Trying to clarify this "Alt Right" thing

[Mac1958]

Not sure why there is so much controversy over this, but let's try to boil down the Alt Right in two ways: Its existence and its characteristics.

First, it is clearly not something that Hillary made up in her recent speech, as is claimed by some. Breitbart, perhaps THE leader of the movement (let us please not forget who is CEO of the Trump campaign), provided a fairly comprehensive look here, An Establishment Conservative's Guide To The Alt-Right, and the term was first used in context in 2008, here: The Decline and Rise of the Alternative Right.

The tiniest bit of intellectual curiosity and a quick internet search yielded those two helpful items.

Second might be a look at the characteristics of a member of the Alt Right. Obviously terms like this - especially political terms - are going to be subjective to a point, but some generalities can be made, so here we go. What are some general behaviors of someone on the Alt Right?

1. They have eschewed the GOP in favor of Donald Trump, who is clearly not a traditional conservative
2. They are VERY anti-"establishment" - in fact, the "Alt" in "Alt Right" could be interpreted as "alternative to the GOP establishment"
3. They are far more likely to attack a Republican as a "RINO" if that person goes against their orthodoxy
4. They attack RINOs and the Establishment with at LEAST as much passion as they do Democrats
   
5. They are far more likely to celebrate the huge schism that has formed in the GOP
6. They are far more likely to attack the GOP as being crony capitalists who are bought & paid for
7. Some, not all I think, have made a 180 from formerly supporting Bush's invasion of Iraq
   
8. They are far more likely to react to a Republican who won't vote for Trump by saying "good riddance, we don't need you anyway"

A 20,000-foot view. Thoughts?
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[Disir]

It once had a meaning and now is being bandied about to indiscriminately nail people that won't vote the way you think they should. How cool is that?

 

[Mac1958]

It once had a meaning and now is being bandied about to indiscriminately nail people that won't vote the way you think they should. How cool is that?

That happens, and unfortunately, that's politics.

I'm just trying to come up with some general descriptions and examples.
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[martybegan]

Not sure why there is so much controversy over this, but let's try to boil down the Alt Right in two ways: Its existence and its characteristics.

First, it is clearly not something that Hillary made up in her recent speech, as is claimed by some. Breitbart, perhaps THE leader of the movement (let us please not forget who is CEO of the Trump campaign), provided a fairly comprehensive look here, An Establishment Conservative's Guide To The Alt-Right, and the term was first used in context in 2008, here: The Decline and Rise of the Alternative Right.

The tiniest bit of intellectual curiosity and a quick internet search yielded those two helpful items.

Second might be a look at the characteristics of a member of the Alt Right. Obviously terms like this - especially political terms - are going to be subjective to a point, but some generalities can be made, so here we go. What are some general behaviors of someone on the Alt Right?

1. They have eschewed the GOP in favor of Donald Trump, who is clearly not a traditional conservative
2. They are VERY anti-"establishment" - in fact, the "Alt" in "Alt Right" could be interpreted as "alternative to the GOP establishment"
3. They are far more likely to attack a Republican as a "RINO" if that person goes against their orthodoxy
4. They attack RINOs and the Establishment with at LEAST as much passion as they do Democrats
   
5. They are far more likely to celebrate the huge schism that has formed in the GOP
6. They are far more likely to attack the GOP as being crony capitalists who are bought & paid for
7. Some, not all I think, have made a 180 from formerly supporting Bush's invasion of Iraq
   
8. They are far more likely to react to a Republican who won't vote for Trump by saying "good riddance, we don't need you anyway"

A 20,000-foot view. Thoughts?
.

All well and good, but like the seven commandments in Animal Farm, it has been reduced from this to "Alt-right = Racists".

Whatever the term used to mean is meaningless. The Narrative now leads to the really really hard right being equated to the "alt-right", i.e. Sovereign citizens, White nationalists, etc.

 

[Mac1958]

Not sure why there is so much controversy over this, but let's try to boil down the Alt Right in two ways: Its existence and its characteristics.

First, it is clearly not something that Hillary made up in her recent speech, as is claimed by some. Breitbart, perhaps THE leader of the movement (let us please not forget who is CEO of the Trump campaign), provided a fairly comprehensive look here, An Establishment Conservative's Guide To The Alt-Right, and the term was first used in context in 2008, here: The Decline and Rise of the Alternative Right.

The tiniest bit of intellectual curiosity and a quick internet search yielded those two helpful items.

