U.S. Planning to Sink Russia's Black Sea Fleet.

[Confederate Soldier]

Except there’s a huge difference between us. I’m for peace and you’re a raving manic warmonger who’s learned nothing from history.

Plus I’m intelligent and you aren’t.

I mean who thinks there is nothing to fear in a nuclear war with Russia? Only a whacko thinks this.

I am for Peace through Strength. That includes mental strength, fearlessness, boldness, and the "**** You" attitude that Americans are supposed to have.


You go back to smoking weed, free love, and whatever anti-war hippies like you do all day. Meanwhile, I'll be watching what happens over in Europe.

 

[Batcat]

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Whatever, hippie.

I am not for nuclear disarmament nor am I a hippIe.

I just happen to realize that an all out nuclear war will not have any winners. Our nuclear weapons were not ever supposed to be used. They were designed to be a deterrent.

Nuclear Deterrence - All you need to know - Politics.co.uk

An overview of the concept of nuclear deterrence, its history in the UK, and the arguments made for and against retaining nuclear warheads.

www.politics.co.uk

NATO’s nuclear deterrence policy and forces

Nuclear weapons are a core component of NATO’s overall capabilities for deterrence and defence, alongside conventional and missile defence forces. NATO is committed to arms control, disarmament and non-proliferation, but as long as nuclear weapons exist, it will remain a nuclear alliance.

www.nato.int

How the nuclear arsenals of the UK, US, Russia and the rest of the world compare

Why has President Putin put Russia's nuclear deterrence forces on high alert?

inews.co.uk

 

[BackAgain]

Yeah. I kinda doubt that the US is currently planning to sink any part of the Russian navy (except in a variety of war/gaming scenarios and contingency planning).

 

[gipper]

I am for Peace through Strength. That includes mental strength, fearlessness, boldness, and the "**** You" attitude that Americans are supposed to have.


You go back to smoking weed, free love, and whatever anti-war hippies like you do all day. Meanwhile, I'll be watching what happens over in Europe.

You best stick to watching porn.

 

[Confederate Soldier]

You best stick to watching porn.

Actually, combat footage is my thing.

 

[para bellum]

I mean who thinks there is nothing to fear in a nuclear war with Russia? Only a whacko thinks this.

From where I sit, the whackos are the ones who get spun up on Russian propaganda psyop bullshit.

There is absolutely nothing about Ukraine that comes anywhere near approaching a nuclear threshold.

You people act like Russian nuclear forces exist in a black box.

 

[gipper]

From where I sit, the whackos are the ones who get spun up on Russian propaganda psyop bullshit.

There is absolutely nothing about Ukraine that comes anywhere near approaching a nuclear threshold.

You people act like Russian nuclear forces exist in a black box.

Only statist dupes think Americans are subject to Russian propaganda. These same dupes are completely propagandized by USG propaganda. These same dupes have zero knowledge of history, as they are entirely unaware wars can quickly escalate due to misunderstandings, provocations, and false flags.

 

[para bellum]

Only statist dupes think Americans are subject to Russian propaganda.

Are you an American or just posing as one?

Because your argument boiled down, is that Putin is not a rational actor.

 

[para bellum]

I just happen to realize that an all out nuclear war will not have any winners. Our nuclear weapons were not ever supposed to be used. They were designed to be a deterrent.

And the same applies to Russia, and China, and the UK, and France.

Using nukes eliminates their only useful purpose. If a P5 State nukes a non-nuclear state, the NPT is dead and we enter a new era of nuclear proliferation.

Russia's interest is maintaining the nuclear status quo, not overturning it.

The nuclear sabre rattling is a transparent psyop, intended to weaken support for Ukraine in the West, and reassure the Russian population that Russia is still invincible.

Whoever promotes this narrative is aiding and abetting Putin's illegal invasion of Ukraine and the war crimes the RF are committing on a daily basis there.

 

[para bellum]

The West should actually honor an agreement for a change.

We spent 2 decades disarming Ukraine- not just of nukes, but of millions of tons of Soviet stockpiles, fighter jets, bombers, cruise missiles, etc. It was all either destroyed or transferred to Russia, at our insistence, and significant expense.

