Trump's compromise solution seems reasonable. Why are Democrats opposing this?

[candycorn]

Trump promised Mexico will pay for the wall. Tomorrow will be 2 years. How much have we gotten from Mexico so far?

We got a better trade deal, and we're gonna save billions when the wall is completed.

Keeping in mind that the money saved by this alleged “better” trade deal doesn’t mean more money in the US Federal coffers; it means better deals for our companies that buy and sell things to Mexico.

Actually, it does mean more money in federal coffers. Federal tax revenues are up under President Trump because the combination of the tax cuts and tariff protections have created more jobs and profits to tax.

"Taxes: Critics of the Trump tax cuts said they would blow a hole in the deficit. Yet individual income taxes climbed 6% in the just-ended fiscal year 2018, as the economy grew faster and created more jobs than expected.

The Treasury Department reported this week that individual income tax collections for FY 2018 totaled $1.7 trillion. That's up $14 billion from fiscal 2017, and an all-time high. And that's despite the fact that individual income tax rates got a significant cut this year as part of President Donald Trump's tax reform plan."

Trump Tax-Cut Results: Federal Revenues Hit All-Time Highs | Investor's Business Daily

Meanwhile back in reality... the national debt continues to grow; now over a trillion dollars a year.

That's a bogus narrative. We owe the money to ourselves. It's nothing but a scare tactic.

Oh…okay? LOL

So the national debt hasn’t grown? Or is Mexico going to pay for that too?

 

[Blackrook]

Trump promised Mexico will pay for the wall. Tomorrow will be 2 years. How much have we gotten from Mexico so far?

We got a better trade deal, and we're gonna save billions when the wall is completed.

Keeping in mind that the money saved by this alleged “better” trade deal doesn’t mean more money in the US Federal coffers; it means better deals for our companies that buy and sell things to Mexico.

Actually, it does mean more money in federal coffers. Federal tax revenues are up under President Trump because the combination of the tax cuts and tariff protections have created more jobs and profits to tax.

"Taxes: Critics of the Trump tax cuts said they would blow a hole in the deficit. Yet individual income taxes climbed 6% in the just-ended fiscal year 2018, as the economy grew faster and created more jobs than expected.

The Treasury Department reported this week that individual income tax collections for FY 2018 totaled $1.7 trillion. That's up $14 billion from fiscal 2017, and an all-time high. And that's despite the fact that individual income tax rates got a significant cut this year as part of President Donald Trump's tax reform plan."

Trump Tax-Cut Results: Federal Revenues Hit All-Time Highs | Investor's Business Daily

Meanwhile back in reality... the national debt continues to grow; now over a trillion dollars a year.

That's a bogus narrative. We owe the money to ourselves. It's nothing but a scare tactic.

Nope, much of the debt is owed to foreigners, like the Chinese.

As of September 2014, foreigners owned $6.06 trillion of U.S. debt, or approximately 47 percent of the debt held by the public of $12.8 trillion and 34 percent of the total debt of $17.8 trillion. As of 2018, the largest holders were China, Japan, Ireland, and Brazil.

National debt of the United States - Wikipedia

 

[occupied]

Quit acting as if this how the things are supposed to work or that there is anything reasonable about what Trump is demanding.

that there is anything reasonable about what Trump is demanding.

What part is unreasonable?

The shutdown is unreasonable. Why does Trump not restart the government and then enter into negotiations for a wall? The answer is obvious, he cannot get what he wants by the constitutionally mandated government procedures. The government is not supposed to work this way and he cannot be allowed to succeed.

Remember how the Democrats backstabbed George H.W. Bush after he relented and increased taxes?

That's why.

That explains nothing. Trump is trying to be a dictator and it seems republicans are going to let him. Once again it will fall to democrats to remind a republican president what his limits are.

You must have misse the Obama years.

I have no interest in your conspiracy theories. It's why Trump is acting so bewildered. He bought all those right-wing fairy stories of widespread illegality in the Obama administration and just can't figure out why he is having trouble getting away with stuff.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Democrats will have to explain to the American people why they won't agree to Trump's reasonable plan.

lol

No, they won’t.

Every American knows Trump is a reprehensible liar and completely dishonest – Trump can’t be trusted, and nothing he says can be believed.

And there’s nothing ‘reasonable’ about holding America hostage for his ‘wall’ of fear, bigotry, and hate that will do little to ensure border security.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

All he's asking for is $5 billion to bolster border security, which is a very tiny percentage of the national budget.

What's the problem, Democrats?

Wrong.

Democrats are proposing funding that will contribute to actual border security.

Trump is proposing to waste almost six billion dollars for 300 miles of ‘wall.’

 

[Lakhota]

All he's asking for is $5 billion to bolster border security, which is a very tiny percentage of the national budget.

What's the problem, Democrats?

