U.S. colleges scramble after new Trump order on foreign students

[Toddsterpatriot]

And another EO, that makes no sense. Is it because Trump is impotent to affect the opening of public schools under local control? Wants to destroy higher education? Is pissed at Harvard? This new order contradicts previous policy regarding Covid....what a mess.

https://www.usnews.com/news/top-news/articles/2020-07-07/us-colleges-scramble-after-new-trump-order-on-foreign-students

Many U.S. colleges were scrambling on Tuesday to modify plans for the fall semester in the midst of the coronavirus pandemic a day after the Trump administration issued an order that could force tens of thousands of foreign students to leave the country if their schools hold all classes online.
The announcement blindsided academic institutions grappling with the logistical challenges of safely resuming classes, particularly after the federal government had granted exceptions to the rules limiting online learning for foreign students when colleges and universities in March rushed to shutter campuses and move to online classes as the pandemic forced lockdowns.

There are more than a million foreign students at U.S. colleges and universities, and many schools depend on revenue from foreign students, who often pay full tuition.
The U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agency said institutions moving entirely to online learning must submit plans to the agency by July 15. Schools that will use only in-person learning, shortened or delayed classes, or a blend of in-person and online learning must submit plans by Aug. 1.

Can't they do them online in their own country?


I don't see a problem here, now no need for them to live in the USA.

They may not even have adequate Internet access in their "own country".

And?

And? How could they be "online" without adequate Internet access?

If they can afford Harvard tuition, they can scrape together internet access.

 

[Flash]

And another EO, that makes no sense. Is it because Trump is impotent to affect the opening of public schools under local control? Wants to destroy higher education? Is pissed at Harvard? This new order contradicts previous policy regarding Covid....what a mess.

https://www.usnews.com/news/top-news/articles/2020-07-07/us-colleges-scramble-after-new-trump-order-on-foreign-students

Many U.S. colleges were scrambling on Tuesday to modify plans for the fall semester in the midst of the coronavirus pandemic a day after the Trump administration issued an order that could force tens of thousands of foreign students to leave the country if their schools hold all classes online.
The announcement blindsided academic institutions grappling with the logistical challenges of safely resuming classes, particularly after the federal government had granted exceptions to the rules limiting online learning for foreign students when colleges and universities in March rushed to shutter campuses and move to online classes as the pandemic forced lockdowns.

There are more than a million foreign students at U.S. colleges and universities, and many schools depend on revenue from foreign students, who often pay full tuition.
The U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agency said institutions moving entirely to online learning must submit plans to the agency by July 15. Schools that will use only in-person learning, shortened or delayed classes, or a blend of in-person and online learning must submit plans by Aug. 1.

Can't they do them online in their own country?


I don't see a problem here, now no need for them to live in the USA.

They may not even have adequate Internet access in their "own country".

Who gives a shit? I know I don't.

Go have a few more Bud Lights.

Light beer is for pussies.

And those not interested in the extra calories.

If you have a good metabolism and don't sit in your mother's basement all day long in your red flannel pajamas playing vido games you can enjoy a real beer and not put on weight.

 

[Lakhota]

And another EO, that makes no sense. Is it because Trump is impotent to affect the opening of public schools under local control? Wants to destroy higher education? Is pissed at Harvard? This new order contradicts previous policy regarding Covid....what a mess.

https://www.usnews.com/news/top-news/articles/2020-07-07/us-colleges-scramble-after-new-trump-order-on-foreign-students

Many U.S. colleges were scrambling on Tuesday to modify plans for the fall semester in the midst of the coronavirus pandemic a day after the Trump administration issued an order that could force tens of thousands of foreign students to leave the country if their schools hold all classes online.
The announcement blindsided academic institutions grappling with the logistical challenges of safely resuming classes, particularly after the federal government had granted exceptions to the rules limiting online learning for foreign students when colleges and universities in March rushed to shutter campuses and move to online classes as the pandemic forced lockdowns.