They agreed to this because we provided assurances- we need to honor those assurances.

 

[gipper]

Are you an American or just posing as one?

Because your argument boiled down, is that Putin is not a rational actor.

You don’t know me, but I‘ve posted here for over 11 years. Your question is typical of a statist dupe.

Please explain how my argument boils down to Putin isn’t rational?

 

[para bellum]

Please explain how my argument boils down to Putin isn’t rational?

I realize 50 minutes is a major commitment for you, but you can watch Perun's video which I posted on the previous page if you want an answer to your question.

 

[gipper]

I realize 50 minutes is a major commitment for you, but you can watch Perun's video which I posted on the previous page if you want an answer to your question.

No thanks. Can you please summarize in a few sentences how my argument boils down to Putin isn’t rational? Particularly since I’ve not mentioned Putin and couldn’t less about him.

 

[Vastator]

Oh Really?


So Russia wants to mess with the United States, the U.K., Canada, France, Germany, Norway, Poland, Italy, and a smattering of other nations, and now potentially Sweden and Finland? Sounds like a great strategy to me. Each nation armed to the teeth in expectation of a Russian attack, each nation exercising with each other for decades, and now united against a Russian aggressor? I like our odds a lot better than Russian odds.

Europes militaries are a joke. And NATO itself isn’t much aside from US contributions. We’ll see how committed NATO is to article 5 about the time Moscow tires of NATOs meddling, and acts on a member state, (with provocation) and invites a full scale assault on their own country while NATO deliberates on how to respond…

 

[Vastator]

I am for Peace through Strength. That includes mental strength, fearlessness, boldness, and the "**** You" attitude that Americans are supposed to have.


You go back to smoking weed, free love, and whatever anti-war hippies like you do all day. Meanwhile, I'll be watching what happens over in Europe.

This intense focus on Europe, namely Ukraine; doesn’t really smack of this “**** you” attitude” you seem to admire. Sounds more like someone spoiling for a fight, that is none of their business, and endangers those around them…

Oh! Now I see who the “**** you”attitude is directed at. American citizens, and military. Took me a minute…

 

[Confederate Soldier]

Europes militaries are a joke. And NATO itself isn’t much aside from US contributions. We’ll see how committed NATO is to article 5 about the time Moscow tires of NATOs meddling, and acts on a member state, (with provocation) and invites a full scale assault on their own country while NATO deliberates on how to respond…

And the world thought Russia could take Ukraine in a week, and yet here we are. Keep underestimating NATO and overestimating Russia.

 

[Donald H]

Why do even bother with antiwar dot com? You think they access to Pentagon planning and priorities? Have ANY objectivity about US involvement? Why bother us with this stuff?

Antiwar.com gathers news from all over the world, as well as having some of their own staff writers. You or anyone can access those views through that site and evaluate them for their credibility.

Of course they publish an antiwar slant on the news while being a bit slanted to the right in my opinion. Check them out today and tell me what you find objectionable.

 

[Vastator]

And the world thought Russia could take Ukraine in a week, and yet here we are. Keep underestimating NATO and overestimating Russia.

Yup. And the world was wrong about Russia. Not exactly a confidence builder, that has any sane person pining for more opinion regarding Russias intent, or capability. “Look how wrong our assumptions were! Let’s escalate shit with these guys”! Derp, derp…

 

[Donald H]

Probably shouldn't post this here since it's rational, but...

Now that has to be obvious 'confidence' instilling propaganda!

Everybody should be questioning why they feel it's necessary!

Biden is just reading what the Globalists hand him. They want WWIII to reduce the human population

That doesn't make much sense, but of course it's not meant to do anything other than disrupt the rational part of the conversation.

 

[Donald H]

Maybe, not enough credibility in the post to deserve a serious answer. Here it is. Russia's imperialism is making a show in Ukraine and Donald H, the canuck duck, is trying to sway public opinion in Russia's favor. Have another XXX duck.

I've hardly participated in the 22 pages so far. Americans are displaying their thoughts on the war and that was my goal.