Trump's tariffs leading to welfare farming

Liar, liar pants on fire.
If NB shoes buy soles in bulk, even with a tariff, that would only increase the sales price a few cents.
If imported sneakers get tariffs on the finished product, NB would sell a lot more sneakers.
Xmas bonuses at NB would be better than Clark Griswold got.
New Balance has their niche, Made in America.... Not their design or technical or leading edge advancement....or a fad for the younger age to rage over....

They can only buy the soles in bulk, it is what they already do, and raising the price of a major component of their shoe is not pennies...why would their workers be happy about tariffs? Why would anyone be happy about tariffs?

You don't get it.
 
The chickens are coming home to roost across the heartland of America. As harvest season approaches, our farmers, many of them Trump voters, are looking at a nonexistent market for their crops, especially corn and soybeans as a result of Trump's self imposed trade war.
There is moneÿ built into the budget bill to provide assistance (welfare) to farmers to compensate for the lost revenue from the crops they can't sell so that may save some from bankruptcy. Still, here we go with another case of Trump's rhetoric about "making America Great Again" not matching the reality of the results of his incompetent policies.

Tariffs are hurting farmers

Brown said one issue that rounds out all the problems farmers are facing: tariffs.

“I think the tariffs are the ice cream on the cake of a perfect storm,” said Brown. “When you try and sell a product, okay, U.S. soybeans leaving New Orleans without the tariff to China are cheaper than Brazilian soybeans, at the current market. But when you put the tariff on top of them, Brazilian beans are cheaper.”

What can be done to help farmers?

“In the short term, they have no choice but to mail us a check,” said Brown. “I don’t know a farmer that likes the check program. Nobody wants to take the taxpayer dollars, but nobody wants to go broke, nobody wants to lose everything. Long term, we have to have options, markets, and places to sell our product.”



U.S. producers of corn and soybeans have sent dire warnings as prices for their crops have crashed in recent years while President Donald Trump’s trade war whipsaws farmers.

On Thursday, the National Corn Growers Association raised alarms about “the economic crisis hitting rural America, as commodity prices drop at a time when input costs remain at near-record highs.”

Corn prices have plunged more than 50% from their 2022 peak, while production costs are down just 3% in that span, translating to a loss of 85 cents per bushel, the NCGA said, adding that the outlook for next year is worse with even lower prices and higher costs.

The NCGA called on Congress and the Trump administration to boost demand, including via higher blends of ethanol and increased foreign market access.

A week before that, the American Soybean Association sent a letter to Trump, warning that “U.S. soybean farmers are standing at a trade and financial precipice.”


America's farmers have been pushing chains uphill for years, decades now. Tariff issues are only one part of the challenges;
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Ag Reform Must Put Farmers First​

To activists who recognize the dangers of pesticides and other industrial agriculture practices, the necessary policy seems quite obvious. These practices should be banned—the sooner the better. It is a clear moral decision.

From the perspective of the growers, however, such policies pose an existential threat by making an already-hard job impossible. Farmers and ranchers face crushing debt, irrational regulations, perverse incentives, rising input costs, and falling commodity prices. Some 140,000 farms have disappeared over the past five years, and many others survive only because their owners work second jobs. As the average age of the American farmer nears 58, too few of the next generation are entering the profession, which is beset by addiction, depression, suicide, and cancer. All is not well in farm country.

Understandably, regulators and Congress members from farm states are reluctant to consider any policy that would worsen farmers’ already dire conditions. However, in their zeal to protect the agricultural industry, they overlook the ironic truth that the very system they protect is destroying rural America.

That system includes pesticides, factory farms, Department of Agriculture (USDA) and state regulations, debt financing, subsidies, crop insurance, commodity markets, farm consolidation, consumer habits, and food processors, each of which has co-evolved with the rest into a barely functioning interdependency. It is impractical to change one of these elements without changing all of them. Immersed in that system, many farmers feel stuck, unable to change, even if they want to.
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Today in the United States, a small but growing minority of farmers is proving that it is indeed possible to transition to low- or zero-chemical ways of farming that sacrifice neither yield nor prosperity. ...
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These innovators provide a proof-of-concept. Skeptics object that many of them serve niche and specialty markets, often, though not always, relying on direct-to-consumer sales rather than selling bulk commodities. But these markets need not be niche. We can evolve the food system in the direction that these innovators have established: shorter supply chains, smaller scale, more diverse crops, and a closer relationship with consumers.

To do that will require both a long-term vision of a regenerative agricultural system and immediate win-win steps toward it. Here are some examples:
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Farmers should not be punished for being locked into a dysfunctional system. They need an exit ramp: a practical transition pathway that grows their prosperity, unleashes their creativity, and enables them to grow healthy food they feel good about. When we realize that public health, soil health, and the economic health of farmers are inseparable, the regenerative agriculture movement will be unstoppable.
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FYI
A repeat here;

See Trump’s list: More than 180 countries and territories facing reciprocal tariffs​

[Note that the lists show that in most cases the USA will charge the other countries about half of what they charge us.]
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Trump and the White House shared a series of charts on social media detailing the tariff rates they say other countries impose on the U.S. Those purported rates include the countries’ “Currency Manipulation and Trade Barriers.”

An adjacent column shows the new U.S. tariff rates on each country, as well as the European Union.

Those rates are, in most cases, roughly half of what the Trump administration claims each country has “charged” the U.S.
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“We will charge them approximately half of what they are and have been charging us,” Trump said in an announcement in the Rose Garden at the White House.

“So, the tariffs will be not a full reciprocal,” he said.