Second might be a look at the characteristics of a member of the Alt Right. Obviously terms like this - especially political terms - are going to be subjective to a point, but some generalities can be made, so here we go. What are some general behaviors of someone on the Alt Right?

1. They have eschewed the GOP in favor of Donald Trump, who is clearly not a traditional conservative
2. They are VERY anti-"establishment" - in fact, the "Alt" in "Alt Right" could be interpreted as "alternative to the GOP establishment"
3. They are far more likely to attack a Republican as a "RINO" if that person goes against their orthodoxy
4. They attack RINOs and the Establishment with at LEAST as much passion as they do Democrats
   
5. They are far more likely to celebrate the huge schism that has formed in the GOP
6. They are far more likely to attack the GOP as being crony capitalists who are bought & paid for
7. Some, not all I think, have made a 180 from formerly supporting Bush's invasion of Iraq
   
8. They are far more likely to react to a Republican who won't vote for Trump by saying "good riddance, we don't need you anyway"

A 20,000-foot view. Thoughts?
.

All well and good, but like the seven commandments in Animal Farm, it has been reduced from this to "Alt-right = Racists".

Whatever the term used to mean is meaningless. The Narrative now leads to the really really hard right being equated to the "alt-right", i.e. Sovereign citizens, White nationalists, etc.

I saw an article somewhere that said that Trump essentially doomed himself with his announcement speech.

The piece argued that he should have zeroed in on the economy and jobs from the very beginning and just kept hammering away, because stepping into the Democrats' wheelhouse - using any excuse to scream RACISM - would put him in an intractable position. And here he is.

On the other hand, it's the wall argument that probably got him where he is.
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[Two Thumbs]

Not sure why there is so much controversy over this, but let's try to boil down the Alt Right in two ways: Its existence and its characteristics.

First, it is clearly not something that Hillary made up in her recent speech, as is claimed by some. Breitbart, perhaps THE leader of the movement (let us please not forget who is CEO of the Trump campaign), provided a fairly comprehensive look here, An Establishment Conservative's Guide To The Alt-Right, and the term was first used in context in 2008, here: The Decline and Rise of the Alternative Right.

The tiniest bit of intellectual curiosity and a quick internet search yielded those two helpful items.

Second might be a look at the characteristics of a member of the Alt Right. Obviously terms like this - especially political terms - are going to be subjective to a point, but some generalities can be made, so here we go. What are some general behaviors of someone on the Alt Right?

1. They have eschewed the GOP in favor of Donald Trump, who is clearly not a traditional conservative
2. They are VERY anti-"establishment" - in fact, the "Alt" in "Alt Right" could be interpreted as "alternative to the GOP establishment"
3. They are far more likely to attack a Republican as a "RINO" if that person goes against their orthodoxy
4. They attack RINOs and the Establishment with at LEAST as much passion as they do Democrats
   
5. They are far more likely to celebrate the huge schism that has formed in the GOP
6. They are far more likely to attack the GOP as being crony capitalists who are bought & paid for
7. Some, not all I think, have made a 180 from formerly supporting Bush's invasion of Iraq
   
8. They are far more likely to react to a Republican who won't vote for Trump by saying "good riddance, we don't need you anyway"

A 20,000-foot view. Thoughts?
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sounds fair enough.

desperate for anyone not an insider the alt right picked a liberal, making this election a win-win for the dnc

 

[LoneLaugher]

Not sure why there is so much controversy over this, but let's try to boil down the Alt Right in two ways: Its existence and its characteristics.

First, it is clearly not something that Hillary made up in her recent speech, as is claimed by some. Breitbart, perhaps THE leader of the movement (let us please not forget who is CEO of the Trump campaign), provided a fairly comprehensive look here, An Establishment Conservative's Guide To The Alt-Right, and the term was first used in context in 2008, here: The Decline and Rise of the Alternative Right.

The tiniest bit of intellectual curiosity and a quick internet search yielded those two helpful items.

Second might be a look at the characteristics of a member of the Alt Right. Obviously terms like this - especially political terms - are going to be subjective to a point, but some generalities can be made, so here we go. What are some general behaviors of someone on the Alt Right?

1. They have eschewed the GOP in favor of Donald Trump, who is clearly not a traditional conservative
2. They are VERY anti-"establishment" - in fact, the "Alt" in "Alt Right" could be interpreted as "alternative to the GOP establishment"
3. They are far more likely to attack a Republican as a "RINO" if that person goes against their orthodoxy
4. They attack RINOs and the Establishment with at LEAST as much passion as they do Democrats
   
5. They are far more likely to celebrate the huge schism that has formed in the GOP
6. They are far more likely to attack the GOP as being crony capitalists who are bought & paid for
7. Some, not all I think, have made a 180 from formerly supporting Bush's invasion of Iraq
   
8. They are far more likely to react to a Republican who won't vote for Trump by saying "good riddance, we don't need you anyway"

A 20,000-foot view. Thoughts?
.

