CDZ Two options...the European model of self defense, and the American model of Self defensse.

[BULLDOG]

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I am helping you understand what it all means.
I have the firearms and the ammunition ... There is nothing more we need to discuss.

Playing your stupid games is past tense ...
That's what "If you want to fight about it ... Shut the fuck up and lock and load" means ... You ignorant twat ...


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How are we gonna shoot at each other over the internet dumb ass? I doubt you were planning on driving all the way out to my place just to shoot at me. Your post shows all the logic and reason of any typical gun nut. Get back with me if you ever come up with any concessions you gun nuts have made, dumb ass.

 

[BlackSand]

How are we gonna shoot at each other over the internet dumb ass? I doubt you were planning on driving all the way out to my place just to shoot at me. Your post shows all the logic and reason of any typical gun nut. Get back with me if you ever come up with any concessions you gun nuts have made, dumb ass.

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I simply posted that there will be no more concessions.

If you care to argue about it with me on the internet, you are wasting your time.
If you care to actually fight about it ... You are going to have to arm yourself and lock and load.

That's what "You are free to keep fighting over who the dumbasses are" means ...
What are you not understanding ... Dumbass ...

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[GLASNOST]

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Thanks ... Your opinion is noted, for all it is worth ...

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I thought you would disagree with me.

 

[BULLDOG]

Submitting to BG checks, having to pay for permits getting fingerprinted

How many other rights are there that you have to get and pay for a BG check, pay for a course, pay for a permit and have to get fingerprinted before you can exercise them?

The NRA as well as most other gun organizations supported the NFA of 1968. Pretty hard to call that a concession if you were all for it.

 

[BlackSand]

I thought you would disagree with me.

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Disagree with you about what ...
You have an opinion, and you are free to have whatever opinion you want.

I am not trying to change your mind ... I don't need to change your mind.

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[BULLDOG]

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I simply posted that there will be no more concessions.

If you care to argue about it with me on the internet, you are wasting your time.
If you care to actually fight about it ... You are going to have to arm yourself and lock and load.

That's what "You are free to keep fighting over who the dumbasses are" means ...
What are you not understanding ... Dumbass ...

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Yes. I realize it is a waste of time trying to have a discussion with you. It's just so much fun to see what the next absurd thing you post might be.

 

[Blues Man]

The NRA as well as most other gun organizations supported the NFA of 1968. Pretty hard to call that a concession if you were all for it.

Once again not every gun owner belongs to the NRA

I don't.

But answer the question. How many other rights do you have to pay to get a permit, get a BG check, get fingerprinted etc before you can exercise them?

MAybe we should require that for all rights.

WHat? you didn;t pay for your 4th amendment permit? Then your home and car can be searched anytime without a warrant

 

[GLASNOST]

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Disagree with you about what ...
You have an opinion, and you are free to have whatever opinion you want.

I am not trying to change your mind ... I don't need to change your mind.

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That's cool.

 

[BlackSand]

Yes. I realize it is a waste of time trying to have a discussion with you. It's just so much fun to see what the next absurd thing you post might be.

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You don't have to tell me ...
The first thing I posted, and that you responded to, was the fact it doesn't matter what silly games you want to play.

If you want to suggest that you are just a simple-minded fool that is easily entertained ... I won't argue with that.
Glad I could help you accomplish something ...

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[BULLDOG]

Once again not every gun owner belongs to the NRA

I don't.

But answer the question. How many other rights do you have to pay to get a permit, get a BG check, get fingerprinted etc before you can exercise them?

MAybe we should require that for all rights.

WHat? you didn;t pay for your 4th amendment permit? Then your home and car can be searched anytime without a warrant

So how do you feel about permits to own fully automatic rifles? Should everybody be allowed to own them without a permit?

 

[Blues Man]

So how do you feel about permits to own fully automatic rifles? Should everybody be allowed to own them without a permit?

Answer my question and I'll answer yours

 

[BULLDOG]

So the only time EMS is called out is when people get shot?

Very few people get shot on any day.

And those that do are usually engaged in some sort of criminal activity.

But that is not reason to think that carrying a gun for self defense is unwarranted.

You're probably not going to die today but I bet you have life insurance. You're probably not going to have your car stolen today but I bet you have auto insurance.

You prepare for all kinds of other worst case scenarios but you don't think you have to be prepared for any scenario where your life or a loved one's life will ever be endangered by another person?

And let's not forget the fact that a gun does not have to be fired in order for it to count as a defensive use. Most times the mere drawing of a firearm will deescalate a potential crime

Read the link. It's broken down between the causes for the call outs. The numbr I presented was actual fires.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Right. There is a whole class of people you vote against because the NRA has told you that even though there has never been an effort to confiscate guns, you are in danger of it happening. You aren't as situationally aware as you think you are.

The NRA is correct.

Yes there has been such efforts through coercion.

 

[Blues Man]

Read the link. It's broken down between the causes for the call outs. The numbr I presented was actual fires.

The fact is there are far more calls for paramedics and EMS than there are for fires

I don't really care how many of those are specifically for gun shot wounds because it is completely irrelevant

 

[BULLDOG]

Answer my question and I'll answer yours

Ok. There is a cost for everything. I have a constitutional right to own a home and property, but that doesn't mean I don't have to pay taxes. With gun registration and background checks, it has been determined that it is constitutional to require those things, but there is a cost for all the record keeping involved. Since you, and only you receive the benefit of your gun registration, it is fair and reasonable for you and only you to pay for the cost of your paperwork.

