Trumps "immunity" defence is punctured by the first question

[Tommy Tainant]

Judge Florence Pan started off her questioning of Trump lawyer John Sauer by offering a novel scenario.

“Could a president who ordered SEAL Team Six to assassinate a political rival and was not impeached, could he be subjected to criminal prosecution?” Pan asked.

After some back and forth, Sauer said, “Qualified yes, if he’s impeached and convicted first.”

Trump doubles down after DC hearing: âMost people agree that weâre entitled to immunityâ â as it happened

If the judges rule in favor of Trump, it could lead to the dropping of the criminal charges brought by special counsel Jack Smith

www.theguardian.com

This is not how democracies run. It is how imperial dictators run things. The US fought against this but perhaps the founders had not considered a trump when forming the constitution.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Judge Florence Pan started off her questioning of Trump lawyer John Sauer by offering a novel scenario.

“Could a president who ordered SEAL Team Six to assassinate a political rival and was not impeached, could he be subjected to criminal prosecution?” Pan asked.

After some back and forth, Sauer said, “Qualified yes, if he’s impeached and convicted first.”

Trump doubles down after DC hearing: âMost people agree that weâre entitled to immunityâ â as it happened

If the judges rule in favor of Trump, it could lead to the dropping of the criminal charges brought by special counsel Jack Smith

www.theguardian.com

This is not how democracies run. It is how imperial dictators run things. The US fought against this but perhaps the founders had not considered a trump when forming the constitution.

Trump doubles down after DC hearing: âMost people agree that weâre entitled to immunityâ â as it happened

If the judges rule in favor of Trump, it could lead to the dropping of the criminal charges brought by special counsel Jack Smith

www.theguardian.com

Its going really badly. The judges arent having it at all. How did he think this would fly with adults ? Educated people.

 

[rightwinger]

Trumps argument seems to be that anything goes unless you are impeached.
A President is immune from prosecution even after he has left office.

So, in this case……Committing a criminal act two weeks before you leave office where Congress does not have time to impeach ……leaves you immune from prosecution

 

[rightwinger]

Impeachment is a political process
A criminal prosecution is a judicial process

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Impeachment is a political process
A criminal prosecution is a judicial process

Its not a legal process and the outcome depends on who has the majority.
He is suggesting that a pres with a healthy majority is above the law.
Its nonsense.

 

[Seymour Flops]

So, in this case……Committing a criminal act two weeks before you leave office where Congress does not have time to impeach ……leaves you immune from prosecution

Congress can impeach anytime. While the president is in office after the president is in office. After the president dies. Make your arguments but please try to stick to facts.

In fact, Congress did impeach him after he left office, specifically for inciting an insurrection. Naturally, he was acquitted the charge being so bizarrely counterfactual.

 

[rightwinger]

Congress can impeach anytime. While the president is in office after the president is in office. After the president dies. Make your arguments but please try to stick to facts.

In fact, Congress did impeach him after he left office, specifically for inciting an insurrection. Naturally, he was acquitted the charge being so bizarrely counterfactual.

With Trump, that appears not to be so

Congress members specifically voted against impeachment because Trump was no longer in office
They considered it moot

At the time, Impeachment had two results. Remove Trump from office and prevent him from holding future office.

Making him eligible for criminal prosecution was never raised and Mitch McConnell specifically stated Trump could still be held responsible for his actions

 

[BlindBoo]

Congress can impeach anytime. While the president is in office after the president is in office. After the president dies. Make your arguments but please try to stick to facts.

In fact, Congress did impeach him after he left office, specifically for inciting an insurrection. Naturally, he was acquitted the charge being so bizarrely counterfactual.

McConnell acquitted him on a techincallity, not facts. As he said after the Senate trial:

"January 6th was a disgrace.

American citizens attacked their own government. They used terrorism to try to stop a specific piece of democratic business they did not like.

Fellow Americans beat and bloodied our own police. They stormed the Senate floor. They tried to hunt down the Speaker of the House. They built a gallows and chanted about murdering the vice president.

They did this because they had been fed wild falsehoods by the most powerful man on Earth – because he was angry he'd lost an election.

Former President Trump's actions preceding the riot were a disgraceful dereliction of duty.

The House accused the former president of, quote, "incitement." That is a specific term from the criminal law.
Let me put that to the side for one moment and reiterate something I said weeks ago: There is no question that President Trump is practically and morally responsible for provoking the events of that day.

The people who stormed this building believed they were acting on the wishes and instructions of their president.
And their having that belief was a foreseeable consequence of the growing crescendo of false statements, conspiracy theories, and reckless hyperbole which the defeated president kept shouting into the largest megaphone on planet Earth."

https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2021-02-14/read-mcconnell-speech-after-trumps-impeachment-trial-acquittal

"Indeed, Justice Story specifically reminded that while former officials were not eligible for impeachment or conviction, they were – and this is extremely important – "still liable to be tried and punished in the ordinary tribunals of justice."
Put anther way, in the language of today: President Trump is still liable for everything he did while he was in office, as an ordinary citizen, unless the statute of limitations has run, still liable for everything he did while in office, didn't get away with anything yet – yet.

