otto105
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They don't lie. They tell you they include all forms of gun violence in their statistics.You continued citing of 2019 mass shootings is wrong too.It includes them because they're mass shootings.Mother Jones uses a different criteria.View attachment 505425Did gun violence increase or decrease when New Zealand banned guns 20 years back from a horrible mass shooting?Do those statistics account for the aging of our population? Lower rates of lead based paint in housing?That is a modeling statist of bullshit. With high rates of gun sales over the past couple of years, is gun violence increasing or decreasing as YOU claim?And the gun violence rate in the UK is.... compared to our country.I'm no going to side with a gun fetish wacko to change the culture of the people of the UK just so violence by people with guns can reach US levels.I've already answered that piece of shit question that you're clearly obsessive over.I already answered that piece of shit strawmen question douchebag.Okay....still waiting for the answer to basic questions....
A woman is brutally beaten by her ex-husband in Britain. He beats her, stabs her with scissors and pulls out two of her teeth with his bare hands.......
He is arrested........well after the attack.......and is in prison for 4 years.
Question: What do the anti-gun extremists want this woman to do when this man gets out of jail in 4 years?
A woman in Britain is brutally gang raped in a London park......
Question: What do the anti-gunners want this woman to do after this attack? How does she keep this from happening again?
I have waited for a reply to these questions and they simply will not answer them.
Here is what an American woman can do...
Shortly after informing my work about what was happening in our house. The break-in happened. The local police got involved, the base got involved… everyone knew. As a result, my commander ordered us back on base because that was all he could do to keep us safe.
My roommate and I had been targeted and as a result, the only way to avoid us being put directly in danger was to be ordered onto a military installation with 24/7 security.
Soon after, I received orders to move down to Florida. I had gotten married and thought after moving I’d feel safer.
I was wrong. In fact, things got worse. Even at home, I didn’t feel safe. I had no way of defending myself. When it got dark outside, I’d go around making sure every door and window was locked. I couldn’t even sleep through the night. I had regressed to an almost child-like state of being afraid of the dark. I felt weak, afraid, even violated.
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My husband was getting ready to deploy, so he was gone most of the time. I bought a big dog, but that didn’t help. I was suffering from a form of trauma, and it was a major problem.
But then a friend, a technical sergeant, explained to me what a concealed-carry permit was — and it changed my life forever.
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I quickly applied for my concealed carry and I was (until recently) able to sleep through the night again. I felt at that time that I could defend myself. I finally felt like myself — a young woman able to live her life to the fullest.
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My civilian friends didn’t understand why I needed a gun, even though I went through a traumatic experience. And these women’s clothing companies with which I was working wanted to cut ties with me after I began posting online about my story and using firearms.
The strangest response was people saying they didn’t want me to be political. I didn’t think I was being political. To me, the Second Amendment isn’t a political issue. It’s a matter of basic protection. I was simply sharing experiences to get people to realize that self-defense is an option. Was I not exhibiting the ultimate support for women by empowering them to feel safe and secure?
It isn't a straw man question...it is a real world question......that you can't answer.
I just want an answer since you guys want to take guns away from law abiding people....it is up to you to explain how these women will defend themselves against these attackers.....
And again.....just give a quick answer that you already said you gave.......13 pages....I am not wading through them for you.
The second question is just as foolish and not of reality.
Didn't ask you to side with anyone, didn't ask you anything about anything else...simply asked these questions....
A woman is brutally beaten by her ex-husband in Britain. He beats her, stabs her with scissors and pulls out two of her teeth with his bare hands.......
He is arrested........well after the attack.......and is in prison for 4 years.
Question: What do the anti-gun extremists want this woman to do when this man gets out of jail in 4 years?
A woman in Britain is brutally gang raped in a London park......
Question: What do the anti-gunners want this woman to do after this attack? How does she keep this from happening again?
I have waited for a reply to these questions and they simply will not answer them.
Keep in mind, in neither of the attacks did the man use a gun to commit the act of violence and sexual assault against the women....they used their bare hands, or a scissors......in gun free Britain.....
Gun laws in the UK are not changing, so she will have to move from the house that she was attacked in. And unlike Georgia, where an abusive ex-husband was given a gun back to murder the wife 13 hours later hopefully he moves on with his pathetic life.
Second one, she will have to get therapy for the attack and go on with her life.
More guns and the violence it brings is not the answer.
Thanks for responding and actually answering the question.
So...you solution to a violent ex-husband......
Move.
Your solution to a violent gang rape?
Get therapy.
Thank you for your answers.
Your solution to prevent each violent attack?
None.