All well and good, but like the seven commandments in Animal Farm, it has been reduced from this to "Alt-right = Racists".

Whatever the term used to mean is meaningless. The Narrative now leads to the really really hard right being equated to the "alt-right", i.e. Sovereign citizens, White nationalists, etc.

I saw an article somewhere that said that Trump essentially doomed himself with his announcement speech.

The piece argued that he should have zeroed in on the economy and jobs from the very beginning and just kept hammering away, because stepping into the Democrats' wheelhouse - using any excuse to scream RACISM - would put him in an intractable position. And here he is.

On the other hand, it's the wall argument that probably got him where he is.
.

The democrats wheelhouse is not using any excuse to scream racism. You know that. Why say something that you know to be untrue.

 

[Two Thumbs]

Not sure why there is so much controversy over this, but let's try to boil down the Alt Right in two ways: Its existence and its characteristics.

First, it is clearly not something that Hillary made up in her recent speech, as is claimed by some. Breitbart, perhaps THE leader of the movement (let us please not forget who is CEO of the Trump campaign), provided a fairly comprehensive look here, An Establishment Conservative's Guide To The Alt-Right, and the term was first used in context in 2008, here: The Decline and Rise of the Alternative Right.

The tiniest bit of intellectual curiosity and a quick internet search yielded those two helpful items.

Second might be a look at the characteristics of a member of the Alt Right. Obviously terms like this - especially political terms - are going to be subjective to a point, but some generalities can be made, so here we go. What are some general behaviors of someone on the Alt Right?

1. They have eschewed the GOP in favor of Donald Trump, who is clearly not a traditional conservative
2. They are VERY anti-"establishment" - in fact, the "Alt" in "Alt Right" could be interpreted as "alternative to the GOP establishment"
3. They are far more likely to attack a Republican as a "RINO" if that person goes against their orthodoxy
4. They attack RINOs and the Establishment with at LEAST as much passion as they do Democrats
   
5. They are far more likely to celebrate the huge schism that has formed in the GOP
6. They are far more likely to attack the GOP as being crony capitalists who are bought & paid for
7. Some, not all I think, have made a 180 from formerly supporting Bush's invasion of Iraq
   
8. They are far more likely to react to a Republican who won't vote for Trump by saying "good riddance, we don't need you anyway"

A 20,000-foot view. Thoughts?
.

All well and good, but like the seven commandments in Animal Farm, it has been reduced from this to "Alt-right = Racists".

Whatever the term used to mean is meaningless. The Narrative now leads to the really really hard right being equated to the "alt-right", i.e. Sovereign citizens, White nationalists, etc.

I saw an article somewhere that said that Trump essentially doomed himself with his announcement speech.

The piece argued that he should have zeroed in on the economy and jobs from the very beginning and just kept hammering away, because stepping into the Democrats' wheelhouse - using any excuse to scream RACISM - would put him in an intractable position. And here he is.

On the other hand, it's the wall argument that probably got him where he is.
.

The democrats wheelhouse is not using any excuse to scream racism. You know that. Why say something that you know to be untrue.

b/c we actually know that's true, we know it to be an absolute fact, carved in stone fact, so much fact that if you could sell it at a profit

wait, you guys actually do use it to profit.



well anyway, in a few months all us racist will be sexist, but the fact stands, it's just another excuse.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

There's no "controversy ", last week Hillary make it a cornerstone of her campaign and now it's crumbled into dust.

 

[Disir]

It once had a meaning and now is being bandied about to indiscriminately nail people that won't vote the way you think they should. How cool is that?

That happens, and unfortunately, that's politics.

I'm just trying to come up with some general descriptions and examples.
.

How convenient.

 

[Mac1958]

There's no "controversy ", last week Hillary make it a cornerstone of her campaign and now it's crumbled into dust.

Would you say that the people and behaviors I describe in the OP don't exist?
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[yiostheoy]

Alt Right is just a new word that Hillary came up with to describe Trump and his cronies and his non college educated voters.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

There's no "controversy ", last week Hillary make it a cornerstone of her campaign and now it's crumbled into dust.

Would you say that the people and behaviors I describe in the OP don't exist?
.

They might.