There are more than a million foreign students at U.S. colleges and universities, and many schools depend on revenue from foreign students, who often pay full tuition.
The U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agency said institutions moving entirely to online learning must submit plans to the agency by July 15. Schools that will use only in-person learning, shortened or delayed classes, or a blend of in-person and online learning must submit plans by Aug. 1.

Can't they do them online in their own country?


I don't see a problem here, now no need for them to live in the USA.

They may not even have adequate Internet access in their "own country".

And?

And? How could they be "online" without adequate Internet access?

So the closest place they can get adequate internet access is the USA?

What happened to all those great countries we keep hearing about from the left?




Now they don't have internet

Who said they don't?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

And another EO, that makes no sense. Is it because Trump is impotent to affect the opening of public schools under local control? Wants to destroy higher education? Is pissed at Harvard? This new order contradicts previous policy regarding Covid....what a mess.

https://www.usnews.com/news/top-news/articles/2020-07-07/us-colleges-scramble-after-new-trump-order-on-foreign-students

Many U.S. colleges were scrambling on Tuesday to modify plans for the fall semester in the midst of the coronavirus pandemic a day after the Trump administration issued an order that could force tens of thousands of foreign students to leave the country if their schools hold all classes online.
The announcement blindsided academic institutions grappling with the logistical challenges of safely resuming classes, particularly after the federal government had granted exceptions to the rules limiting online learning for foreign students when colleges and universities in March rushed to shutter campuses and move to online classes as the pandemic forced lockdowns.

There are more than a million foreign students at U.S. colleges and universities, and many schools depend on revenue from foreign students, who often pay full tuition.
The U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agency said institutions moving entirely to online learning must submit plans to the agency by July 15. Schools that will use only in-person learning, shortened or delayed classes, or a blend of in-person and online learning must submit plans by Aug. 1.

Can't they do them online in their own country?


I don't see a problem here, now no need for them to live in the USA.

They may not even have adequate Internet access in their "own country".

And?

And? How could they be "online" without adequate Internet access?

So the closest place they can get adequate internet access is the USA?

What happened to all those great countries we keep hearing about from the left?




Now they don't have internet

They can't afford it. They have socialized healthcare so they're being taxed out the ass.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

And another EO, that makes no sense. Is it because Trump is impotent to affect the opening of public schools under local control? Wants to destroy higher education? Is pissed at Harvard? This new order contradicts previous policy regarding Covid....what a mess.

https://www.usnews.com/news/top-news/articles/2020-07-07/us-colleges-scramble-after-new-trump-order-on-foreign-students

Many U.S. colleges were scrambling on Tuesday to modify plans for the fall semester in the midst of the coronavirus pandemic a day after the Trump administration issued an order that could force tens of thousands of foreign students to leave the country if their schools hold all classes online.
The announcement blindsided academic institutions grappling with the logistical challenges of safely resuming classes, particularly after the federal government had granted exceptions to the rules limiting online learning for foreign students when colleges and universities in March rushed to shutter campuses and move to online classes as the pandemic forced lockdowns.

There are more than a million foreign students at U.S. colleges and universities, and many schools depend on revenue from foreign students, who often pay full tuition.
The U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agency said institutions moving entirely to online learning must submit plans to the agency by July 15. Schools that will use only in-person learning, shortened or delayed classes, or a blend of in-person and online learning must submit plans by Aug. 1.

Can't they do them online in their own country?


I don't see a problem here, now no need for them to live in the USA.

They may not even have adequate Internet access in their "own country".

And?

And? How could they be "online" without adequate Internet access?

You do know that we have no obligation to educate the people of any other country. Their internet access, like a primary education that would qualify for entry and payment of tuition is their problem.

