Trumps "immunity" defence is punctured by the first question

[Mac1958]

Yeah, it did not go well for Trump at all. All three judges were very skeptical of his claims.

We do not have the divine right of kings in America. We fought for independence over it.

And Trump's flock pretends to revere the Constitution. The one he said should be suspended.

 

[rightwinger]

Trumps Lawyers sound like they are defending Putin

He can do what he wants while President

 

[d0gbreath]

I am old enough to remember when Congress would put the needs of the Country over partisan politics

I guess I'm younger than you are.

 

[Mac1958]

Trumps Lawyers sound like they are defending Putin

He can do what he wants while President

I'd like to know where they got the notion that a President has to be impeached and convicted before they can be tried.

I had never heard of such a thing.

 

[g5000]

Wow. This tard did his level best to cram as many trigger words into his first sentence!

"This dyed in the wool, Marxist, apparatchik, diversity hire..."

And he got his facts wrong, of course. Because he's a total hack. What do you expect from an OAN propagandist?

 

[MAGA Macho Man]

Trumps Lawyers sound like they are defending Putin

He can do what he wants while President

On 12/29/12, President Obama signed HR 4310, the 2013 National Defense Authorization Act. Section 1078 (thomas.loc. gov/cgi-
bin/query/z?c112:H.R.4310 of the bill authorizes the use of propaganda inside the US, which had previously been banned since 1948 when the Smith- Mundt Act was passed.

Under HR 4310 the President of the United States can order “President Can Order SEAL Team 6 to Assassinate Rivals”. In short, any statement by the Biden government can be a legal lie.

GWP -“Recall that Jack Smith went completely off the rails and told a federal appeals court that Trump’s immunity argument would allow him to order his supporters to murder opposing lawmakers.”

And so can Obama and Biden under HR 4310.

DEVELOPING... Appeals Court Skeptical of Trump Immunity: Biden Judge Asks Trump Lawyer if President Can Order SEAL Team 6 to Assassinate Rivals (AUDIO) | The Gateway Pundit | by Cristina Laila

Obama ordered the assassination of an American citizen.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

when did a President do that? and what does that have to do with the current case?

Oh dear.How to illustrate that you are out of your depth in this discussion.

 

[g5000]

I'd like to know where they got the notion that a President has to be impeached and convicted before they can be tried.

I had never heard of such a thing.

There is no such thing.

One of the scenarios the judge asked Trump's lawyer was if a president could be subject to prosecution if he sold pardons.

The dipshit said he could only be prosecuted if he was first impeached and convicted.

This is an idiotic argument. What if the crimes the president committed did not become known until after he left office?

 

[rightwinger]

I'd like to know where they got the notion that a President has to be impeached and convicted before they can be tried.

I had never heard of such a thing.

Just think of what that means

You can break any law in an “official act” in the days before your term ends. Congress will not have time to impeach you.
Just like Trump did

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Judge Florence Pan started off her questioning of Trump lawyer John Sauer by offering a novel scenario.

“Could a president who ordered SEAL Team Six to assassinate a political rival and was not impeached, could he be subjected to criminal prosecution?” Pan asked.

After some back and forth, Sauer said, “Qualified yes, if he’s impeached and convicted first.”

Trump doubles down after DC hearing: âMost people agree that weâre entitled to immunityâ â as it happened

If the judges rule in favor of Trump, it could lead to the dropping of the criminal charges brought by special counsel Jack Smith

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This is not how democracies run. It is how imperial dictators run things. The US fought against this but perhaps the founders had not considered a trump when forming the constitution.

Was she encouraging Biden to send Seal Team after RFK Jr? He’s already had 3 Progressive lunatics come after him

 

[Mac1958]

There is no such thing.

One of the scenarios the judge asked Trump's lawyer was if a president could be subject to prosecution if he sold pardons.

The dipshit said he could only be prosecuted if he was first impeached and convicted.

This is an idiotic argument. What if the crimes the president committed did not become known until after he left office?