Would you agree not one person at USMB ever mentioned Alt Right until Hillary 8/25 Talking Point

 

[Mac1958]

There's no "controversy ", last week Hillary make it a cornerstone of her campaign and now it's crumbled into dust.

Would you say that the people and behaviors I describe in the OP don't exist?
.

They might.

Would you agree not one person at USMB ever mentioned Alt Right until Hillary 8/25 Talking Point

Sure, I think that's possible. Partisans latch on to talking points and memes like ticks on a dog.

My only point is that the term existed before her speech, and that identifying the behaviors is pretty easy.
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[Seawytch]

Not sure why there is so much controversy over this, but let's try to boil down the Alt Right in two ways: Its existence and its characteristics.

First, it is clearly not something that Hillary made up in her recent speech, as is claimed by some. Breitbart, perhaps THE leader of the movement (let us please not forget who is CEO of the Trump campaign), provided a fairly comprehensive look here, An Establishment Conservative's Guide To The Alt-Right, and the term was first used in context in 2008, here: The Decline and Rise of the Alternative Right.

The tiniest bit of intellectual curiosity and a quick internet search yielded those two helpful items.

Second might be a look at the characteristics of a member of the Alt Right. Obviously terms like this - especially political terms - are going to be subjective to a point, but some generalities can be made, so here we go. What are some general behaviors of someone on the Alt Right?

1. They have eschewed the GOP in favor of Donald Trump, who is clearly not a traditional conservative
2. They are VERY anti-"establishment" - in fact, the "Alt" in "Alt Right" could be interpreted as "alternative to the GOP establishment"
3. They are far more likely to attack a Republican as a "RINO" if that person goes against their orthodoxy
4. They attack RINOs and the Establishment with at LEAST as much passion as they do Democrats
   
5. They are far more likely to celebrate the huge schism that has formed in the GOP
6. They are far more likely to attack the GOP as being crony capitalists who are bought & paid for
7. Some, not all I think, have made a 180 from formerly supporting Bush's invasion of Iraq
   
8. They are far more likely to react to a Republican who won't vote for Trump by saying "good riddance, we don't need you anyway"

A 20,000-foot view. Thoughts?
.

All well and good, but like the seven commandments in Animal Farm, it has been reduced from this to "Alt-right = Racists".

Whatever the term used to mean is meaningless. The Narrative now leads to the really really hard right being equated to the "alt-right", i.e. Sovereign citizens, White nationalists, etc.

I saw an article somewhere that said that Trump essentially doomed himself with his announcement speech.

The piece argued that he should have zeroed in on the economy and jobs from the very beginning and just kept hammering away, because stepping into the Democrats' wheelhouse - using any excuse to scream RACISM - would put him in an intractable position. And here he is.

On the other hand, it's the wall argument that probably got him where he is.
.

The democrats wheelhouse is not using any excuse to scream racism. You know that. Why say something that you know to be untrue.

b/c we actually know that's true, we know it to be an absolute fact, carved in stone fact, so much fact that if you could sell it at a profit

wait, you guys actually do use it to profit.



well anyway, in a few months all us racist will be sexist, but the fact stands, it's just another excuse.

So you don't think the "alt right" is racist?

 

[NYcarbineer]

There's no "controversy ", last week Hillary make it a cornerstone of her campaign and now it's crumbled into dust.

Would you say that the people and behaviors I describe in the OP don't exist?
.

They might.

Would you agree not one person at USMB ever mentioned Alt Right until Hillary 8/25 Talking Point

No one talked about the Tea Party until certain people began to call themselves that.

 

[Mac1958]

From January: Donald Trump, Sam Francis And The Emergence Of The Alternative (“Dissident”) Right | VDARE - premier news outlet for patriotic immigration reform
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[NYcarbineer]

Alt Right is just a new word that Hillary came up with to describe Trump and his cronies and his non college educated voters.

Not true. The term alternative right has been around for a long time. It was 'invented' by the people actually IN the alt right.

 

[martybegan]

Not sure why there is so much controversy over this, but let's try to boil down the Alt Right in two ways: Its existence and its characteristics.

First, it is clearly not something that Hillary made up in her recent speech, as is claimed by some. Breitbart, perhaps THE leader of the movement (let us please not forget who is CEO of the Trump campaign), provided a fairly comprehensive look here, An Establishment Conservative's Guide To The Alt-Right, and the term was first used in context in 2008, here: The Decline and Rise of the Alternative Right.

The tiniest bit of intellectual curiosity and a quick internet search yielded those two helpful items.