 

[Wyatt earp]

And another EO, that makes no sense. Is it because Trump is impotent to affect the opening of public schools under local control? Wants to destroy higher education? Is pissed at Harvard? This new order contradicts previous policy regarding Covid....what a mess.

https://www.usnews.com/news/top-news/articles/2020-07-07/us-colleges-scramble-after-new-trump-order-on-foreign-students

Many U.S. colleges were scrambling on Tuesday to modify plans for the fall semester in the midst of the coronavirus pandemic a day after the Trump administration issued an order that could force tens of thousands of foreign students to leave the country if their schools hold all classes online.
The announcement blindsided academic institutions grappling with the logistical challenges of safely resuming classes, particularly after the federal government had granted exceptions to the rules limiting online learning for foreign students when colleges and universities in March rushed to shutter campuses and move to online classes as the pandemic forced lockdowns.

There are more than a million foreign students at U.S. colleges and universities, and many schools depend on revenue from foreign students, who often pay full tuition.
The U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agency said institutions moving entirely to online learning must submit plans to the agency by July 15. Schools that will use only in-person learning, shortened or delayed classes, or a blend of in-person and online learning must submit plans by Aug. 1.

Can't they do them online in their own country?


I don't see a problem here, now no need for them to live in the USA.

They may not even have adequate Internet access in their "own country".

And?

And? How could they be "online" without adequate Internet access?

So the closest place they can get adequate internet access is the USA?

What happened to all those great countries we keep hearing about from the left?




Now they don't have internet

Who said they don't?

Then tell them to go home.

 

[Billiejeens]

And another EO, that makes no sense. Is it because Trump is impotent to affect the opening of public schools under local control? Wants to destroy higher education? Is pissed at Harvard? This new order contradicts previous policy regarding Covid....what a mess.

https://www.usnews.com/news/top-news/articles/2020-07-07/us-colleges-scramble-after-new-trump-order-on-foreign-students

Many U.S. colleges were scrambling on Tuesday to modify plans for the fall semester in the midst of the coronavirus pandemic a day after the Trump administration issued an order that could force tens of thousands of foreign students to leave the country if their schools hold all classes online.
The announcement blindsided academic institutions grappling with the logistical challenges of safely resuming classes, particularly after the federal government had granted exceptions to the rules limiting online learning for foreign students when colleges and universities in March rushed to shutter campuses and move to online classes as the pandemic forced lockdowns.

There are more than a million foreign students at U.S. colleges and universities, and many schools depend on revenue from foreign students, who often pay full tuition.
The U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agency said institutions moving entirely to online learning must submit plans to the agency by July 15. Schools that will use only in-person learning, shortened or delayed classes, or a blend of in-person and online learning must submit plans by Aug. 1.

Can't they do them online in their own country?


I don't see a problem here, now no need for them to live in the USA.

They may not even have adequate Internet access in their "own country".

And?

And? How could they be "online" without adequate Internet access?

So the closest place they can get adequate internet access is the USA?

What happened to all those great countries we keep hearing about from the left?




Now they don't have internet

Who said they don't?

You.

 

[pknopp]

And another EO, that makes no sense. Is it because Trump is impotent to affect the opening of public schools under local control? Wants to destroy higher education? Is pissed at Harvard? This new order contradicts previous policy regarding Covid....what a mess.

https://www.usnews.com/news/top-news/articles/2020-07-07/us-colleges-scramble-after-new-trump-order-on-foreign-students

Many U.S. colleges were scrambling on Tuesday to modify plans for the fall semester in the midst of the coronavirus pandemic a day after the Trump administration issued an order that could force tens of thousands of foreign students to leave the country if their schools hold all classes online.
The announcement blindsided academic institutions grappling with the logistical challenges of safely resuming classes, particularly after the federal government had granted exceptions to the rules limiting online learning for foreign students when colleges and universities in March rushed to shutter campuses and move to online classes as the pandemic forced lockdowns.

There are more than a million foreign students at U.S. colleges and universities, and many schools depend on revenue from foreign students, who often pay full tuition.
The U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agency said institutions moving entirely to online learning must submit plans to the agency by July 15. Schools that will use only in-person learning, shortened or delayed classes, or a blend of in-person and online learning must submit plans by Aug. 1.