They just make shit up and run with it in that world.

It doesn't translate when it gets to Normal World.

 

[rightwinger]

On 12/29/12, President Obama signed HR 4310, the 2013 National Defense Authorization Act. Section 1078 (thomas.loc. gov/cgi-
bin/query/z?c112:H.R.4310 of the bill authorizes the use of propaganda inside the US, which had previously been banned since 1948 when the Smith- Mundt Act was passed.

Under HR 4310 the President of the United States can order “President Can Order SEAL Team 6 to Assassinate Rivals”. In short, any statement by the Biden government can be a legal lie.

GWP -“Recall that Jack Smith went completely off the rails and told a federal appeals court that Trump’s immunity argument would allow him to order his supporters to murder opposing lawmakers.”

And so can Obama and Biden under HR 4310.

DEVELOPING... Appeals Court Skeptical of Trump Immunity: Biden Judge Asks Trump Lawyer if President Can Order SEAL Team 6 to Assassinate Rivals (AUDIO) | The Gateway Pundit | by Cristina Laila

Obama ordered the assassination of an American citizen.

Good to hear

Trump can expect a SEAL Team at his door and Republicans claim it is perfectly legal.
Unless you can find 2/3 of Senators to miss Trump

 

[Lesh]

There is no such thing.

One of the scenarios the judge asked Trump's lawyer was if a president could be subject to prosecution if he sold pardons.

The dipshit said he could only be prosecuted if he was first impeached and convicted.

This is an idiotic argument. What if the crimes the president committed did not become known until after he left office?

Exactly

 

[struth]

Oh dear.How to illustrate that you are out of your depth in this discussion.

So....when did Trump order anyone to do anything to a political rival? Got a link?

 

[g5000]

So....when did Trump order anyone to do anything to a political rival? Got a link?

In his "perfect phone call" to Zelensky, Trump held aid which had been allocated by Congress hostage in an attempt to get Zelensky to announce a fake investigation into Joe Biden.

And then there are Trump's illegal fake electors which were intended to steal the election from Biden.

You really should read the indictments.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Blah blah blah, the Trump SCOTUS will bitch slap this Dem attack on democracy.

And when it doesnt,, you make sure to admit you were engaged in cult fantasy.

 

[g5000]

Blah blah blah, the Trump SCOTUS will bitch slap this Dem attack on democracy.

Care to make a bet?

The winner gets to pick the loser's avatar for one month.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

So....when did Trump order anyone to do anything to a political rival? Got a link?

The example the Judge mentioned was what we call HYPOTHETICAL
And it wasnt about TRUMP.
You would understand that if your werent a thick fucker.

 

[Independent thinker]

Sigh. You know that the law that applies to trump also applies to biden ?
You are aware of that arent you ?

No. I wasn't aware of that in our two tiered justice system where those on the right are charged and those on the left are not charged.

 

[Winston]

Does anyone really think Trump would use his position to persecute his opponents? That's just paranoid crazy talk from the unhinged left. Trump was one of the least fascist Presidents we've ever had.

"Of the last three presidents, Trump was either the most indifferent or the most obstructed when it came to using government agencies for his own partisan political advantages or to neuter his enemies.

For the Left, Donald Trump is synonymous with “fascism” (or “semi-fascism,” as Joe Biden put it the other day). And for Liz Cheney and most of the NeverTrumpers, he remains an existential threat to democracy.

But to quantify those charges, what exactly has Trump done extralegally - as opposed to his bombast and braggadocio about what he might have wished to have done?

And what are the standards by which to judge this supposed menace?

Did Trump illegally and with a mere signature nullify over $300 billion of contracted student loans—to firm up his college-student and college-graduate base nine weeks before the midterm elections?

If Trump wished to abuse his power over the IRS, he would have followed the Obama model of weaponizing it during a reelection year to go after his ideological enemies.

Did Trump blatantly use the national security apparatus of the government to enhance his own reelection bid in 2020?