Wrong.

Democrats are proposing funding that will contribute to actual border security.

Trump is proposing to waste almost six billion dollars for 300 miles of ‘wall.’

Not to also mention that Trump is trying to bargain with things he has previously taken away.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

It just seems the Democrats hate Trump, and that is their sole motivation to opposing the wall.

Hate is not a very rational motive for people who are supposed to be responsible.

At least you’re consistent at being wrong.

Democrats don’t ‘hate’ Trump – they oppose the fear, ignorance, bigotry, and hate that Trump represents and seeks to advance.

 

[Blackrook]

It just seems the Democrats hate Trump, and that is their sole motivation to opposing the wall.

Hate is not a very rational motive for people who are supposed to be responsible.

At least you’re consistent at being wrong.

Democrats don’t ‘hate’ Trump – they oppose the fear, ignorance, bigotry, and hate that Trump represents and seeks to advance.

Ah, I don't know. You sound like YOU hate him.

 

[Sandy Shanks]

Democrats will have to explain to the American people why they won't agree to Trump's reasonable plan.

Trump made a number of assumptions regarding his border wall. Obviously, his speech was designed strictly for his base -- meaning they are the only ones who would believe it. He made no attempt to reach out to the majority of Americans who feel he is solely responsible for the government shutdown. More importantly, he made no attempt to reach out to Democrats to reopen the government.

Trump feels the Democrats should come to the table and negotiate a compromise. He and McConnell are making a fundamental assumption. They are assuming both sides agree that Trump's wall is beneficial, and, therefore, the only issue is negotiating a compromise, a price.

That assumption is blatantly false. It has been from the very beginning, and Trump is incapable of understanding that. The Democrats, many Republicans in Congress, and the majority of the American people feel a border wall is essentially a bad idea. There are modern methods that are far more effective at making our border secure at less cost.

Trump made the assumption this his idea of negotiating is to work out a deal with his son-in-law and White House adviser Jared Kushner, acting chief of staff Mick Mulvaney and Vice President Mike Pence. They created this "broader compromise proposal." Democrats were not welcome.

Trump described a "humanitarian crisis" that largely takes place south of our border. He assumes his wall will cure this humanitarian crisis.

Trump attempted to scare us with a litany of crimes committed by illegal immigrants already in this country. He assumes his wall will eliminate many these crimes.

Trump lectured us on illegal drugs entering this country via the southern border. He assumes his wall will stop the flow of drugs. According to U.S. Customs and Border Protection statistics, 90 percent of heroin seized along the border, 88 percent of cocaine, 87 percent of methamphetamine, and 80 percent of fentanyl in the first 11 months of the 2018 fiscal year were caught trying to be smuggled in at legal crossing points.

Trump told us that, by way of compromise, that he has given up on a brick wall from "sea to shining sea," and he is asking for only $5.7 billion for only 230 miles of a steel slat barrier this year! He assumes that those fleeing across the border won't go around, under, or over his beautiful steel slat barrier.

He further assumes that his tactics will work next year when he wants something.

Trump offered three years of protection for immigrants who were brought to the country illegally as children, meaning the Dreamers. Earlier in his administration, Trump destroyed the protections afforded to Dreamers. Now he proposing to correct the fault for which he is responsible, using that as a bargaining tool. He is assuming the Democrats will agree to a temporary solution for the Dreamers so that a permanent wall can be built.

He further assumes the Democrats are stupid.

His speech today was just another photo op. It is noted that he did not allow questions from the White House press corps.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Meanwhile back in reality... the national debt continues to grow; now over a trillion dollars a year.

In part because illegals are raping our Southern border.

 

[AntonToo]

Mr. Mueller said no such thing.

Yes, he did. Check the news, its all over the place that Buzzfeed lied, and CNN and all the networks repeated the lie.

Mr. Mueller did not say anything about Buzzfeed lying.

Yes, he did. You're obviously not paying attention to the news.

No. I’m paying attention to the quote from the OIC. It doesn’t say Buzzfeed was lying. You should inform yourself.

Buzzfeed printed an untrue story. That's lying. What would you call it?

No dumbass, that is not lying.

Lying is when you intentionally mislead, there is no evidence of that.

 

[basquebromance]

build a wall around Trump, i will pay for it!

 

[Intolerant]

Democrats have to explain to the American people why they oppose better border security.

It better be a good reason, because Trump gave very good reasons to explain his point of view.

This is going to look bad for them. Look for something else to happen so that the media can focus on it and ignore the fact that the Dems won’t even try to deal.

Never let a crisis go to waste.

 

[basquebromance]

Billionaire Kochs: Shutdown Is ‘Golden Opportunity’ for Amnesty for Illegals

 

[basquebromance]

Trump’s immigration deal won’t be accepted, so his amnesty proposal is to give him a talking point that Dems don’t care. It’s a chess move! Brilliant

 

[Blackrook]

Yes, he did. Check the news, its all over the place that Buzzfeed lied, and CNN and all the networks repeated the lie.