Can't they do them online in their own country?


I don't see a problem here, now no need for them to live in the USA.

They may not even have adequate Internet access in their "own country".

Who gives a shit? I know I don't.

Go have a few more Bud Lights.

Light beer is for pussies.

And those not interested in the extra calories.

If you have a good metabolism and don't sit in your mother's basement all day long in your red flannel pajamas playing vido games you can enjoy a real beer and not put on weight.

As you get older it doesn't work like it did when you were younger.

 

[Kondor3]

And another EO, that makes no sense. Is it because Trump is impotent to affect the opening of public schools under local control? Wants to destroy higher education? Is pissed at Harvard? This new order contradicts previous policy regarding Covid....what a mess.

https://www.usnews.com/news/top-news/articles/2020-07-07/us-colleges-scramble-after-new-trump-order-on-foreign-students

Many U.S. colleges were scrambling on Tuesday to modify plans for the fall semester in the midst of the coronavirus pandemic a day after the Trump administration issued an order that could force tens of thousands of foreign students to leave the country if their schools hold all classes online.
The announcement blindsided academic institutions grappling with the logistical challenges of safely resuming classes, particularly after the federal government had granted exceptions to the rules limiting online learning for foreign students when colleges and universities in March rushed to shutter campuses and move to online classes as the pandemic forced lockdowns.

There are more than a million foreign students at U.S. colleges and universities, and many schools depend on revenue from foreign students, who often pay full tuition.
The U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agency said institutions moving entirely to online learning must submit plans to the agency by July 15. Schools that will use only in-person learning, shortened or delayed classes, or a blend of in-person and online learning must submit plans by Aug. 1.

Frankly, I don't much care about this one.

Won't there be more seats in those universities for American kids, if we chase some of the foreign kids back home?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

And another EO, that makes no sense. Is it because Trump is impotent to affect the opening of public schools under local control? Wants to destroy higher education? Is pissed at Harvard? This new order contradicts previous policy regarding Covid....what a mess.

https://www.usnews.com/news/top-news/articles/2020-07-07/us-colleges-scramble-after-new-trump-order-on-foreign-students

Many U.S. colleges were scrambling on Tuesday to modify plans for the fall semester in the midst of the coronavirus pandemic a day after the Trump administration issued an order that could force tens of thousands of foreign students to leave the country if their schools hold all classes online.
The announcement blindsided academic institutions grappling with the logistical challenges of safely resuming classes, particularly after the federal government had granted exceptions to the rules limiting online learning for foreign students when colleges and universities in March rushed to shutter campuses and move to online classes as the pandemic forced lockdowns.

There are more than a million foreign students at U.S. colleges and universities, and many schools depend on revenue from foreign students, who often pay full tuition.
The U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agency said institutions moving entirely to online learning must submit plans to the agency by July 15. Schools that will use only in-person learning, shortened or delayed classes, or a blend of in-person and online learning must submit plans by Aug. 1.

Frankly, I don't much care about this one.

Won't there be more seats in those universities for American kids, if we chase some of the foreign kids back home?

There are no seats for anybody, that's why they should leave.

 

[charwin95]

Well, it seems entire online classes for immigrants would have got them kicked out anyways because there was a limit on them. Obviously, if all were online, they woukd exceed the limit.
Im trying to find the EO and I cant. Do you have a link?

I expected that only Trump followers will support this kind of stupidity.

Right now this country needs a lot of investments and money needs to help the economy. We are in deep shit because how Trump screwed up this country.

There are millions of foreign students. So let me stick it to your thick skull and the rest of you.

1. Billions of $ are already lost from Trump stupidity even before the Covid-19.
2. Billions $!more will be lost by deporting these foreign students.
3. These students pay premiums on rents of apartments or condos.
4. They spent $ billions on clothings, shoes, iPhones, WiFi, furnitures, entertainments and foods.