We have a criminal justice system in this country. We have civil litigation. And former presidents are not immune from being held accountable by either one."

 

[BluesLegend]

Blah blah blah, the Trump SCOTUS will bitch slap this Dem attack on democracy.

 

[0311]

By the logic used by P01135809's shyster, President Biden could order P01135809 to be killed and get away with it.

The argument is not valid. Impeachment is a political process to remove a president from office. Had just a few more Republican Senator's had the balls to in favor of impeachment instead being shit scared being primaried we would not be facing a man who hell bent on becoming a Fascist Dictator.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

In fact, Congress did impeach him after he left office, specifically for inciting an insurrection. Naturally, he was acquitted the charge being so bizarrely counterfactual.

this is false. Trump was impeached on January 13, 2021. Even though he had left DC and quit doing anything that a POTUS should so, he was still the POTUS

 

[Independentthinker]

Judge Florence Pan started off her questioning of Trump lawyer John Sauer by offering a novel scenario.

“Could a president who ordered SEAL Team Six to assassinate a political rival and was not impeached, could he be subjected to criminal prosecution?” Pan asked.

After some back and forth, Sauer said, “Qualified yes, if he’s impeached and convicted first.”

Trump doubles down after DC hearing: âMost people agree that weâre entitled to immunityâ â as it happened

If the judges rule in favor of Trump, it could lead to the dropping of the criminal charges brought by special counsel Jack Smith

www.theguardian.com

This is not how democracies run. It is how imperial dictators run things. The US fought against this but perhaps the founders had not considered a trump when forming the constitution.

The founders had not considered Democrats would be taking democracy away.

 

[0311]

this is false. Trump was impeached on January 13, 2021. Even though he had left DC and quit doing anything that a POTUS should so, he was still the POTUS

P01135809 remained president until Joe Biden took the Oath of Office. The argument fails on the premise P01135809 was no longer president. His term of officed ended on Janary 21, 2021.

His sulking pity party at Joint Force Adrews showed him in front Air Force One. It ceased being AF1 when Mr. Biden took the Oath of Office.

 

[0311]

Trump Immunity Claim Gets Frosty Reception At Appeals Court.

Trump’s immunity claim gets frosty reception at appeals court

With Trump looking on, three judges grilled his lawyer on his claim that he cannot be prosecuted for subverting the 2020 election.

www.politico.com

A federal appeals court panel strongly suggested Tuesday that it would reject former President Donald Trump’s claims of immunity from criminal charges related to his effort to subvert the 2020 election.

With Trump looking on, a three-judge panel expressed deep skepticism of his contention that a president could not be prosecuted — even for assassinating a rival or selling military secrets — if he were not first impeached and convicted by Congress.

“I think it’s paradoxical to say that his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed allows him to violate criminal law,” said Judge Karen Henderson, a George H.W. Bush appointee.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

The founders had not considered Democrats would be taking democracy away.

As I said, they would probably prefer to not have to deal with such a scoundrel and his wickedness.

Not only that a character like trump was not envisaged but also the retardation of the population to promote such an unsuitable piece of shit.

But who could imagine things would get so bad ?

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Trump Immunity Claim Gets Frosty Reception At Appeals Court.

Trump’s immunity claim gets frosty reception at appeals court

With Trump looking on, three judges grilled his lawyer on his claim that he cannot be prosecuted for subverting the 2020 election.

www.politico.com

A federal appeals court panel strongly suggested Tuesday that it would reject former President Donald Trump’s claims of immunity from criminal charges related to his effort to subvert the 2020 election.

With Trump looking on, a three-judge panel expressed deep skepticism of his contention that a president could not be prosecuted — even for assassinating a rival or selling military secrets — if he were not first impeached and convicted by Congress.

“I think it’s paradoxical to say that his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed allows him to violate criminal law,” said Judge Karen Henderson, a George H.W. Bush appointee.

Three female Judges as well He must have been ready to explode.

 

[Independentthinker]

As I said, they would probably prefer to not have to deal with such a scoundrel and his wickedness.

But who could imagine things would get so bad ?

So why on Earth would you support Biden?

 

[rightwinger]

What Mitch McConnell said after voting against Impeaching Trump


"Indeed, Justice Story specifically reminded that while former officials were not eligible for impeachment or conviction, they were – and this is extremely important – "still liable to be tried and punished in the ordinary tribunals of justice."
Put anther way, in the language of today: President Trump is still liable for everything he did while he was in office, as an ordinary citizen, unless the statute of limitations has run, still liable for everything he did while in office, didn't get away with anything yet – yet.



At the time, Republicans said impeachment wasn’t needed for Trump to be held criminally liable once he is no longer President
Now, Republicans are saying he is not liable unless he was impeached first

 

[Tommy Tainant]

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Painful stuff from Sauer.