U.S. colleges scramble after new Trump order on foreign students

[Coyote]

And another EO, that makes no sense. Is it because Trump is impotent to affect the opening of public schools under local control? Wants to destroy higher education? Is pissed at Harvard? This new order contradicts previous policy regarding Covid....what a mess.

https://www.usnews.com/news/top-news/articles/2020-07-07/us-colleges-scramble-after-new-trump-order-on-foreign-students

Many U.S. colleges were scrambling on Tuesday to modify plans for the fall semester in the midst of the coronavirus pandemic a day after the Trump administration issued an order that could force tens of thousands of foreign students to leave the country if their schools hold all classes online.
The announcement blindsided academic institutions grappling with the logistical challenges of safely resuming classes, particularly after the federal government had granted exceptions to the rules limiting online learning for foreign students when colleges and universities in March rushed to shutter campuses and move to online classes as the pandemic forced lockdowns.

There are more than a million foreign students at U.S. colleges and universities, and many schools depend on revenue from foreign students, who often pay full tuition.
The U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agency said institutions moving entirely to online learning must submit plans to the agency by July 15. Schools that will use only in-person learning, shortened or delayed classes, or a blend of in-person and online learning must submit plans by Aug. 1.

Frankly, I don't much care about this one.

Won't there be more seats in those universities for American kids, if we chase some of the foreign kids back home?

Doubtful. A lot of schools are willing to take an unlimited number of qualified students.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Everything Trump touches turns to shit. We have three years of evidence of this as President, and decades as a businessman in NYC to further validate this, but his cult remains oblivious, wearing blinders to his history of ineptitude. You knew he would target education with his choice of DeVoss, and now he is going after how these colleges are profitable.

Trump University anyone?

Yes, everything Trump touches turns to shit. Our economy turned to shit before the worldwide virus, our record low unemployment for every minority group in the US turned to shit before the virus, our border turned to shit and still is, our consumer confidence in June turned to shit, our stock market turned to shit in spite of a pandemic never seen before by most any living human on the planet, and our trade agreements turned to shit.

Let's all hope and pray for more shit in our future.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

You are all missing the main point. A huge point. Trump had nothing to do with these schools going to all online classes. They did that all on their own. Since they will not be attending physical classes there is no need for them to be physically present.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

And another EO, that makes no sense. Is it because Trump is impotent to affect the opening of public schools under local control? Wants to destroy higher education? Is pissed at Harvard? This new order contradicts previous policy regarding Covid....what a mess.

https://www.usnews.com/news/top-news/articles/2020-07-07/us-colleges-scramble-after-new-trump-order-on-foreign-students

Many U.S. colleges were scrambling on Tuesday to modify plans for the fall semester in the midst of the coronavirus pandemic a day after the Trump administration issued an order that could force tens of thousands of foreign students to leave the country if their schools hold all classes online.
The announcement blindsided academic institutions grappling with the logistical challenges of safely resuming classes, particularly after the federal government had granted exceptions to the rules limiting online learning for foreign students when colleges and universities in March rushed to shutter campuses and move to online classes as the pandemic forced lockdowns.

There are more than a million foreign students at U.S. colleges and universities, and many schools depend on revenue from foreign students, who often pay full tuition.
The U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agency said institutions moving entirely to online learning must submit plans to the agency by July 15. Schools that will use only in-person learning, shortened or delayed classes, or a blend of in-person and online learning must submit plans by Aug. 1.

Frankly, I don't much care about this one.

Won't there be more seats in those universities for American kids, if we chase some of the foreign kids back home?

Doubtful. A lot of schools are willing to take an unlimited number of qualified students.

Seats are not a consideration. The classes are on line a school can handle many more students if they are not limited by classroom size and number of seats.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

There are millions of foreign students. So let me stick it to your thick skull and the rest of you.

1. Billions of $ are already lost from Trump stupidity even before the Covid-19.
2. Billions $!more will be lost by deporting these foreign students.
3. These students pay premiums on rents of apartments or condos.
4. They spent $ billions on clothings, shoes, iPhones, WiFi, furnitures, entertainments and foods.

All of those will be a lost of American incomes.

Oh really......well if that's the case, why don't we let the entire Fn world into the United States? If a few million foreigners can do that, imagine what 7.3 billion people could do with our economy!

Then you wonder why we absolutely need to keep people with your mentality out of power.

Talk a massive and unstable strawman.

How so? The straw man is on your side, not ours.

This is such a reoccurring leftist argument it's almost laughable.

