Tyre Nichols body cam footage

[Harpy Eagle]

Every time I’ve had to deal with police officers, guess what I did?

Comply.

Crazy fucking concept.

Comply or die....that is the new motto in the US I suppose

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

They ordered him to get on the ground
He was on the ground

Let me ask you something Ray
If you were just pepper sprayed in the eyes, what would you be doing with your hands?

Whatever the officer instructed me to do with my hands. But of course I would never be in that position in the first place because I would have complied with every one of their orders from the beginning.

 

[leftwinger]

Was he on his way to Bible Study?

Or so F’d up driving recklessly in a rolling 2 ton murder weapon? Un-insured, no registration, suspended licence, revoked, warrants, carrying contraban, illegal guns, disturbing the Peace, possession of stolen property, repeat offender?

or just a good ole boy out looking for some poon or to help somebody in need? Out to see his Children from 5 different ho?

Did he OD like Floyd or did they really hit him hard? Keep hearing about kicks to the head? Body cam video not clear. Run, cause trouble, win stupid prizes.

 

[Missourian]

BUT AT THE SAME TIME - so did the officers. They escalated the scenario right along with him.
It's not like the guy is a convicted child rapist, he was guilty of a traffic offense.
Cops cannot simply kick you while you are laying on the ground in handcuffs because they are angry.

I suspect that a city like Memphis is no longer attracting good police officers.

Memphis and West Memphis, AR have some of the highest crime rates in the country.


Memphis is number two in cities with the highest crime rates.

MSN

www.msn.com

Who wants to be a police officer there?

They are having a terrible time recruiting candidates that can graduate from the police academy.



And being an urban police officer is not a prestige position for employment anymore while rural police are still held in high regard.

With the urban public no longer having their back, and literally putting their life on the line every day,. what's the up side?

Fallen Officers Archives

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[Ray From Cleveland]

I did
It was a stupid post

You have to reasonably suspect a crime has been committed before you try to cuff a suspect
The suspect was within his rights to ask….what did I do?

Shows how much you know about the law. No, they don't have to have suspicion that somebody committed any crime to use handcuffs. They have to suspect a crime to arrest somebody. When officers place you in handcuffs, it's for your safety and theirs. It's not necessarily for an arrest.

 

[Missourian]

Not really

Nothing that Nichols allegedly did would have been arrestible

It would take horrendous reckless driving to warrant arrest

He didn’t try to outrun police, he was slowly driving home where he thought it was safer

No...really.

More than 300 people arrested for drag racing and reckless driving this year, MPD says

Officers at the North Main precinct are responsible for 56 of the more than 300 arrests so far this year.

www.fox13memphis.com

Again you're making excuses for breaking the law. It's comments like this that are getting these people killed.

In Memphis...the city with the number two highest crime rate in the country...police don't see a person "going somewhere safer"... they see a person eluding a traffic stop.

MORE IMPORTANTLY...if you decide to go "somewhere safer"... Then when you stop you 100% comply.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

You wouldn't be sticking up for them if Nichols would have been a white man.

Of course I would have. White people aren't supposed to act that way. They would deserve whatever they get.

Yea the guy weighed about 180lbs and 5 officers couldn't handcuff him. Man go on somewhere with that bullshit.

So what do you think, they put on a show that they couldn't get him restrained for the body cam????

 

[liarintheWH]

Comply or die....that is the new motto in the US I suppose

Where did I say he deserved to die?

Those cops obviously took it too far.

My point is, if he was 100% compliant from the start, he’d still be alive today.

Don’t put words in my mouth, goof.

 

[SweetSue92]

There is no defense of the fat ass cop kicking him (twice) while he was laying on the ground motionless. At that point, he was doing nothing.
There are two lessons here.
1) When will people ever learn to stop resisting arrest and turning a minor traffic offense into a felony? You see it all the time.
2) What is going on in Memphis? All of these cops felt perfectly safe to be able to beat the shit out of someone and not afraid anything would happen to them. That is a product of a failure of leadership.

Do not resist arrest if you are arrested.

But then, if it's these "cops" doing the arresting--fight it in court to the uttermost.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Where did I say he deserved to die?

Those cops obviously took it too far.

My point is, if he was 100% compliant from the start, he’d still be alive today.

Don’t put words in my mouth, goof.