All of those will be a lost of American incomes.

So explain to us. WHAT IS THE BENEFITS OF DEPORTING THESE STUDENTS?

This is a good example how Trump screwed this country. This a good example that Trump is so dumb that he has nothing to do with with the good economy.

 

[Dragonlady]

How? Foreign students don’t impact American students.

Wrong

china makes up 27% of the foreign students and wields great clout within our universities as it does over the NBA

China was pouring millions of dollars into US universities. A large percentage of students at Harvard are there on full scholarship. Foreign students all pay full freight - no scholarship for them, so the Ivy League schools need the high paying foreign students to fund all those scholarships for American students.

More so the students from the Middle East. The African and Asian countries have no high level western style universities to send the leaders to for an education. Having all of these foreign students living and working in the USA is good for foreign relations too. These people will be tomorrow's world leaders so them being educated and having a positive view of the USA would be a good thing for the future.

Harvard University and the Massacusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) sued Trump today, for this EO:

Harvard, MIT Sue Trump Administration Over International-Student Policy

Harvard and the Massachusetts Institute of Technology sued the Trump administration over its new policy barring international students from coming to or remaining in the U.S. if their classes are taught entirely online.

www.wsj.com

Canada runs similar foreign student programs at our universities. We're keeping the students in Canada and NOT sending them home. It's safter to leave them where they are than to start shipping them all over the country, but as always, Trump has done the thing that will do the most damage.

 

[TNHarley]

Well, it seems entire online classes for immigrants would have got them kicked out anyways because there was a limit on them. Obviously, if all were online, they woukd exceed the limit.
Im trying to find the EO and I cant. Do you have a link?

I expected that only Trump followers will support this kind of stupidity.

Right now this country needs a lot of investments and money needs to help the economy. We are in deep shit because how Trump screwed up this country.

There are millions of foreign students. So let me stick it to your thick skull and the rest of you.

1. Billions of $ are already lost from Trump stupidity even before the Covid-19.
2. Billions $!more will be lost by deporting these foreign students.
3. These students pay premiums on rents of apartments or condos.
4. They spent $ billions on clothings, shoes, iPhones, WiFi, furnitures, entertainments and foods.

All of those will be a lost of American incomes.

So explain to us. WHAT IS THE BENEFITS OF DEPORTING THESE STUDENTS?

This is a good example how Trump screwed this country. This a good example that Trump is so dumb that he has nothing to do with with the good economy.

You lost me a Trump follower.
You are a dumb pos

 

[theHawk]

And another EO, that makes no sense. Is it because Trump is impotent to affect the opening of public schools under local control? Wants to destroy higher education? Is pissed at Harvard? This new order contradicts previous policy regarding Covid....what a mess.

https://www.usnews.com/news/top-news/articles/2020-07-07/us-colleges-scramble-after-new-trump-order-on-foreign-students

Many U.S. colleges were scrambling on Tuesday to modify plans for the fall semester in the midst of the coronavirus pandemic a day after the Trump administration issued an order that could force tens of thousands of foreign students to leave the country if their schools hold all classes online.
The announcement blindsided academic institutions grappling with the logistical challenges of safely resuming classes, particularly after the federal government had granted exceptions to the rules limiting online learning for foreign students when colleges and universities in March rushed to shutter campuses and move to online classes as the pandemic forced lockdowns.

There are more than a million foreign students at U.S. colleges and universities, and many schools depend on revenue from foreign students, who often pay full tuition.
The U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agency said institutions moving entirely to online learning must submit plans to the agency by July 15. Schools that will use only in-person learning, shortened or delayed classes, or a blend of in-person and online learning must submit plans by Aug. 1.

Why would foreign students need to be in the country if the classes are totally on-line?
Why do we have so many foreigners in our schools anyway? Shouldn’t those seats be given to Americans? To African-Americans?

Let's not go full crazy train.

I was being a bit sarcastic.