When we talk about how many people are on welfare, the left tells us they are benefitting our economy, as if they would otherwise not eat or buy things without it. When we object to increased national minimum wage, the left tells us how many people will get off of welfare. When we talk about the illegal immigrants, the left tells us how they participate in our economy instead of what it actually costs us taxpayers to have them here. Now we are talking about sending foreigners back home because there is no need for them to be here since they are not physically attending schools--which is why they are granted Visa's in the fist place, and again, how much we will suffer economically without them.

It's really a joke already to us on the right, because every single leftist position, you find some way to lie how it's to our economical benefit.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

You are all missing the main point. A huge point. Trump had nothing to do with these schools going to all online classes. They did that all on their own. Since they will not be attending physical classes there is no need for them to be physically present.

I think the bigger point is through all of this Chinese Kung Flu lock down crap colleges have let the cat out of the bag. They can offer you classes online. You don’t need to be there absorbing a full semester of their bullshit to learn what you’re after. You also can’t sell people on needing dark ages lesbian theory in basket weaving for trans knights as an actual class you have to take to graduate.

You can get a full Harvard education online and it’s worth about a thousand bucks a semester.

 

[Coyote]

There are millions of foreign students. So let me stick it to your thick skull and the rest of you.

1. Billions of $ are already lost from Trump stupidity even before the Covid-19.
2. Billions $!more will be lost by deporting these foreign students.
3. These students pay premiums on rents of apartments or condos.
4. They spent $ billions on clothings, shoes, iPhones, WiFi, furnitures, entertainments and foods.

All of those will be a lost of American incomes.

Oh really......well if that's the case, why don't we let the entire Fn world into the United States? If a few million foreigners can do that, imagine what 7.3 billion people could do with our economy!

Then you wonder why we absolutely need to keep people with your mentality out of power.

Talk a massive and unstable strawman.

How so? The straw man is on your side, not ours.

This is such a reoccurring leftist argument it's almost laughable.

When we talk about how many people are on welfare, the left tells us they are benefitting our economy, as if they would otherwise not eat or buy things without it. When we object to increased national minimum wage, the left tells us how many people will get off of welfare. When we talk about the illegal immigrants, the left tells us how they participate in our economy instead of what it actually costs us taxpayers to have them here. Now we are talking about sending foreigners back home because there is no need for them to be here since they are not physically attending schools--which is why they are granted Visa's in the fist place, and again, how much we will suffer economically without them.

It's really a joke already to us on the right, because every single leftist position, you find some way to lie how it's to our economical benefit.

No, it is your strawman. What does that have to do with foreign students coming here and paying us for an education?

Strawman.

 

[Coyote]

You are all missing the main point. A huge point. Trump had nothing to do with these schools going to all online classes. They did that all on their own. Since they will not be attending physical classes there is no need for them to be physically present.

I think the bigger point is through all of this Chinese Kung Flu lock down crap colleges have let the cat out of the bag. They can offer you classes online. You don’t need to be there absorbing a full semester of their bullshit to learn what you’re after. You also can’t sell people on needing dark ages lesbian theory in basket weaving for trans knights as an actual class you have to take to graduate.

You can get a full Harvard education online and it’s worth about a thousand bucks a semester.

Not entirely true, or they would. Not all classes translate well on line, there is also a lot to be said for The entire college experience, developing independence, student peer interactions as well as in person faculty/student interactions. Otherwise they would do it.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

You are all missing the main point. A huge point. Trump had nothing to do with these schools going to all online classes. They did that all on their own. Since they will not be attending physical classes there is no need for them to be physically present.

I think the bigger point is through all of this Chinese Kung Flu lock down crap colleges have let the cat out of the bag. They can offer you classes online. You don’t need to be there absorbing a full semester of their bullshit to learn what you’re after. You also can’t sell people on needing dark ages lesbian theory in basket weaving for trans knights as an actual class you have to take to graduate.

You can get a full Harvard education online and it’s worth about a thousand bucks a semester.

Not entirely true, or they would. Not all classes translate well on line, there is also a lot to be said for The entire college experience, developing independence, student peer interactions as well as in person faculty/student interactions. Otherwise they would do it.

Colleges don’t teach independence are you kidding me? They teach how to live off mommy and daddy and stupid loans you’ll be saddled with forever. They teach you someone else should be paying for your misguided choice of major.

Where the hell is the independence in that?

 

[skye]

GOD I love President Trump!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He's got it.

If it is online.....you can go to your countries and learn online there!

LOVE TRUMP!

 

[Coyote]

GOD I love President Trump!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He's got it.

