Trump's election should trigger new ideas in politics.

[Raynine]

I have no aspirations to go into politics but if I did I would run on new ideas. One of those ideas would be to make income taxes voluntary for anyone with a net worth less than a million dollars. This would include both state and federal income taxes. People with meager net worths that think income taxes are a good idea could decide to pay the tax to fund all the Great Society programs that keep them poor by encouraging them to stay in the system by not supporting their own children. My guess is that the current tax code fosters voluntary poverty already indirectly.

One of the major problems in our society is that the government is flush with cash from the income tax code. This is why bad things happen, and we end up with males playing female sports and a zeitgeist of anti-white hate promoted by the Fed and the government funded Department of Education. It's also why all these wars are going on to finance the Military Industrial Complex that Eisenhower warned us about.


If you want to defeat a beast that is eating your rights as a human being you need to stop feeding that beast.

 

[forkup]

I have no aspirations to go into politics but if I did I would run on new ideas. One of those ideas would be to make income taxes voluntary for anyone with a net worth less than a million dollars. This would include both state and federal income taxes. People with meager net worths that think income taxes are a good idea could decide to pay the tax to fund all the Great Society programs that keep them poor by encouraging them to stay in the system by not supporting their own children. My guess is that the current tax code fosters voluntary poverty already indirectly.

One of the major problems in our society is that the government is flush with cash from the income tax code. This is why bad things happen, and we end up with males playing female sports and a zeitgeist of anti-white hate promoted by the Fed and the government funded Department of Education. It's also why all these wars are going on to finance the Military Industrial Complex that Eisenhower warned us about.


If you want to defeat a beast that is eating your rights as a human being you need to stop feeding that beast.

If you're serious about making income tax voluntary for people under a certain net worth, then basic fairness would demand those opting out also renounce access to everything funded by tax dollars, infrastructure, public education, emergency services, regulatory protections, social security, defense, the internet (which was publicly funded), etc.

So unless you’re planning to live in a shack off-grid, grow your own food, and forego all modern conveniences, including this very platform you're using to complain, the logic folds in on itself.

Freedom doesn’t mean opting out of collective responsibility. It means participating in shaping the system you benefit from.

 

[Raynine]

If you're serious about making income tax voluntary for people under a certain net worth, then basic fairness would demand those opting out also renounce access to everything funded by tax dollars, infrastructure, public education, emergency services, regulatory protections, social security, defense, the internet (which was publicly funded), etc.

So unless you’re planning to live in a shack off-grid, grow your own food, and forego all modern conveniences, including this very platform you're using to complain, the logic folds in on itself.

Freedom doesn’t mean opting out of collective responsibility. It means participating in shaping the system you benefit from.

You went right to the bedridden arguments that are false and corrupt. Spoiler alert: The patient is dead. If massive taxation is such a great idea then let the people volunteer for that great idea.

 

[forkup]

You went right to the bedridden arguments that are false and corrupt. Spoiler alert: The patient is dead. If massive taxation is such a great idea then let the people volunteer for that great idea.

Ok if the argument is "bedridden" you should be able to explain why, instead of stating it is.

So what about my assertions are unsound?

 

[Raynine]

Ok if the argument is "bedridden" you should be able to explain why, instead of stating it is.

So what about my assertions are unsound?

Your assertions are unsound because they do not work and the country is in a mess because of it. The only real solution is to keep as much wealth as possible in the pockets of the people and keep it out of the hands of the government.

 

[Votto]

If you're serious about making income tax voluntary for people under a certain net worth, then basic fairness would demand those opting out also renounce access to everything funded by tax dollars, infrastructure, public education, emergency services, regulatory protections, social security, defense, the internet (which was publicly funded), etc.

So unless you’re planning to live in a shack off-grid, grow your own food, and forego all modern conveniences, including this very platform you're using to complain, the logic folds in on itself.

Freedom doesn’t mean opting out of collective responsibility. It means participating in shaping the system you benefit from.

What you could do is say if you make under a million a year, for example, you can opt out of social programs.

