Type of government

[Yurt]

since i've been posting on boards, a few years and really only got into politics a few years ago, i keep seeing a recurring theme.....what type of government is this program, this philosophy, this agenda.....this war....etc...

the US does not have true capitalism, doesn't have true socialism, doesn't have true communism and so forth.

when a repub runs, libs scream big money and how they hate they hate the poor, though never offering what type of government this is, except to say....capitalism or a new one i read, corporatism.....which i don't see how that is any different than capitalism....

when a lib runs for office, the screams are of socialism, communism etc.....

we have unemployment, social security, medicare, disability etc.....both parties seem to fight over them and both claim their right.....and now healthcare....

what ism are these programs?

 

[Zoom-boing]

Americanism.

 

[Diuretic]

Economies are described in isms a lot aren't they? Feudalism, mercantilism, capitalism, socialism, communism. I can't find an ism for a slavery-based economy though, but someone might know the word.

But government programmes are just public policy, they're not isms of themselves, although they are embedded in an ism I think.

 

[Oddball]

Creeping incrementalism, toward totalitarianism.

 

[Yurt]

Americanism.

ah...

so then the claims that obama is a socialist or communist are false....he is an american

 

[Yurt]

Creeping incrementalism, toward totalitarianism.

while witty......what does this mean other saying our current ism is creeping towards another ism....

i could make that claim about nearly anything.....what say you to the specific programs i mentioned or any other programs you care to talk about.

 

[The Rabbi]

European-style socialism. Every one of them.
Social Security was copied from Bismark's Germany (why is the retirement age 65?). Others follow in turn.
There are no absolutes. China is not absolutely communist. The US is not absolutely capitalist. They are both mixed on different points on the continuum.

 

[BasicGreatGuy]

In my opinion, you are asking the wrong question. It doesn't matter what "ism" people wish to attach to any program(s). What is important, is whether or not the programs are constitutional. That is the proverbial bottom line.

If you don't truly care to get to the bottom line, you will ism yourself away.

 

[The Rabbi]

In my opinion, you are asking the wrong question. It doesn't matter what "ism" people wish to attach to any program(s). What is important, is whether or not the programs are constitutional. That is the proverbial bottom line.

If you don't truly care to get to the bottom line, you will ism yourself away.

When has being constitutional ever gotten in the way of a program? And that goes back to the founders themselves.

 

[Oddball]

Creeping incrementalism, toward totalitarianism.

while witty......what does this mean other saying our current ism is creeping towards another ism....

i could make that claim about nearly anything.....what say you to the specific programs i mentioned or any other programs you care to talk about.

Social Security
Medicare/Medicaid
The "war" on poverty and all its attendant do-gooder programs
Farm subsidies
Gubmint schools
The FDA, FCC, HUD, SEC, and the rest of the Alphabet Soup Mob

That a good enough start?

 

[BasicGreatGuy]

In my opinion, you are asking the wrong question. It doesn't matter what "ism" people wish to attach to any program(s). What is important, is whether or not the programs are constitutional. That is the proverbial bottom line.

If you don't truly care to get to the bottom line, you will ism yourself away.

When has being constitutional ever gotten in the way of a program? And that goes back to the founders themselves.

Using your reasoning, people should keep doing what they are doing, because " John Q. Public's" mom lets him do whatever he wants excuse has gotten us really far in properly addressing the problems facing this Republic.

 

[goldcatt]

 

[BasicGreatGuy]

Instigator.

 

[Contumacious]

European-style socialism. Every one of them.
Social Security was copied from Bismark's Germany (why is the retirement age 65?). Others follow in turn.
There are no absolutes. China is not absolutely communist. The US is not absolutely capitalist. They are both mixed on different points on the continuum.

And you are 1/2 pregnant.


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[Yurt]

European-style socialism. Every one of them.
Social Security was copied from Bismark's Germany (why is the retirement age 65?). Others follow in turn.
There are no absolutes. China is not absolutely communist. The US is not absolutely capitalist. They are both mixed on different points on the continuum.

that doesn't explain why the US social security is socialism.....referring to other systems is NOT what i am looking for

and your abosute point is exactly why i made this thread.....what then are the accusations worth?

 

[Yurt]

Creeping incrementalism, toward totalitarianism.

while witty......what does this mean other saying our current ism is creeping towards another ism....

i could make that claim about nearly anything.....what say you to the specific programs i mentioned or any other programs you care to talk about.

Social Security
Medicare/Medicaid
The "war" on poverty and all its attendant do-gooder programs
Farm subsidies
Gubmint schools
The FDA, FCC, HUD, SEC, and the rest of the Alphabet Soup Mob

That a good enough start?

no, you gave a list, not a list and reasons.....i want the reasons

 

[goldcatt]

Instigator.

I do love a good ringside seat.
Actually I agree with Diuretic on this. The "ism" being followed by government will make certain types of programs more or less likely, but they are not in themselves any kind of "ism".

 

[Yurt]

Instigator.

I do love a good ringside seat.
Actually I agree with Diuretic on this. The "ism" being followed by government will make certain types of programs more or less likely, but they are not in themselves any kind of "ism".

fair enough.....then how would you describe the US government, now and during the past 8 years to keep it simple.....

or are you here only to eat popcorn and hotdogs?

 

[BasicGreatGuy]

Instigator.

I do love a good ringside seat.
Actually I agree with Diuretic on this. The "ism" being followed by government will make certain types of programs more or less likely, but they are not in themselves any kind of "ism".

And I refer you back to my original post.

 

[xotoxi]

what ism are these programs?

Jism