Was Trump ever caught on a hot mic promising a Russian president that he would try to ease Russian worries about Eastern European missile defense if only the Russians would give him space during his 2012 campaign for president against Mitt Romney?

Did Trump weaponize the FBI? That is, did the FBI go after journalists, former Obama officials, or Democratic Party activists who variously were attacking Don Jr. or Ivanka on the pretenses of retrieving one of their lost laptops or diaries?

Are there texts of Trump-era FBI agents talking about how to “stop” Hillary Clinton’s or Biden’s election bid?

Did the Trump Justice Department start an investigation of the suspected illegal lobbying of Joe Biden and Hunter Biden, who used the former’s political connections to win large cash payments from foreign governments?

Did Trump order an FBI raid on the Obama home, on rumors that there were thousands of documents under dispute with the National Archives in his possession, especially given the Obama record of fiercely fighting any Freedom of Information Act lawsuits to release his documents?

Was Jake Sullivan’s phone grabbed by the FBI at an airport to determine his role in the Russian collusion hoax?

Are there now any former Trump loyalists who, as “anonymous” officials in cabinet agencies or obstructionists on the National Security Council, are writing op-eds about their stealthy daily efforts to undermine Biden’s executive orders or his administration’s action?

Are there now “50 former intelligence officials” who signed affidavits in support of Trump’s allegations about the authenticity of Hunter’s laptop?

Between 2017 and 2020, did Trump’s team systematically seek to change the voting laws in key states to radically transform traditional balloting, in a mail-in or early voting revolution, in which only 30 percent of the electorate would vote on Election Day?

Was there any “dark money” effort analogous to the efforts of corporate and tech money along with DNC activists and Biden operators in what Time magazine’s Molly Ball described as a “conspiracy” to ensure the defeat of Trump’s opponent?

How about Trump’s efforts to revolutionize the very system of government? Did he promote a court-packing scheme to ensure he might not just get a 5-4 majority, but perhaps an 11-4 conservative advantage in a new 15-justice Supreme Court?

Did he dream up ways of getting rid of the Electoral College so the “blue wall” might never return?

Did Trump as president meet with CIA and FBI directors who, in their weekly and daily briefings, apprised him of efforts to monitor, spy, and infiltrate the campaign of Joe Biden?

The strange thing about Trump was that he did not use extraordinary powers to investigate anyone unlawfully. He boasted, he railed, he screamed, he whined, he became at times crude and obnoxious. But he did not use the FBI, the CIA, the Justice Department, or the IRS to go after the Obamas, the Clintons, or the Bidens.

In fact, of the last three presidents, Trump was either the most inept or indifferent, or the most obstructed concerning any issue of using government agencies for his own partisan political advantages or to neuter his enemies. "

The Strangest Thing About "Semi-Fascist" Trump | ZeroHedge

What a bunch of absolute drivel badly disguised as propaganda. Flippin Zero Hedge, Tyler Durden, a pseudonym, because the Bulgarian dumbass ain't got the balls to post his real name.

And one has to be seriously delusional to buy that toxic ass shit. Some people just have no damn business voting.

The revelation that Trump’s Justice Department secretly seized phone and email data from his critics, his perceived political enemies and people whose loyalty he doubted – including me – fits a bigger pattern of abusing the rule of law for personal gain. Trump systematically eroded nonpartisan safeguards designed to prevent abuses of power.

Remember, he pardoned or commuted sentences of his felonious cronies Roger Stone, Paul Manafort and Michael Flynn; in Flynn’s instance, his Justice Department earlier had moved to abandon the case, even after Flynn had twice pleaded guilty. Attorney General William Barr deliberately misled the public as to the contents of special counsel Robert Mueller’s report on ties between Trump’s campaign and Russia. And Trump pressured Barr and others to find nonexistent fraud in the election that ousted him.

Trump abused power for revenge and personal gain. This can't be our new normal: Swalwell

Trump ignored the rule of law, eroded nonpartisan safeguards and followed the dictator's playbook to weaponize law enforcement against me and others.

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