Naturally, some they will benefit from regardless, like national defense, but you could have them opt out of things like Medicare and social security, which I think many in the Middle Class might actually do since when you look at your paycheck and see how much government it taking from you, it makes more and more sense for you to do exactly that.

But no, the government has no interest in your rights or your wellbeing, because the beast needs fed. Neither party will offer you this, ever!!!!!!!

 

[forkup]

Your assertions are unsound because they do not work and the country is in a mess because of it. The only real solution is to keep as much wealth as possible in the pockets of the people and keep it out of the hands of the government.

Not an explanation simply more assertions.

The government pays for all the things mentioned, if you want to contest that, please do, and I'll be happy to respond.

If you want to make the argument that this can be funded differently, pose the alternative and I'll be happy to respond. Simply saying I'm wrong, I can't respond too.

Now if you just want to scream in the void and get a participation medal from those on the board that are like-minded that's fine just say so. But if you want to defend your beliefs, then you will have to, you know... actually defend them.

 

[forkup]

What you could do is say if you make under a million a year, for example, you can opt out of social programs.

Naturally, some they will benefit from regardless, like national defense, but you could have them opt out of things like Medicare and social security, which I think many in the Middle Class might actually do since when you look at your paycheck and see how much government it taking from you, it makes more and more sense for you to do exactly that.

But no, the government has no interest in your rights or your wellbeing, because the beast needs fed. Neither party will offer you this, ever!!!!!!!

It’s a bit more than just “some” things. Basic infrastructure, public health regulation, even the internet as we know it, all rely on public funding, directly or indirectly. You can’t meaningfully opt out of those.

As for Social Security and Medicare: the U.S. already has the most expensive healthcare system in the world, and it's unaffordable for many even with insurance. So let’s say we let people opt out, I only see two outcomes:

1. Many of those people, like most humans, eventually get sick or injured and end up with no coverage, meaning no care.


2. Or, once enough of them hit crisis, the government steps in and pays anyway, which just redistributes the cost back to the rest of you.



I don’t see a third viable option. Do you?

 

[Raynine]

It’s a bit more than just “some” things. Basic infrastructure, public health regulation, even the internet as we know it — all rely on public funding, directly or indirectly. You can’t meaningfully opt out of those.

As for Social Security and Medicare: the U.S. already has the most expensive healthcare system in the world, and it's unaffordable for many even with insurance. So let’s say we let people opt out — I only see two outcomes:

1. Many of those people, like most humans, eventually get sick or injured and end up with no coverage — meaning no care.


2. Or, once enough of them hit crisis, the government steps in and pays anyway — which just redistributes the cost back to the rest of us.



I don’t see a third viable option. Do you?

Who said anything about opting out of government supplied and funded benefits? Those things would all be paid for by people with higher net worths. It's a way of giving back to a system that made it possible to get rich.

 

[forkup]

Who said anything about opting out of government supplied and funded benefits? Those things would all be paid for by people with higher net worths. It's a way of giving back to a system that made it possible to get rich.

One of those ideas would be to make income taxes voluntary for anyone with a net worth less than a million dollars.

You did. Unless you have another suggestion how the government should pay for the supplied, and under your scheme unfunded benefits.

Again you are welcome to elaborate on how you see it working.

 

[elektra]

Of all the stupid opinions based on the propaganda the democrats put out.

New ideas? New idiocy is more like it.

 

[candycorn]

Your assertions are unsound because they do not work and the country is in a mess because of it. The only real solution is to keep as much wealth as possible in the pockets of the people and keep it out of the hands of the government.

And in the next thread, you'll applaud every tariff your God dreams up...all of which takes money out of your hands and transfers them to....wait for it...the government.

 

[rightwinger]

I have no aspirations to go into politics but if I did I would run on new ideas. One of those ideas would be to make income taxes voluntary for anyone with a net worth less than a million dollars.