 

[BULLDOG]

The fact is there are far more calls for paramedics and EMS than there are for fires

I don't really care how many of those are specifically for gun shot wounds because it is completely irrelevant

You are correct. That's why I only indicated the number of actual fires.

 

[Blues Man]

Ok. There is a cost for everything. I have a constitutional right to own a home and property, but that doesn't mean I don't have to pay taxes. With gun registration and background checks, it has been determined that it is constitutional to require those things, but there is a cost for all the record keeping involved. Since you, and only you receive the benefit of your gun registration, it is fair and reasonable for you and only you to pay for the cost of your paperwork.

So then you're OK with requiring permits for all your protected rights?

If you want freedom of speech you have to pay for a permit
If you want to keep and bear arms, pay up
If you want your Miranda rights or you want to take the fifth , pay up

If you want to vote....

 

[2aguy]

Murder rate in UK v US

United Kingdom vs United States: Crime > Violent crime Facts and Stats

Murders, Murder rate per million people, Intentional homicide rate, Murder rate, Murders per million people

www.nationmaster.com

4 times more in US...

The OP can try and paint a picture all he likes but the facts are... Armed Robbery in UK is a lot rarer in UK than in US... Armed Violence is a lot less, to the point that the police don't regularly carry guns...

Guess what you are 99 times less likely to be shot by UK police that US Police... Yes that is 99 times, 70 times if you are white...

Lets be clear there is plenty of countries in the world who are very happy with there gun laws and in UK they consider US laws barbaric... US has mass shootings every other day, this just doesn't happen at the same frequency in Europe...

UK want gun laws even stricter

Gun ownership: three quarters of Britons want stricter laws | YouGov

Approaching two in five think firearm ownership should be illegal

yougov.co.uk

Look at this poll:
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Why do they want guns gone... Because they kill people... Gun in UK are considered to part of a hobby, Gun Clubs are actually big advocates of gun laws and safety... US gun laws are considered worldwide as highly irresponsible and idiotic...

They have access to guns, even the British police state this....they just don't use them, yet, to murder each other...that is now changing now that the welfare state in Britain has destroyed their poor families and they have imported violent males from 3rd world countries...

you guys want to pretend that isn't happening, but it is...

Meanwhile....guns are do not cause gun violence...how do we know? Over 27 years of experience in the U.S....

You can't explain how this happened...more guns, less gun crime and murder...

Over the last 27 years, up to the year 2015, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 19.4 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2019...guess what happened...

New Concealed Carry Report For 2020: 19.48 Million Permit Holders, 820,000 More Than Last Year despite many states shutting down issuing permits because of the Coronavirus - Crime Prevention Research Center


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.


This means that access to guns does not create gun crime........

Why do our democrat party controlled cities have gun crime problems?

1) the democrat party keeps releasing violent gun offenders...they have created a revolving door for criminals who use guns, and will release even the most serious gun offenders over and over again....why? Probably because they realise that normal people don't use their guns for crime, so if they want to push gun control, they need criminals to shoot people.....so they keep releasing them....

2) The democrat party keeps attacking the police.....driving the officers into not doing pro-active policing, cutting detective forces so that murders go unsolved..........

 

[2aguy]

Murder rate in UK v US

United Kingdom vs United States: Crime > Violent crime Facts and Stats

Murders, Murder rate per million people, Intentional homicide rate, Murder rate, Murders per million people

www.nationmaster.com

4 times more in US...

The OP can try and paint a picture all he likes but the facts are... Armed Robbery in UK is a lot rarer in UK than in US... Armed Violence is a lot less, to the point that the police don't regularly carry guns...

Guess what you are 99 times less likely to be shot by UK police that US Police... Yes that is 99 times, 70 times if you are white...

Lets be clear there is plenty of countries in the world who are very happy with there gun laws and in UK they consider US laws barbaric... US has mass shootings every other day, this just doesn't happen at the same frequency in Europe...

UK want gun laws even stricter

Gun ownership: three quarters of Britons want stricter laws | YouGov

Approaching two in five think firearm ownership should be illegal

yougov.co.uk

Look at this poll:
View attachment 612412

Why do they want guns gone... Because they kill people... Gun in UK are considered to part of a hobby, Gun Clubs are actually big advocates of gun laws and safety... US gun laws are considered worldwide as highly irresponsible and idiotic...

US gun laws are considered worldwide as highly irresponsible and idiotic...

Hmmmmm.....you should really talk to the people on Ukraine on that...you doofus...

And you cite countries in Europe where 15 million innocent men, women and children were murdered in a 6 year period by their governments handing them over to the socialists......25 million murdered in Russia, 70 million in China.....and on and on....

You cite countries and their opinions that committed mass murder against their own, unarmed populations...you doofus....

What does this Ukrainian have to say to you, the moron?

In a new op-ed published at the Financial Times, Mykhed tries to describe what its like to watch your quiet neighborhood turn into a battlefield, and to be confronted with the inescapable truth that running away isn’t an option.
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I’d never held a gun in my hands till February 2022. My wife and I had several hours of training just to figure out what to do with it. Just in case. And now I regret like hell that I didn’t do that training before.

Ukrainian writer: "I regret like hell" not training with a gun before now

Better late than never.

bearingarms.com

 

[2aguy]

Got it. You can't think of any concessions gunnuts have made either. Your brainwashing just made you think it might be something cool to say.

Background checks....you idiot..........and now you shitheads want background checks for every purchase, knowing they do nothing, and that they will increase the money, time and legal jeapordy for legal gun owners....