 

[LeftofLeft]

There are too many foreign students in the USA. Trump should crack down on student visas from hostile countries like China.

And the foreign students who are here should not be able to take STEM classes. STEM classes should be reserved for American students.

Why?

Higher Ed is a product, and we have a lot of international students who want it.

They can consume it online. Interstate travel has banned US citizens from visiting without extreme conditions. If I can’t go to NY tomorrow then foreign students can stay home until this is under control. Hell, Europe won’t let me in at all right now.

Stop appeasing foreign countries over US.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

How? Foreign students don’t impact American students.

Wrong

china makes up 27% of the foreign students and wields great clout within our universities as it does over the NBA

China was pouring millions of dollars into US universities. A large percentage of students at Harvard are there on full scholarship. Foreign students all pay full freight - no scholarship for them, so the Ivy League schools need the high paying foreign students to fund all those scholarships for American students.

More so the students from the Middle East. The African and Asian countries have no high level western style universities to send the leaders to for an education. Having all of these foreign students living and working in the USA is good for foreign relations too. These people will be tomorrow's world leaders so them being educated and having a positive view of the USA would be a good thing for the future.

Harvard University and the Massacusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) sued Trump today, for this EO:

Harvard, MIT Sue Trump Administration Over International-Student Policy

Harvard and the Massachusetts Institute of Technology sued the Trump administration over its new policy barring international students from coming to or remaining in the U.S. if their classes are taught entirely online.

www.wsj.com

Canada runs similar foreign student programs at our universities. We're keeping the students in Canada and NOT sending them home. It's safter to leave them where they are than to start shipping them all over the country, but as always, Trump has done the thing that will do the most damage.

How will it do any damage by sending them back home? They are going to have to go back home at some point.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

There are millions of foreign students. So let me stick it to your thick skull and the rest of you.

1. Billions of $ are already lost from Trump stupidity even before the Covid-19.
2. Billions $!more will be lost by deporting these foreign students.
3. These students pay premiums on rents of apartments or condos.
4. They spent $ billions on clothings, shoes, iPhones, WiFi, furnitures, entertainments and foods.

All of those will be a lost of American incomes.

Oh really......well if that's the case, why don't we let the entire Fn world into the United States? If a few million foreigners can do that, imagine what 7.3 billion people could do with our economy!

Then you wonder why we absolutely need to keep people with your mentality out of power.

 

[Coyote]

There are too many foreign students in the USA. Trump should crack down on student visas from hostile countries like China.

And the foreign students who are here should not be able to take STEM classes. STEM classes should be reserved for American students.

Why?

Higher Ed is a product, and we have a lot of international students who want it.

They can consume it online. Interstate travel has banned US citizens from visiting without extreme conditions. If I can’t go to NY tomorrow then foreign students can stay home until this is under control. Hell, Europe won’t let me in at all right now.

Stop appeasing foreign countries over US.

It has nothing to do with appeasement.

 

[Coyote]

There are millions of foreign students. So let me stick it to your thick skull and the rest of you.

1. Billions of $ are already lost from Trump stupidity even before the Covid-19.
2. Billions $!more will be lost by deporting these foreign students.
3. These students pay premiums on rents of apartments or condos.
4. They spent $ billions on clothings, shoes, iPhones, WiFi, furnitures, entertainments and foods.

All of those will be a lost of American incomes.

Oh really......well if that's the case, why don't we let the entire Fn world into the United States? If a few million foreigners can do that, imagine what 7.3 billion people could do with our economy!

Then you wonder why we absolutely need to keep people with your mentality out of power.

Talk a massive and unstable strawman.

 

[odanny]

Everything Trump touches turns to shit. We have three years of evidence of this as President, and decades as a businessman in NYC to further validate this, but his cult remains oblivious, wearing blinders to his history of ineptitude. You knew he would target education with his choice of DeVoss, and now he is going after how these colleges are profitable.

Trump University anyone?