Second might be a look at the characteristics of a member of the Alt Right. Obviously terms like this - especially political terms - are going to be subjective to a point, but some generalities can be made, so here we go. What are some general behaviors of someone on the Alt Right?

1. They have eschewed the GOP in favor of Donald Trump, who is clearly not a traditional conservative
2. They are VERY anti-"establishment" - in fact, the "Alt" in "Alt Right" could be interpreted as "alternative to the GOP establishment"
3. They are far more likely to attack a Republican as a "RINO" if that person goes against their orthodoxy
4. They attack RINOs and the Establishment with at LEAST as much passion as they do Democrats
   
5. They are far more likely to celebrate the huge schism that has formed in the GOP
6. They are far more likely to attack the GOP as being crony capitalists who are bought & paid for
7. Some, not all I think, have made a 180 from formerly supporting Bush's invasion of Iraq
   
8. They are far more likely to react to a Republican who won't vote for Trump by saying "good riddance, we don't need you anyway"

A 20,000-foot view. Thoughts?
.

All well and good, but like the seven commandments in Animal Farm, it has been reduced from this to "Alt-right = Racists".

Whatever the term used to mean is meaningless. The Narrative now leads to the really really hard right being equated to the "alt-right", i.e. Sovereign citizens, White nationalists, etc.

I saw an article somewhere that said that Trump essentially doomed himself with his announcement speech.

The piece argued that he should have zeroed in on the economy and jobs from the very beginning and just kept hammering away, because stepping into the Democrats' wheelhouse - using any excuse to scream RACISM - would put him in an intractable position. And here he is.

On the other hand, it's the wall argument that probably got him where he is.
.

All Trump has to do is stay within single digits in the battleground States and there will be a shot he can win. The fact that he is still this close, with the way the Media is gunning for him is actually shocking to me, and is indicative of the undercurrent of disgust a lot of people have for the ENTIRE establishment political class.

 

[martybegan]

Not sure why there is so much controversy over this, but let's try to boil down the Alt Right in two ways: Its existence and its characteristics.

First, it is clearly not something that Hillary made up in her recent speech, as is claimed by some. Breitbart, perhaps THE leader of the movement (let us please not forget who is CEO of the Trump campaign), provided a fairly comprehensive look here, An Establishment Conservative's Guide To The Alt-Right, and the term was first used in context in 2008, here: The Decline and Rise of the Alternative Right.

The tiniest bit of intellectual curiosity and a quick internet search yielded those two helpful items.

Second might be a look at the characteristics of a member of the Alt Right. Obviously terms like this - especially political terms - are going to be subjective to a point, but some generalities can be made, so here we go. What are some general behaviors of someone on the Alt Right?

1. They have eschewed the GOP in favor of Donald Trump, who is clearly not a traditional conservative
2. They are VERY anti-"establishment" - in fact, the "Alt" in "Alt Right" could be interpreted as "alternative to the GOP establishment"
3. They are far more likely to attack a Republican as a "RINO" if that person goes against their orthodoxy
4. They attack RINOs and the Establishment with at LEAST as much passion as they do Democrats
   
5. They are far more likely to celebrate the huge schism that has formed in the GOP
6. They are far more likely to attack the GOP as being crony capitalists who are bought & paid for
7. Some, not all I think, have made a 180 from formerly supporting Bush's invasion of Iraq
   
8. They are far more likely to react to a Republican who won't vote for Trump by saying "good riddance, we don't need you anyway"

A 20,000-foot view. Thoughts?
.

All well and good, but like the seven commandments in Animal Farm, it has been reduced from this to "Alt-right = Racists".

Whatever the term used to mean is meaningless. The Narrative now leads to the really really hard right being equated to the "alt-right", i.e. Sovereign citizens, White nationalists, etc.

I saw an article somewhere that said that Trump essentially doomed himself with his announcement speech.

The piece argued that he should have zeroed in on the economy and jobs from the very beginning and just kept hammering away, because stepping into the Democrats' wheelhouse - using any excuse to scream RACISM - would put him in an intractable position. And here he is.

On the other hand, it's the wall argument that probably got him where he is.
.

The democrats wheelhouse is not using any excuse to scream racism. You know that. Why say something that you know to be untrue.

b/c we actually know that's true, we know it to be an absolute fact, carved in stone fact, so much fact that if you could sell it at a profit

wait, you guys actually do use it to profit.



well anyway, in a few months all us racist will be sexist, but the fact stands, it's just another excuse.

So you don't think the "alt right" is racist?

Specifically define the "alt-right" as you are using it, giving specific people and/or groups, and maybe you will get an answer.