So in other words comply or die.

 

[SweetSue92]

What kind of federal law is he talking about? Federalizing the police?

Sure Al...that would work out like the NIH, CDC, FBI, CIA....

great

 

[rightwinger]

Shows how much you know about the law. No, they don't have to have suspicion that somebody committed any crime to use handcuffs. They have to suspect a crime to arrest somebody. When officers place you in handcuffs, it's for your safety and theirs. It's not necessarily for an arrest.

You do not get to just walk up to someone and just slap handcuffs on him

When stopped on a traffic violation, you are required to provide license, registration, insurance…..nothing more
He does not even have to talk to them

To escalate to detaining a driver, you need an articulable suspicion of crime or a threat to your safety

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Agreed. This is why a lot of folks on the left, want to leave these sorts of confrontations up to units composed of social workers, or units that have more special training.

I somehow have this impression, that Ray would just like to have a law passed, where anyone found out in public, that is suspected of being too high to be rational, and a danger to themselves and society, be immediately, and w/o prejudice, summarily executed without a trial, on the spot.

No, anybody suspected of wrong doing I would like to see comply with all police orders just as I have all of my life.

Problem: police injuring and killing suspects.
Reason: Suspects fight with police.
Solution: Suspects stop fighting with police.

This is what's called logic or common sense.

 

[rightwinger]

No...really.

More than 300 people arrested for drag racing and reckless driving this year, MPD says

Officers at the North Main precinct are responsible for 56 of the more than 300 arrests so far this year.

www.fox13memphis.com

Again you're making excuses for breaking the law. It's comments like this that are getting these people killed.

In Memphis...the city with the number two highest crime rate in the country...police don't see a person "going somewhere safer"... they see a person eluding a traffic stop.

MORE IMPORTANTLY...if you decide to go "somewhere safer"... Then when you stop you 100% comply.

You don’t elude at slow speed
He was not trying to get away
He was looking for a safe place to stop

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

You do not get to just walk up to someone and just slap handcuffs on him

When stopped on a traffic violation, you are required to provide license, registration, insurance…..nothing more
He does not even have to talk to them

To escalate to detaining a driver, you need an articulable suspicion of crime or a threat to your safety

Which apparently they felt was the case. I know you're a leftist so you're pro-criminal, but what is the point of fighting with police officers? You're always going to lose. When you get your law degree, then tell us what you are required to do and what you don't have to do. Until that time, if a police officer gives you an order, simply obey it. If you believe your rights were violated or the officer made you do something he shouldn't have, you take that matter up with his supervisors, the Mayor of that city, or your state representative. But what you don't do is fight with the cop on the streets.

 

[liarintheWH]

This white boy didn't comply and he grabbed his gun and threatened the cops. Why isn't he dead? Is it because he is a white boy.

This proves you don’t give a shit about police brutality.

If you did you’d be praising those cops for not shooting his ass when he drove off.

It’s ALL about race to you.

You’re pathetic.

 

[Missourian]

You don’t elude at slow speed
He was not trying to get away
He was looking for a safe place to stop

Yes... You do. Happens all the time.

To get rid of drugs, try to hide guns...or get home and then run.

You make the mistake of only painting a picture from Nichols side.

The police in Memphis see this behavior every day. Not pulling over immediately is almost universally a bad sign.

 

[rightwinger]

Okay, if cops would have left it at that. So in other words, you want our police to let any criminal go because they don't want to comply with their orders. What do you think all criminals will do if that's the new procedure?

Once again Ray, just for you

If the cops had injured him while attempting to restrain him, they would be justified

Once they kicked a restrained suspect in the head, beat a restrained suspect with a nightstick and held him upright while an officer punched him repeatedly in the face……it became murder

 

[Missourian]

You do not get to just walk up to someone and just slap handcuffs on him

When stopped on a traffic violation, you are required to provide license, registration, insurance…..nothing more
He does not even have to talk to them

To escalate to detaining a driver, you need an articulable suspicion of crime or a threat to your safety

Yes...you do. Happens all the time. ESPECIALLY if you are seen to have been eluding. You get them out of the car and handcuff them, then search them for weapons.

 

[liarintheWH]

So in other words comply or die.

Comply or risk getting the shit beat out of you.

A gamble I’ve never taken.