Is growing.......the British police state they can't stop the increasing flow of illegal guns into the country.
So....as criminals in Britain gun up.....the regular British citizen will still be defenseless against criminals...especially women and the elderly.
Our gun murder rate is concentrated ...criminals murdering criminals...while our citizens with legal guns use those legal guns 1.1 million times a year to stop brutal rapes, beatings, stabbings, robberies and murders.......
And Britain can certainty keep gun violence where it has been.
In the U.S.........?
Over the last 27 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 19.4 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2019...guess what happened...
New Concealed Carry Report For 2020: 19.48 Million Permit Holders, 820,000 More Than Last Year despite many states shutting down issuing permits because of the Coronavirus - Crime Prevention Research Center
-- gun murder down 49%
--gun crime down 75%
--violent crime down 72%
Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware
Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.
Access to guns does not increase the gun crime rate or the gun murder rate....
What are the rates per capita for age groups?
Yes....now pretend that the actual argument you guys make no longer is the argument you make...
You guys tell us.....more guns will lead to more gun crime and more gun murder, no matter what other factors are involved......
That is your argument for banning and confiscating guns....
Then, when we show you that as more Americans own and actually carry guns...the gun crime and gun murder rates did not go up...
So now you change the argument, move the goal posts....
Sorry, you don't get to do that...
We had a massive increase in gun ownership and gun carrying in the U.S....and our gun murder rate went down 40%.......
BTW how many mass shootings have we had so far this year?
Mass public shootings in the U.S.....?
Total deaths from mass public shootings in ...
2020.....5
2019... 73
Deer kill 200 people a year.
Ladder falls kill 300 people a year.
Lawn mowers kill between 90-100 people a year....
Bathtubs kill over 300 a year.....
Knives kill over 1,500 every year....
Total murders by mass public shooters...1982-2017
795
knife murders.....2009-2013.....
2009----1,836
2010----1,933
2011----1,611
2012---1,769
2013---1.956
2015....1,589
2016....1,632
2017....1,591
Rifle murder....
2009---351
2010---367
2011---332
2012---298
2013---285
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The actual number of mass shootings from Mother Jones......
Here you go...the number of mass public shootings according to Mother Jones...rabid, anti gun, left wing news source.....not the NRA...
The list below comes from the old definition of 4 killed to make a shooting a mass shooting...if you now go to the link there are more than listed below...but that is because Mother Jones changed the list from the time I first posted it...and changed to obama's new standard of only 3 dead to make a mass shooting...
I have put obama's updated number in parenthesis..........
we will see....
US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation
2020....1
2019....10
2018... 12
2017: 11 ( 5 according to the old standard)
2016....6
2015....4 ( obama's new standard....7)
2014....2 (4)
2013....5
2012....7
2011....3
2010....1
2009....4
2008....3
2007....4
2006....3
2005...2
2004....1
2003...1
2002 not listed so more than likely 0
2001....1
2000....1
1999....5
1998...3
1997....2
1996....1
1995...1
1994...1
1993...4
1992...2
1991...3
1990...1
1989...2
1988....1
1987...1
1986...1
1985... not listed so probably 0
1984...2
1983...not listed so probably 0
1982...1
US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation
US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation
Rental Truck in Nice, France, 86 murdered in 5 minutes...
Total number murdered in mass public shootings by year...
Lawn mower deaths every year.... more than 90
Lawnmowers kill more people than bears or sharks or alligators each year
This article says 90 people died a year...it verys......but it also points out Deer kill 200 people a year....more than mass public shooters do...
found that, on average, lawnmower accidents were responsible for the deaths of an average of 90 Americans annually
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deer attacks, responsible for an annual average of 200 people;
Falling off ladder deaths...300...
Gun murder 2019.....20,235
Deaths in actual mass public shootings... ( someone do the math and tell us what percent of 10,235 the number 73 equals.....)
Ladder Safety.
Bathtub deaths...
an average of 335 a year. Infants, very young children and the elderly are at risk, but more than half of all tub deaths are among able-bodied people between the ages of 5 and 64.
Someone drowns in a tub nearly every day in America
2020....5
2019....73
2018.....93
2017........117
2016......71
2015......37
2014..... 9
2013..... 36
2012..... 72
2011..... 19
2010....9
2009...39
2008...18
2007...54
2006...21
2005...17
2004...5
2003...7
2002...not listed by mother jones
2001...5
2000...7
1999...42
1998...14
1997...9
1996...6
1995...6
1994....5
1993...23
1992...9
1991...35
1990...10
1989...15
1988...7
1987...6
1986...15
1985...(none listed)
1984...28
1983 (none listed)
1982...8
That has no link......and that doesn't follow the actual definition of mass public shootings.....