If it is online.....you can go to your countries and learn online there!

LOVE TRUMP!

Assuming you have decent internet.

 

[skye]

GOD I love President Trump!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He's got it.

If it is online.....you can go to your countries and learn online there!

LOVE TRUMP!

Assuming you have decent internet.

huh? why do you say that?????

weird

 

[Coyote]

GOD I love President Trump!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He's got it.

If it is online.....you can go to your countries and learn online there!

LOVE TRUMP!

Assuming you have decent internet.

huh? why do you say that?????

weird

If a student is from a country without decent internet, how will they do online courses from their home country?

 

[skye]

GOD I love President Trump!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He's got it.

If it is online.....you can go to your countries and learn online there!

LOVE TRUMP!

Assuming you have decent internet.

huh? why do you say that?????

weird

If a student is from a country without decent internet, how will they do online courses from their home country?

then go home.

because there are not "living" classes anyway

 

[Coyote]

GOD I love President Trump!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He's got it.

If it is online.....you can go to your countries and learn online there!

LOVE TRUMP!

Assuming you have decent internet.

huh? why do you say that?????

weird

If a student is from a country without decent internet, how will they do online courses from their home country?

then go home.

because there are not "living" classes anyway

huh? Why do they have to be living classes during the temporary disruption caused by the pandemic?

 

[Mac-7]

China was pouring millions of dollars into US universities

Thats exactly the reason to send the chinese students home

the lib professors are such greedy whores that china buys a lot of influence with that money

and as a foreigner this is your last post from me on a topic that is none of your business

but if you really want to make yourself useful see if the chinese are not doing the same thing in canada

 

[Mac-7]

If a student is from a country without decent internet, how will they do online courses from their home country?

Thats not our problem

 

[Unkotare]

And another EO, that makes no sense. Is it because Trump is impotent to affect the opening of public schools under local control? Wants to destroy higher education? Is pissed at Harvard? This new order contradicts previous policy regarding Covid....what a mess.

https://www.usnews.com/news/top-news/articles/2020-07-07/us-colleges-scramble-after-new-trump-order-on-foreign-students

Many U.S. colleges were scrambling on Tuesday to modify plans for the fall semester in the midst of the coronavirus pandemic a day after the Trump administration issued an order that could force tens of thousands of foreign students to leave the country if their schools hold all classes online.
The announcement blindsided academic institutions grappling with the logistical challenges of safely resuming classes, particularly after the federal government had granted exceptions to the rules limiting online learning for foreign students when colleges and universities in March rushed to shutter campuses and move to online classes as the pandemic forced lockdowns.

There are more than a million foreign students at U.S. colleges and universities, and many schools depend on revenue from foreign students, who often pay full tuition.
The U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agency said institutions moving entirely to online learning must submit plans to the agency by July 15. Schools that will use only in-person learning, shortened or delayed classes, or a blend of in-person and online learning must submit plans by Aug. 1.

Can't they do them online in their own country?


I don't see a problem here, now no need for them to live in the USA.

They may not even have adequate Internet access in their "own country".

Who gives a shit? I know I don't.

Go have a few more Bud Lights.

Light beer is for pussies.

Exactly.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

You are all missing the main point. A huge point. Trump had nothing to do with these schools going to all online classes. They did that all on their own. Since they will not be attending physical classes there is no need for them to be physically present.

I think the bigger point is through all of this Chinese Kung Flu lock down crap colleges have let the cat out of the bag. They can offer you classes online. You don’t need to be there absorbing a full semester of their bullshit to learn what you’re after. You also can’t sell people on needing dark ages lesbian theory in basket weaving for trans knights as an actual class you have to take to graduate.

You can get a full Harvard education online and it’s worth about a thousand bucks a semester.

Not entirely true, or they would. Not all classes translate well on line, there is also a lot to be said for The entire college experience, developing independence, student peer interactions as well as in person faculty/student interactions. Otherwise they would do it.

Yes. I agree that there is something better about the college experience, but it is now gone. Classes are online. It is over. Higher ed just got flushed by a virus.

It will never be the same.

 

[Theowl32]

Families, businesses, governors, mayors, school or college administrators, taking "the hoax" seriously, all conspire to undermine Trump's efforts to expose the hoax as a hoax. Small wonder the overgrown baby is throwing another tantrum - any efforts to contain the virus ... er, the hoax expose the crybaby as callous and incompetent, with a direct impact on his reelection.

Who claimed the china disease was a hoax? You are all ignorant pathetic puppets of global marxists and liars.