But that halved figure includes “the combined rate of all their tariffs, nonmonetary barriers and other forms of cheating,” he said.
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Wait a minute. So, a tariff is a tax. And the importing company pays that tax. And they don't pass it on to consumers? Well damn, why don't we just slap them with a higher corporate income tax. They won't pass that on to the consumer either, right? Or is there some extra dubber special about tariffs?
It's not sinking into their skulls. I don't think they want it to.
 
Trump's tariffs leading to welfare farming
Do you really think the USA has not practised welfare farming for decades at the least?
 
Can you really be that stupid? Trump slaps on a tariff, the receiving country retaliates with a tariff. I mean we have been down this road before, in Trump's first administration. Soybean farmers got hit especially hard. And it is not just tariffs. China started buying soybeans from Brazil.
Yes. Yes he can.
 
There is no one check dumbass.
Importers, Manufacturers, Merchandisers, possibly even government subsidies all eat some of the tariffs before consumers make the decision to buy a foreign or a domestic merchandise.
Like foreign or domestic coffee or bananas.

I hear ya'.
 
All these dudes must be saving most of their income, not needing to spend much of it on consumer items at all.
 
The chickens are coming home to roost across the heartland of America. As harvest season approaches, our farmers, many of them Trump voters, are looking at a nonexistent market for their crops, especially corn and soybeans as a result of Trump's self imposed trade war.
There is moneÿ built into the budget bill to provide assistance (welfare) to farmers to compensate for the lost revenue from the crops they can't sell so that may save some from bankruptcy. Still, here we go with another case of Trump's rhetoric about "making America Great Again" not matching the reality of the results of his incompetent policies.

Tariffs are hurting farmers

Brown said one issue that rounds out all the problems farmers are facing: tariffs.

“I think the tariffs are the ice cream on the cake of a perfect storm,” said Brown. “When you try and sell a product, okay, U.S. soybeans leaving New Orleans without the tariff to China are cheaper than Brazilian soybeans, at the current market. But when you put the tariff on top of them, Brazilian beans are cheaper.”

What can be done to help farmers?

“In the short term, they have no choice but to mail us a check,” said Brown. “I don’t know a farmer that likes the check program. Nobody wants to take the taxpayer dollars, but nobody wants to go broke, nobody wants to lose everything. Long term, we have to have options, markets, and places to sell our product.”



U.S. producers of corn and soybeans have sent dire warnings as prices for their crops have crashed in recent years while President Donald Trump’s trade war whipsaws farmers.

On Thursday, the National Corn Growers Association raised alarms about “the economic crisis hitting rural America, as commodity prices drop at a time when input costs remain at near-record highs.”

Corn prices have plunged more than 50% from their 2022 peak, while production costs are down just 3% in that span, translating to a loss of 85 cents per bushel, the NCGA said, adding that the outlook for next year is worse with even lower prices and higher costs.

The NCGA called on Congress and the Trump administration to boost demand, including via higher blends of ethanol and increased foreign market access.

A week before that, the American Soybean Association sent a letter to Trump, warning that “U.S. soybean farmers are standing at a trade and financial precipice.”


Yes, tariffs are one of the problems farmers face. But by far not the only one

Mostly its the same problem farmers have had for 150 years

They just dont get enough reward for what they produce

Everyone in the food business makes money except them

That never changes

Does America need to export corn and soybeans?

Yes if we continue to import so much from the world we need something to sell in return

But otherwise farmers could stop chasing the export rabbit that they never seem to catch and simply feed America instead

But that policy would drive many farmers off the land so I dont recommend it
 
But that policy would drive many farmers off the land so I dont recommend it
The ag policy I recommend is to stop all subsidies. That means areas not prime for the current subsidised/insured crops have to diversify away into another yield that has a market.

You can ***** about it all you like and do it, or you can pay to keep farmers squatting on the land.

It was done here. Those farming the subsidies went broke when the subsidies disappeared. Or they diversified into a more suitable crop.

Now we're a reasonably rich ag and hort nation, for all the industries' flaws.
 
So you don't know who actually writes the check for the tariffs. Where the tariff funds actually come from when they enter the US. All that money that Trump and his MAGA flock are crowing about.

No surprise.

Nothing demonstrates the Dunning-Kruger Effect more accurately than Trumpsters trying to discuss macroeconomics.

And you call OTHERS "dumbass". Too funny.
Its breathtaking to see the level of dumb on display. More worrying is that this is the same level as your trade policy people.Message board madness.
 
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Its breathtaking to see the level of dumb on display. More worrying is that this is the same level as your trade policy people.Message board madness.
This is just another one of those frequent situations when I'm not sure if they're ignorant or just playing games.

How can a person BRAG about all the tariff "income" and not even know where it's coming from?

Trump is tragically ignorant, but you'd think that at least SOME of these people would just ******* LOOK IT UP.
 
I did…
Importer American = added cost
American manufacture = added cost
American merchandise = added cost
You can split the tariff cost amongst the American supply chain, but it still all adds up to the consumer paying the tariffs.
Oh sure some may absorb some of the cost for the short term hoping TACO will reverse the tariff. But that is a temporary condition.
At the end of the day it’s the consumer that posts the import tax - I mean tariff. WW
1. All importers are not American.
2. By definition US manufactured products do not pay tariffs, "US content of trucks made in Mexico" for example
3. True, US sellers may eat some of the tariff to keep market share

4. The US consumer only pays a small percentage of the tariff, if any of it.
 
Going back to your ONE CHECK hypothesis....(Post #9)
Prove that the consumers pay 100% of all tariffs.
"One check means" consumers pay all tariffs dumbass.
Just Wow. Mate your not the dumbest of these maga chimps but this is top class fuckwittedness.
 
I bought our retirement car last year knowing Trump would do tariffs once in office. The exact same car now is $4500 more.
WW
US made or imported car?

Congratulations on retirement. I hope your 401k and IRA keep you comfortable.
Join the SS and Medicare vigilantes.
 
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