guys are ******* little boys, but it's all covered up so Jews aren't blamed.

Former Christian radio host pleads guilty in child rape

A former Grand Rapids Christian radio host pleaded guilty Tuesday to raping an 11-year-old boy in Battle Creek.

U.N. Report Vatican Policies Allowed Priests To Rape Children - NBC News

The United Nations heavily criticized the Vatican on Wednesday for what it said was a systematic adoption of policies allowing priests to rape and sexually abuse tens of thousands of children.

As we see, many people are guilty of these filthy crimes, members of all religions, and no religion.
That in mind, I say this.

THE IDIOTS THAT TRY TO BLAME ONE GROUP FOR ALL ARE IN PART GUILTY OF THE SEX CRIMES, AS THEY COVER UP OTHER GROUPS IN FAVOUR OF HATE AGAINST ONE, THUS ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM.

Frankly, they're disgusting little bastards, not a lot better than the rapists.

Freddie is FRANKLY engaging in his usual PARANOIA
and meccaist lies

I take it he has not seen the many posts on the British boards by Nationalists that have outed the likes of Saville, DLT, Harris and others. So not just muslims as they would see, but when the incidence of muslim child rape is so much higher than that of all the other groups combined then there is a major problem with Islamic terrorist child rape. A 12 year old girl was 20 times more likely to be raped by a muslim adult man in the Industrial north than to be abused by an indigenous adult man.