Mr. Mueller did not say anything about Buzzfeed lying.

Yes, he did. You're obviously not paying attention to the news.

No. I’m paying attention to the quote from the OIC. It doesn’t say Buzzfeed was lying. You should inform yourself.

Buzzfeed printed an untrue story. That's lying. What would you call it?

No dumbass, that is not lying.

Lying is when you intentionally mislead, there is no evidence of that.

Journalists are obligated to verify their stories to make sure they are true. Buzzfeed obviously failed to verify, so that's lying.

 

[candycorn]

Mr. Mueller did not say anything about Buzzfeed lying.

Yes, he did. You're obviously not paying attention to the news.

No. I’m paying attention to the quote from the OIC. It doesn’t say Buzzfeed was lying. You should inform yourself.

Buzzfeed printed an untrue story. That's lying. What would you call it?

No dumbass, that is not lying.

Lying is when you intentionally mislead, there is no evidence of that.

Journalists are obligated to verify their stories to make sure they are true. Buzzfeed obviously failed to verify, so that's lying.

Again, the objections of the OIC were specific to testimony given to Congress. Buzzfeed said it was verified through other sources as well. Both the OIC and Buzzfeed’s ethics are in tact here.

 

[Lakhota]

President Donald Trump on Saturday boasted to reporters about how well San Antonio’s border wall is working. But the Texas city is 150 miles from the Mexican border and has no wall.

“Everybody knows that walls work. You look at different places, they put up a wall, no problem,” Trump said outside the White House. “You look at San Antonio, you look at so many different places, they go from one of the most unsafe cities in the country to one of the safest cities, immediately, immediately.”

Trump Touts Border Wall In San Antonio — It Has No Wall And Isn’t On The Border

Trump is a pathological liar. He's also retarded.

 

[toomuchtime_]

1. They aren’t hostages liar.
2. Democrats always reneg in promises. No CR without the wall.
3. But you’re a moron and you think your bull shit makes sense.

Trump promised Mexico will pay for the wall. Tomorrow will be 2 years. How much have we gotten from Mexico so far?

We got a better trade deal, and we're gonna save billions when the wall is completed.

Keeping in mind that the money saved by this alleged “better” trade deal doesn’t mean more money in the US Federal coffers; it means better deals for our companies that buy and sell things to Mexico.

Actually, it does mean more money in federal coffers. Federal tax revenues are up under President Trump because the combination of the tax cuts and tariff protections have created more jobs and profits to tax.

"Taxes: Critics of the Trump tax cuts said they would blow a hole in the deficit. Yet individual income taxes climbed 6% in the just-ended fiscal year 2018, as the economy grew faster and created more jobs than expected.

The Treasury Department reported this week that individual income tax collections for FY 2018 totaled $1.7 trillion. That's up $14 billion from fiscal 2017, and an all-time high. And that's despite the fact that individual income tax rates got a significant cut this year as part of President Donald Trump's tax reform plan."

Trump Tax-Cut Results: Federal Revenues Hit All-Time Highs | Investor's Business Daily

Meanwhile back in reality... the national debt continues to grow; now over a trillion dollars a year.

Because of high spending, but contrary to the doomsday forecasts about the tax cut, federal tax revenues have increased, not decreased, because of the tax cuts and tariffs.

 

[candycorn]

Trump promised Mexico will pay for the wall. Tomorrow will be 2 years. How much have we gotten from Mexico so far?

We got a better trade deal, and we're gonna save billions when the wall is completed.

Keeping in mind that the money saved by this alleged “better” trade deal doesn’t mean more money in the US Federal coffers; it means better deals for our companies that buy and sell things to Mexico.

Actually, it does mean more money in federal coffers. Federal tax revenues are up under President Trump because the combination of the tax cuts and tariff protections have created more jobs and profits to tax.

"Taxes: Critics of the Trump tax cuts said they would blow a hole in the deficit. Yet individual income taxes climbed 6% in the just-ended fiscal year 2018, as the economy grew faster and created more jobs than expected.

The Treasury Department reported this week that individual income tax collections for FY 2018 totaled $1.7 trillion. That's up $14 billion from fiscal 2017, and an all-time high. And that's despite the fact that individual income tax rates got a significant cut this year as part of President Donald Trump's tax reform plan."

Trump Tax-Cut Results: Federal Revenues Hit All-Time Highs | Investor's Business Daily

Meanwhile back in reality... the national debt continues to grow; now over a trillion dollars a year.

Because of high spending, but contrary to the doomsday forecasts about the tax cut, federal tax revenues have increased, not decreased, because of the tax cuts and tariffs.

sure…whatever you say.