Trump's election should trigger new ideas in politics.

[Votto]

Politics is a dirty vocation.

You mean a filthy vocation

You owe an apology to dirt.

 

[Hafar1014]

I prefer to leave corporations out of the picture entirely

Thanks for asking.

THats not a good idea because consumers have leverage of corporations. The business must please you or you go to one that does. When business doesn't meet your needs they go broke

 

[Mack The Finger]

This thread reminds me there are a lot of nuts on the WWW.

 

[Hafar1014]

This thread reminds me there are a lot of nuts on the WWW.

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Of course not they are violent. Jordan expelled them so did Egypt

 

[Votto]

THats not a good idea because consumers have leverage of corporations. The business must please you or you go to one that does. When business doesn't meet your needs they go broke

You mean that the customer would demand that corporations and hospitals compete for their business.

LOL.

Yea, that is an added benefit and not a problem.

Try again.

 

[forkup]

I have always felt that regarding health care people should be allowed to put money into a tax-sheltered account to pay for health care costs that never expires and can be passed down from generation to generation. If you did this, it would not let anyone fall through the "cracks". You could even make a provision where they can share it with friends or even complete strangers, if they so choose. What it would do is, provide those who are lucky enough not to have health problems save up a tremendous amount of money, which would bolster the market and economy and, if they are fortunate enough, along with their family members down the road, create pockets of the population that are neither dependent on the government nor corporate America for their health care needs that would only grow and grow and grow.

But alas, the last thing that government or corporate America want who are people who are not completely dependent upon them.

There is such a thing as generational poverty just like there is generational wealth. What would happen in that case? Not for nothing it would be a bit unfair to rural populations for starters. Not to mention minorities.

 

[Votto]

There is such a thing as generational poverty just like there is generational wealth. What would happen in that case? Not for nothing it would be a bit unfair to rural populations for starters. Not to mention minorities.

No generational wealth and poverty?

What are you babbling about? Of course there is.

Look around man!

Why did Hunter Biden sell his painted pictures for hundreds of millions of dollars but can't sell one now that is daddy is not the President anymore?

Hmm?

 

[Hafar1014]

No generational wealth and poverty?

What are you babbling about? Of course there is.

Look around man!

Why did Hunter Biden sell his painted pictures for hundreds of millions of dollars but can't sell one now that is daddy is not the President anymore?

Hmm?

Money laundering bribes thats how

 

[Independent thinker]

I have no aspirations to go into politics but if I did I would run on new ideas. One of those ideas would be to make income taxes voluntary for anyone with a net worth less than a million dollars. This would include both state and federal income taxes. People with meager net worths that think income taxes are a good idea could decide to pay the tax to fund all the Great Society programs that keep them poor by encouraging them to stay in the system by not supporting their own children. My guess is that the current tax code fosters voluntary poverty already indirectly.

One of the major problems in our society is that the government is flush with cash from the income tax code. This is why bad things happen, and we end up with males playing female sports and a zeitgeist of anti-white hate promoted by the Fed and the government funded Department of Education. It's also why all these wars are going on to finance the Military Industrial Complex that Eisenhower warned us about.


If you want to defeat a beast that is eating your rights as a human being you need to stop feeding that beast.

I say we go back to the old days where only property owners paid taxes and only property owners could vote. That sounds fair, doesn't it?

 

[Votto]

Money laundering bribes thats how

My point is that Hunter's wealth was passed down from his father. Hunter did nothing but drugs and strippers to earn his wealth. Hunter has accomplished nothing in life other than helping to destroy his father's political career.

And if you live in poverty, odd are you will stay there.

 

[22lcidw]

If you're serious about making income tax voluntary for people under a certain net worth, then basic fairness would demand those opting out also renounce access to everything funded by tax dollars, infrastructure, public education, emergency services, regulatory protections, social security, defense, the internet (which was publicly funded), etc.

So unless you’re planning to live in a shack off-grid, grow your own food, and forego all modern conveniences, including this very platform you're using to complain, the logic folds in on itself.

Freedom doesn’t mean opting out of collective responsibility. It means participating in shaping the system you benefit from.

Government employees, monopoly employees, privileged union employees take a lot of taxation and or effect on costs. Just to start. People generally do not want to pay for that and those who benefit even leave the areas that gave them a good life.

 

[Billiejeens]

If you're serious about making income tax voluntary for people under a certain net worth, then basic fairness would demand those opting out also renounce access to everything funded by tax dollars, infrastructure, public education, emergency services, regulatory protections, social security, defense, the internet (which was publicly funded), etc.

So unless you’re planning to live in a shack off-grid, grow your own food, and forego all modern conveniences, including this very platform you're using to complain, the logic folds in on itself.

Freedom doesn’t mean opting out of collective responsibility. It means participating in shaping the system you benefit from.

Half of the country already doesn't pay income tax.
Obviously, you are for that half renouncing everything funded by taxpayers, yes?

 

[forkup]

No generational wealth and poverty?

What are you babbling about? Of course there is.

Look around man!

Why did Hunter Biden sell his painted pictures for hundreds of millions of dollars but can't sell one now that is daddy is not the President anymore?

Hmm?

No, I think you misunderstood my point.

I wasn’t denying the existence of generational wealth or poverty. I was saying that your proposal doesn't seem to account for people who are stuck in generational poverty, people who never get a real shot at building savings in the first place, no matter how early they start.

Let me give you a personal example. My mother-in-law wasn’t poor. She was a registered nurse and head nurse in a prison for the criminally insane. She had state insurance, Medicare, a pension, a home, and some savings. But when she was forced into early retirement due to health issues, none of that protected her from medical bankruptcy.

So, if someone like her, with a middle-class salary, benefits, and assets, couldn't afford to stay afloat medically, what are the chances for a family in the Appalachian Mountains, stuck in poverty for generations, to save enough to cover their healthcare needs?