Do you question the bonafides of Mother Jones as a left wing, anti-gun source?
US mass shootings, 1982–2021: Data from Mother Jones’ investigation
Dating back to at least 2005, the FBI and leading criminologists essentially defined a mass shooting as a single attack in a public place in which four or more victims were killed. We adopted that baseline for fatalities when we gathered data in 2012 on three decades worth of cases.
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Our research focused on indiscriminate rampages in public places resulting in four or more victims killed by the attacker. We exclude shootings stemming from more conventionally motivated crimes such as armed robbery or gang violence. (Or in which the perpetrators have not been identified.) Other news outlets and researchers have since published larger tallies that include a wide range of gun crimes in which four or more people have been either wounded or killed. While those larger datasets of multiple-victim shootings are useful for studying the broader problem of gun violence, our investigation provides an in-depth look at a distinct phenomenon—from the firearms used and mental health factors to the growing copycat problem. Tracking mass shootings is complex; we believe ours is the most useful approach for studying this specific phenomenon.
- Here is a description of the criteria we use:
- The perpetrator took the lives of at least four people. A 2008 FBI report identifies an individual as a mass murderer—versus a spree killer or a serial killer—if he kills four or more people in a single incident (not including himself), typically in a single location. (*In 2013, the US government’s fatality baseline was revised down to three; our database reflects this change beginning from Jan. 2013, as detailed above.)
- The killings were carried out by a lone shooter. (Except in the case of the Columbine massacre and the Westside Middle School killings, which involved two shooters.)
- The shootings occurred in a public place. (Except in the case of a party on private property in Crandon, Wisconsin, and another in Seattle, where crowds of strangers had gathered, essentially constituting a public crowd.) Crimes primarily related to gang activity or armed robbery are not included, nor are mass killings that took place in private homes (often stemming from domestic violence).
- Perpetrators who died or were wounded during the attack are not included in the victim tallies.
- We included a handful of cases also known as “spree killings“—cases in which the killings occurred in more than one location, but still over a short period of time, that otherwise fit the above criteria.
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Here's you link.
List of mass shootings in the United States in 2021 - Wikipedia
Mother Jones uses actual criteria for mass public shootings from the FBI...your photo lumps in gang shootings...drive by, shootings at gang parties and night clubs........which are not mass public shootings....where a stranger enters a public space to kill innocent strangers...
You exclude them because you want those numbers ignored.
Nope...I don't ignore those numbers, in fact, I state them all the time....
10,235 gun murders in the U.S. in 2019....I state that all the time in all sorts of threads....
Mass public shooting deaths.....73 in 2019.
Of the 10,235 gun murders....over 70-80% of the victims are criminals. The majority of the rest of the victims? Are friends, family and associates of the criminals, hit during the attempt to shoot the actual criminal.
So if you aren't a criminal....if you aren't the friends, family or associate of a criminal....you are not going to get shot in the U.S.........your chances are almost zero.......
But you guys have to hide that truth.....you can't scare people with reality because reality doesn't support what you believe....
So...you mix gang shootings with mass public shootings to hide the truth.
This is a list of mass shootings in the United States that have occurred in 2019. Mass shootings are incidents involving multiple victims of firearm-related violence. The precise inclusion criteria are disputed, and there is no broadly accepted definition.[2][3]
Gun Violence Archive, a nonprofit research group that tracks shootings and their characteristics in the United States, defines a mass shooting as an incident in which four or more people, excluding the perpetrator(s), are shot in one location at roughly the same time.[4] The Congressional Research Service narrows that definition, limiting it to "public mass shootings," defined by four or more victims killed, excluding any victims who survive.[3] The Washington Post and Mother Jones use similar definitions, with the latter acknowledging that their definition "is a conservative measure of the problem," as many shootings with fewer fatalities occur.[5][6] The crowdsourced Mass Shooting Tracker project has the most expansive definition, of four or more shot in any incident, including the perpetrator.[7]
There were 434 mass shootings in 2019 that fit the inclusion criteria of this article, resulting in 517 deaths and 1,643 injuries, for a total of 2,160 victims. Compared to the previous year, there were 111 more incidents.
I used the actual FBI definition of a mass public shooting.....the Gun Violence Archive lies.....and uses gang shootings...two different types of gun crime.
Criminals shooting at other criminals vs. solitary gunmen targeting innocent peope in public places.....
You want to confuse the two in order to scare people into giving your side the power to ban and confiscate guns.....
In regard to the FBI, I'm guess a non-former president one will change their measure of mass shootings too.
