Trump's Gauntlet

[daveman]

Hur didn’t think he could convince a jury that it was intentional.

It would have been extremely easy to convince a jury Trump did it intentionally. Hell, Trump himself said so.

Hur was protecting a Democrat. Period. End of story.

 

[daveman]

You do know that the guy who tried to report the bribery scheme is being prosecuted for making it up, right?

Not at all surprising. People who blow the whistle on Democrats tend to get prosecuted.

 

[Marener]

Hur was protecting a Democrat. Period. End of story.

By all accounts, Hur is nonpartisan and a straight shooter. He clerked in law school for two conservative judges.

Just because you didn’t get what you want doesn’t mean he was acting in bad faith.

 

[Concerned American]

Not at all surprising. People who blow the whistle on Democrats tend to get prosecuted.

persecuted and Clintoned.

 

[Marener]

Not at all surprising. People who blow the whistle on Democrats tend to get prosecuted.

Or he’s lying about it all and the DoJ has plenty of evidence to support the prosecution.

Did you read his indictment? The “whistleblower” clearly had an anti-Biden bias and only “remembered” this extremely alarming and incriminating information far later when Republican allegations became more widespread.

 

[Marener]

persecuted and Clintoned.

Conservatism has become rife with grifters and frauds.

Yet you’re still angry that they face consequences for their crimes despite making you guys look incredibly stupid.

Your insistence on never admitting you’re wrong is pathologic.

 

[Concerned American]

only “remembered” this extremely alarming and incriminating information far later

Gee, that sounds like the people who presented evidence in Trump trials. E. Jean Carroll doesn't remember that Trump raped her until 30 years later. Christine Blasey Ford doesn't remember that Brett Kavanaugh raped her until 40 years later. LOL. You're hypocrisy is raising its ugly head again.

 

[Marener]

Gee, that sounds like the people who presented evidence in Trump trials. E. Jean Carroll doesn't remember that Trump raped her until 30 years later. Christine Blasey Ford doesn't remember that Brett Kavanaugh raped her until 40 years later. LOL. Your hypocrisy is raising its ugly head again.

Not at all. They merely came forward at a time of their choosing. They didn’t forget. They just held it inside, which many rape victims do.

The FBI source had been working with the FBI when the supposed conversation took place yet didn’t mention it in 2017. He had to revise his previous statement years later to totally change his course. It’s far different than choosing to come forward after the fact. He already had been a source.

 

[daveman]

By all accounts, Hur is nonpartisan and a straight shooter. He clerked in law school for two conservative judges.

Just because you didn’t get what you want doesn’t mean he was acting in bad faith.

So, old, doddering Democrats can get away with breaking the law.

 

[daveman]

Or he’s lying about it all and the DoJ has plenty of evidence to support the prosecution.

Did you read his indictment? The “whistleblower” clearly had an anti-Biden bias and only “remembered” this extremely alarming and incriminating information far later when Republican allegations became more widespread.

Oh, you mean like the women who suddenly "remember" being raped by Trump and SCOTUS Justice nominees.

 

[Marener]

So, old, doddering Democrats can get away with breaking the law.

It helps when you don’t break the law more during the investigation, wouldn’t you say?

 

[daveman]

It helps when you don’t break the law more during the investigation, wouldn’t you say?

Doesn't matter, if you're a Democrat.

 

[Marener]

Doesn't matter, if you're a Democrat.

Sure it matters and I explained why.

Of course you don’t have anything to say about it because your talking points only go so far.

 

[daveman]

Sure it matters and I explained why.

Of course you don’t have anything to say about it because your talking points only go so far.

I gave up long ago trying to convince leftists of anything.

 

[Marener]

I gave up long ago trying to convince leftists of anything.

You don’t even try. It seems like you’re used to being told what to believe and never why you should believe it.

It’s all about the narrative.

Don’t like that Hur didn’t recommend prosecution? He’s a leftist now. Doesn’t matter if it’s true or not. It only matters that it fits the narrative.

Don’t want to admit Trump was prosecuted because he broke the law? Ignore the obstruction of justice and witness tampering. Pretend it didn’t happen. It doesn’t fit the narrative.

 

[TimFitz]

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No matter your opinion of Trump, the gauntlet he had to face for a second term is unprecedented and impressive.

Here is the timeline

1. In April 2016 — before Trump even won the GOP nomination — Politico reported that there was talk of impeaching Trump soon after he took office, were he to be nominated for the presidency and win. Then-U.S. Rep. Alan Grayson, D-Fla., said at the time that if Trump insisted on building a wall at the U.S.-Mexico border despite Congress’s opposition, his actions could lead down a path toward impeachment.

2. On 6/18/16, the first assassination attempt of Trump was conducted in Las Vegas

3. In December 2016, five Democratic senators, including 2020 presidential candidate Elizabeth Warren, announced they would introduce a bill to require Trump to divest assets that could pose a conflict of interest in his role as president. They said the legislation would symbolically make violations of federal conflict-of-interest rules "a high crime or misdemeanor under the impeachment clause of the U.S. Constitution."

Democrats wanted Trump impeached from the start because he deserved it

Trump started committing impeachable offenses years ago, a letter writer says.

www.latimes.com

4. On 9/6/17 a man in North Dakota admitted to trying to kill Trump with a forklift.

5. In December of 2019, Covid hit the US as the media continually blamed Trump for the outbreak. Every day the media would proclaim how many lives died under Trump and that Trump was to blame. Trump fast forwarded a vaccine to try and combat the virus, only to have it Ok'd to be used a week after the election in which he lost to Biden, essentially because the world blamed Trump for the virus and its ill effects and his supposed incompetence to manage the virus. After Biden came into office, more people died under his watch with a vaccine to fight it, yet was not held to account like Trump. In fact, Biden accused Trump of xenophobia for stopping plane rides from China to the US when the outbreak first occurred. Then to add insult to injury, Biden mandated the Trump vaccine as he used it to club dissent from the Trump supporters and never gave Trump the credit for the vaccine in the first place.

