Tyre Nichols body cam footage

[pknopp]

This may be silly, but it looked to me like the pavement was wet, and he simply did not want to lie face-down on the wet pavement. Other than that, he was sitting on the ground, and the one officer kept yelling, "GET ON THE GROUND!" He was on the ground.

Where in the world can these cops get a fair trial?

Hell perhaps.

 

[Mac-7]

There is no evidence of a criminal here so your point is moot.

Not at all

When the police have no authority the criminals run wild

Look to california, oregon, and washington for example

 

[pknopp]

Not at all

When the police have no authority the criminals run wild

By the current accounts the police had no authority to do what they did and they ran wild.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

There is no defense of the fat ass cop kicking him (twice) while he was laying on the ground motionless. At that point, he was doing nothing.
There are two lessons here.
1) When will people ever learn to stop resisting arrest and turning a minor traffic offense into a felony? You see it all the time.
2) What is going on in Memphis? All of these cops felt perfectly safe to be able to beat the shit out of someone and not afraid anything would happen to them. That is a product of a failure of leadership.

 

[rightwinger]

At what point does this case move from officers struggling to restrain a suspect to murder?

When an officer walks up to a suspect lying on the ground with two cops on top and kicks him in the head twice

When officers hold him upright so another officer can beat him with a baton

When officers hold him upright while another officer repeatedly sucker punches him

 

[Missourian]

Your claim falls apart when police are unable to articulate why they are trying to arrest him

He was initially pulled over for reckless driving.

He didn't stop when police attempted to pull him over.

When he finally stopped he refused to exit the vehicle.

When the police physically removed him from the vehicle, he resisted being handcuffed.

After using non-lethal compliance techniques to force Nichols to comply... HE ESCAPED CUSTODY.

The excuses you make for failure to comply are only going to cost more lives.

When you get pulled over...stop.

Comply with police command.

Had those things happened in this instance Nichols would be at home right now with a ticket.

There are no ifs, ands or buts about it.

We know that because it happens thousands of times a day.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

He was initially pulled over for reckless driving.

He didn't stop when police attempted to pull him over.

When he finally stopped he refused to exit the vehicle.

When the police physically removed him from the vehicle, he resisted being handcuffed.

After using non-lethal compliance techniques to force Nichols to comply... HE ESCAPED CUSTODY.

The excuses you make for failure to comply are only going to cost more lives.

When you get pulled over...stop.

Comply with police command.

Had those things happened in this instance Nichols would be at home right now with a ticket.

There are no ifs, ands or buts about it.

We know that because it happens thousands of times a day.

Totally agree, but there is another side.
A person doesn't deserved to be literally beaten to death because they don't comply.
You are absolutely right that he would be alive and well with only a ticket had he not escalated this thing to the point of lunacy.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME - so did the officers. They escalated the scenario right along with him.
It's not like the guy is a convicted child rapist, he was guilty of a traffic offense.
Cops cannot simply kick you while you are laying on the ground in handcuffs because they are angry.

 

[rightwinger]

He was initially pulled over for reckless driving.

He didn't stop when police attempted to pull him over.

When he finally stopped he refused to exit the vehicle.

When the police physically removed him from the vehicle, he resisted being handcuffed.

After using non-lethal compliance techniques to force Nichols to comply... HE ESCAPED CUSTODY.

The excuses you make for failure to comply are only going to cost more lives.

When you get pulled over...stop.

Comply with police command.

Had those things happened in this instance Nichols would be at home right now with a ticket.

There are no ifs, ands or buts about it.

We know that because it happens thousands of times a day.

All which would justify a ticket

None of which would justify arrest

 

[Polishprince]

You understand wrong

That cop should have been arrested

Maybe its different where you are at, but around here its legal to defend your Old Lady's reputation against false charges. So, no, he shouldn't have been.

 

[22lcidw]

Totally agree, but there is another side.
A person doesn't deserved to be literally beaten to death because they don't comply.
You are absolutely right that he would be alive and well with only a ticket had he not escalated this thing to the point of lunacy.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME - so did the officers. They escalated the scenario right along with him.
It's not like the guy is a convicted child rapist, he was guilty of a traffic offense.
Cops cannot simply kick you while you are laying on the ground in handcuffs because they are angry.

It seems time after time when police have an issue subduing a potential perp this is the prescribed and documented way the perp acts out. Noncompliance. It is how we all feel about that as individuals as to whether it is an escalation that law enforcement will not back down from or abuse from the same. Anyone who has experienced law enforcement overreach can have sympathy. Most of them never had justice applied for their transgressions.

 

[Missourian]

All which would justify a ticket

None of which would justify arrest

Reckless driving is an arrestable offense. In conjunction with failing to pull over it is almost certain to become the basis for arrest.

 

[Missourian]

BUT AT THE SAME TIME - so did the officers. They escalated the scenario right along with him.
It's not like the guy is a convicted child rapist, he was guilty of a traffic offense.
Cops cannot simply kick you while you are laying on the ground in handcuffs because they are angry.

I agree. Even if he was a convicted child rapist the police cannot assault them while they are restrained unless they are still fighting.

 

[pknopp]

He was initially pulled over for reckless driving.

And the officers superiors have said there is no evidence he was recklessly driving.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

At what point does this case move from officers struggling to restrain a suspect to murder?

When an officer walks up to a suspect lying on the ground with two cops on top and kicks him in the head twice

When officers hold him upright so another officer can beat him with a baton

When officers hold him upright while another officer repeatedly sucker punches him

The kicking in the head thing was uncalled for and I agree with you there. But when I watched the video what I seen was officers having to use physical force against a suspect using physical force against them. So again I ask, if a suspect fights an arrest, what are police to do outside of physical restraint or force, just let them go?

 

[rightwinger]

Reckless driving is an arrestable offense. In conjunction with failing to pull over it is almost certain to become the basis for arrest.

Not really

Nothing that Nichols allegedly did would have been arrestible

It would take horrendous reckless driving to warrant arrest

He didn’t try to outrun police, he was slowly driving home where he thought it was safer

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Lets look at it this way…

What would have happened if police had just chased him down and arrested him without further injury?

Charges of fleeing would have been dropped because police never had any reason to arrest him in the first place.

Nichols would have a civil rights claim and civil claim for pulling him from his car, pepper spraying him and shooting him with a taser without cause.

None of us have any idea what caused the stop or how the suspect reacted to orders before the officer with the camera on got there. What I seen was the officer with the camera approaching the vehicle while another officer was already trying to pull him out of the car. What happened up to that point is anybody's guess for now.

 

[rightwinger]

The kicking in the head thing was uncalled for and I agree with you there. But when I watched the video what I seen was officers having to use physical force against a suspect using physical force against them. So again I ask, if a suspect fights an arrest, what are police to do outside of physical restraint or force, just let them go?

If cops had left it at that they could claim they were just doing their job trying to restrain someone.

It became murder when they kicked him in the head while restrained, when two officers held him upright while another beat him with his baton and when two officers held him so another could repeatedly punch him in the face

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

To me, it looked like he was trying to comply
It was the cops who were out of control, not Mr Nichols

There is no such thing as "trying" to comply. You either comply or you don't. He didn't.

 

[basquebromance]

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

If cops had left it at that they could claim they were just doing their job trying to restrain someone.

It became murder when they kicked him in the head while restrained, when two officers held him upright while another beat him with his baton and when two officers held him so another could repeatedly punch him in the face

Okay, if cops would have left it at that. So in other words, you want our police to let any criminal go because they don't want to comply with their orders. What do you think all criminals will do if that's the new procedure?