You sound like a Democrat

 

[Hafar1014]

I have no aspirations to go into politics but if I did I would run on new ideas. One of those ideas would be to make income taxes voluntary for anyone with a net worth less than a million dollars. This would include both state and federal income taxes. People with meager net worths that think income taxes are a good idea could decide to pay the tax to fund all the Great Society programs that keep them poor by encouraging them to stay in the system by not supporting their own children. My guess is that the current tax code fosters voluntary poverty already indirectly.

One of the major problems in our society is that the government is flush with cash from the income tax code. This is why bad things happen, and we end up with males playing female sports and a zeitgeist of anti-white hate promoted by the Fed and the government funded Department of Education. It's also why all these wars are going on to finance the Military Industrial Complex that Eisenhower warned us about.


If you want to defeat a beast that is eating your rights as a human being you need to stop feeding that beast.

Its the green energy industrial complex thats the problem today

 

[Raynine]

You sound like a Democrat

It is just a label.

 

[Votto]

It’s a bit more than just “some” things. Basic infrastructure, public health regulation, even the internet as we know it, all rely on public funding, directly or indirectly. You can’t meaningfully opt out of those.

As for Social Security and Medicare: the U.S. already has the most expensive healthcare system in the world, and it's unaffordable for many even with insurance. So let’s say we let people opt out, I only see two outcomes:

1. Many of those people, like most humans, eventually get sick or injured and end up with no coverage, meaning no care.


2. Or, once enough of them hit crisis, the government steps in and pays anyway, which just redistributes the cost back to the rest of you.



I don’t see a third viable option. Do you?

I have always felt that regarding health care people should be allowed to put money into a tax-sheltered account to pay for health care costs that never expires and can be passed down from generation to generation. If you did this, it would not let anyone fall through the "cracks". You could even make a provision where they can share it with friends or even complete strangers, if they so choose. What it would do is, provide those who are lucky enough not to have health problems save up a tremendous amount of money, which would bolster the market and economy and, if they are fortunate enough, along with their family members down the road, create pockets of the population that are neither dependent on the government nor corporate America for their health care needs that would only grow and grow and grow.

But alas, the last thing that government or corporate America want who are people who are not completely dependent upon them.

 

[22lcidw]

I have no aspirations to go into politics but if I did I would run on new ideas. One of those ideas would be to make income taxes voluntary for anyone with a net worth less than a million dollars. This would include both state and federal income taxes. People with meager net worths that think income taxes are a good idea could decide to pay the tax to fund all the Great Society programs that keep them poor by encouraging them to stay in the system by not supporting their own children. My guess is that the current tax code fosters voluntary poverty already indirectly.

One of the major problems in our society is that the government is flush with cash from the income tax code. This is why bad things happen, and we end up with males playing female sports and a zeitgeist of anti-white hate promoted by the Fed and the government funded Department of Education. It's also why all these wars are going on to finance the Military Industrial Complex that Eisenhower warned us about.


If you want to defeat a beast that is eating your rights as a human being you need to stop feeding that beast.

Once the government tit was established and people started receiving checks and benefits, the system was forever changed. Very few would give it up and it is normal to think that way. It's always going to be it is not enough and it expands. Proponents on these boards will compare highways projects or public schools with every other program even if it is not comparable.

 

[Hafar1014]

I have always felt that regarding health care people should be allowed to put money into a tax-sheltered account to pay for health care costs that never expires and can be passed down from generation to generation. If you did this, it would not let anyone fall through the "cracks". You could even make a provision where they can share it with friends or even complete strangers, if they so choose. What it would do is, provide those who are lucky enough not to have health problems save up a tremendous amount of money, which would bolster the market and economy and, if they are fortunate enough, along with their family members down the road, create pockets of the population that are neither dependent on the government nor corporate America for their health care needs.

But alas, the last thing the government or corporate America who are not dependent upon them.

A better way is to allow insurance to do that but you must own the policy.

 

[Blaster]

Politics is a dirty vocation.

 

[Votto]

A better way is to allow insurance to do that but you must own the policy.

I prefer to leave corporations out of the picture entirely

Thanks for asking.