6. On 1/16/20 the first articles of impeachment were passed by the House for Obstruction of Justice over a Russian collusion charge that took an investigation 3 years to determine, only to have it fall short in the Senate.

7. On 1/13/21, the second articles of impeachment were passed by the House, despite the fact that Trump was going to leave office in less than a month anyway. This was over a charge of trying to of trying to create an insurrection to overthrow the election results. It too later fell flat in the Senate.

8. In 2019, Jean Caroll sued Trump for defamation, for saying she was lying about him raping her in 1995. In a New York court, she won millions.

9. In 2022, Jean Caroll sued Trump again for defamation once again, as he defended himself once again as being innocent and her lying. Another New York court agreed as she won more money. Meanwhile, Biden was accused by Tara Reid of rape which he denied saying she was lying, and nothing was done about it.

10. 3/23, Indictments for Trump falsifying records with 34 charges was presented in another New York Court and upheld, later turning a misdemeanor into a felony for bad bookkeeping.

11. On 6/23 another indictment was issued with 40 charges related to Trump having confidential documents that should be returned, much like Biden and Pence and Obama had in their possession but never pursued legally as a criminal for.

12. On 8/23 another indictment was issued against Trump with 4 charges of trying to overthrow an election

13. On 8/23 another indictment was issued with 8 charges for trying to change election outcomes.

So, what can the Left do to Trump it has not already tried to do? Will they do everything in their power to crash the economy, or maybe hope China springs another virus?

The Democrats have essentially neutered themselves in challenging the election results because they have demonized anyone who might challenge them.

I think it was a mistake by the courts to not allow the case brought by Trump to be heard. I realize that courts have the right to dismiss cases they deem unsubstantiated, but that was not normal court case. The courts had a duty to present the case before the American people to show them if was unsubstantiated, but failed epically.

Yes, it was quite a gauntlet. Most of which he brought on himself.

A couple of items of note.

Item 3. The proposal by five Democratic Senators to require Trump to divest his assets. This didn’t go anywhere because the law already required it. Elected officials have typically put assets into a blind trust.

Trump, of course, didn’t obey that law. Instead, he concocted an elaborate ruse involving his adult children. While his children had nominal control, Trump retained final decision making, and all the profits went directly to him. There was nothing legal about this scheme. Fortunately, Trump has a compliant Attorney General, so the matter was never pursued.

10. Bad bookeeping had nothing to do with it. Trump’s loan applications, tax filing, and other relevant documents were elaborate works of fiction. Trump was an active participant in all of them. While it took the courts a long time to pursue these matters, Wall Street knew right away. By 2000, no one would loan on a Trump deal. For the next 20 years, he stayed afloat on a sea of Russian money launderers, and financing from banks owned by Russian oligarchs, or associated with them.


Items 11, 12 ,and 13 are examples of Trump bringing it on himself. He is dead to rights guilty on all counts. But these too, will no longer be followed up on.

One of Donald Trump’s greatest talents is his ability to skate though crises of his own making.

 

[TimFitz]

Because the rule of law DOES matter. The political persecutions that the democrats have presided over against this man for eight years are criminal. The best thing that could have happened is what occurred on Nov. 5, 2024. A Trump presidency, a conservative senate and hopefully republican house. Happy Days are here again.

Because we are returning to the rule of law, not the rule of "You hurt my feelings so I'm going to throw a temper tantrum and twist the law to my own illegal use." Gaslighting doesn't work anymore, moron. I would have thought you would have learned something last night. LOL, SMH, democrats are some kind of stupid.

Not to Trump or his supporters.

 

[daveman]

You don’t even try. It seems like you’re used to being told what to believe and never why you should believe it.

It’s all about the narrative.

Don’t like that Hur didn’t recommend prosecution? He’s a leftist now. Doesn’t matter if it’s true or not. It only matters that it fits the narrative.

Don’t want to admit Trump was prosecuted because he broke the law? Ignore the obstruction of justice and witness tampering. Pretend it didn’t happen. It doesn’t fit the narrative.

You seem to think you're entitled to my time, proving my points to you.

Thing is, you won't consider anything that you don't already believe.

So I'm not going to waste my time trying to convince you.

You may flounce off now.

 

[Marener]

You seem to think you're entitled to my time, proving my points to you.

Thing is, you won't consider anything that you don't already believe.

So I'm not going to waste my time trying to convince you.

You may flounce off now.

People participate in discussion groups to have discussions.

If that’s not your intent, you’re just trolling.

Most like what is happening here is that you’re incapable of discussing because all you have is dogma. You either know I’m true and don’t care or haven’t the self awareness to see this yourself, in which case your reply is merely self defense for ego integrity.

Reflect on this.

 

[daveman]

People participate in discussion groups to have discussions.

If that’s not your intent, you’re just trolling.

Most like what is happening here is that you’re incapable of discussing because all you have is dogma. You either know I’m true and don’t care or haven’t the self awareness to see this yourself, in which case your reply is merely self defense for ego integrity.

Reflect on this.

IF U DONT AGREE WITH ME UR DUMB

That's exactly how you sound.