Trump's 4% GDP growth promise update

I did not see you agree that anything was a lie. What post was that in?


She presented her finds, in 463 and I agreed in 481. I then referenced it twice with you in other posts, and you were utterly oblivious to information that didn't fit your preconceptions.

I did not realize that was you agree it it was a lie, but I suppose you could spin it that way.

So, what is the difference between Trump saying that the US does not pay the tariffs and Trump saying we will cure childhood cancer soon?


Intent.


Trump's intent with his comment on the tariffs, is to credibly dodge the negative side of his policy, to his benefit, politically. His claim is credible, because tariffs are pretty obscure and the average person might very well believe the bill is paid by the exporter. So, it is a credible claim, not just an exaggeration.


Trump's intent with saying that we "will cure childhood cancer" is not meant to be taken seriously. Anyone with even a layman's knowledge of the subject, knows that while advances are always being make, that claiming an universal cure is colos is silly. And even if a few people DO managed to convince themselves that a real "cure" is near term, that does not really reflect that much on Trump, nor benefit him significantly.


It is hard for me to credit that you do not know this, Gator.


You seem to me, to have put enormous effort into unlearning something important, to give yourself an excuse for recreational outrage over this non issue.

Why say something that is not meant to be taken seriously at a pep rally? What is the purpose of saying things that are not meant to be taken seriously?

If you significant other told you they love you to the moon and back...would you take them seriously even though they used hyperbole?

I would take her intent seriously, not literally.


It is hard for me to credit that you don't know this, like from when you were a child.

Well, good. We are getting somewhere.

So, what was Trump's intent with saying we would cure childhood cancer soon.
 
She presented her finds, in 463 and I agreed in 481. I then referenced it twice with you in other posts, and you were utterly oblivious to information that didn't fit your preconceptions.

I did not realize that was you agree it it was a lie, but I suppose you could spin it that way.

So, what is the difference between Trump saying that the US does not pay the tariffs and Trump saying we will cure childhood cancer soon?


Intent.


Trump's intent with his comment on the tariffs, is to credibly dodge the negative side of his policy, to his benefit, politically. His claim is credible, because tariffs are pretty obscure and the average person might very well believe the bill is paid by the exporter. So, it is a credible claim, not just an exaggeration.


Trump's intent with saying that we "will cure childhood cancer" is not meant to be taken seriously. Anyone with even a layman's knowledge of the subject, knows that while advances are always being make, that claiming an universal cure is colos is silly. And even if a few people DO managed to convince themselves that a real "cure" is near term, that does not really reflect that much on Trump, nor benefit him significantly.


It is hard for me to credit that you do not know this, Gator.


You seem to me, to have put enormous effort into unlearning something important, to give yourself an excuse for recreational outrage over this non issue.

Why say something that is not meant to be taken seriously at a pep rally? What is the purpose of saying things that are not meant to be taken seriously?

If you significant other told you they love you to the moon and back...would you take them seriously even though they used hyperbole?

I would take her intent seriously, not literally.


It is hard for me to credit that you don't know this, like from when you were a child.

Well, good. We are getting somewhere.

So, what was Trump's intent with saying we would cure childhood cancer soon.


Sounds like meaningless feel goof fluff, of a type common to political speeches.


Do you want to rage about what a bad person he is, for that? Maybe call him a "racist" because, of "reasons"?
 
I did not realize that was you agree it it was a lie, but I suppose you could spin it that way.

So, what is the difference between Trump saying that the US does not pay the tariffs and Trump saying we will cure childhood cancer soon?


Intent.


Trump's intent with his comment on the tariffs, is to credibly dodge the negative side of his policy, to his benefit, politically. His claim is credible, because tariffs are pretty obscure and the average person might very well believe the bill is paid by the exporter. So, it is a credible claim, not just an exaggeration.


Trump's intent with saying that we "will cure childhood cancer" is not meant to be taken seriously. Anyone with even a layman's knowledge of the subject, knows that while advances are always being make, that claiming an universal cure is colos is silly. And even if a few people DO managed to convince themselves that a real "cure" is near term, that does not really reflect that much on Trump, nor benefit him significantly.


It is hard for me to credit that you do not know this, Gator.


You seem to me, to have put enormous effort into unlearning something important, to give yourself an excuse for recreational outrage over this non issue.

Why say something that is not meant to be taken seriously at a pep rally? What is the purpose of saying things that are not meant to be taken seriously?

If you significant other told you they love you to the moon and back...would you take them seriously even though they used hyperbole?

I would take her intent seriously, not literally.


It is hard for me to credit that you don't know this, like from when you were a child.

Well, good. We are getting somewhere.

So, what was Trump's intent with saying we would cure childhood cancer soon.


Sounds like meaningless feel goof fluff, of a type common to political speeches.


Do you want to rage about what a bad person he is, for that? Maybe call him a "racist" because, of "reasons"?

"meaningless feel goof fluff" is just a PC term for lying.
 
Intent.


Trump's intent with his comment on the tariffs, is to credibly dodge the negative side of his policy, to his benefit, politically. His claim is credible, because tariffs are pretty obscure and the average person might very well believe the bill is paid by the exporter. So, it is a credible claim, not just an exaggeration.


Trump's intent with saying that we "will cure childhood cancer" is not meant to be taken seriously. Anyone with even a layman's knowledge of the subject, knows that while advances are always being make, that claiming an universal cure is colos is silly. And even if a few people DO managed to convince themselves that a real "cure" is near term, that does not really reflect that much on Trump, nor benefit him significantly.


It is hard for me to credit that you do not know this, Gator.


You seem to me, to have put enormous effort into unlearning something important, to give yourself an excuse for recreational outrage over this non issue.

Why say something that is not meant to be taken seriously at a pep rally? What is the purpose of saying things that are not meant to be taken seriously?

If you significant other told you they love you to the moon and back...would you take them seriously even though they used hyperbole?

I would take her intent seriously, not literally.


It is hard for me to credit that you don't know this, like from when you were a child.

Well, good. We are getting somewhere.

So, what was Trump's intent with saying we would cure childhood cancer soon.


Sounds like meaningless feel goof fluff, of a type common to political speeches.


Do you want to rage about what a bad person he is, for that? Maybe call him a "racist" because, of "reasons"?

"meaningless feel goof fluff" is just a PC term for lying.


No, it's not. On two levels.


Why are you just saying senseless shit?
 
Why say something that is not meant to be taken seriously at a pep rally? What is the purpose of saying things that are not meant to be taken seriously?

If you significant other told you they love you to the moon and back...would you take them seriously even though they used hyperbole?

I would take her intent seriously, not literally.


It is hard for me to credit that you don't know this, like from when you were a child.

Well, good. We are getting somewhere.

So, what was Trump's intent with saying we would cure childhood cancer soon.


Sounds like meaningless feel goof fluff, of a type common to political speeches.


Do you want to rage about what a bad person he is, for that? Maybe call him a "racist" because, of "reasons"?

"meaningless feel goof fluff" is just a PC term for lying.


No, it's not. On two levels.


Why are you just saying senseless shit?

When you say something that you know is not true, that is telling a lie. When someone says some "meaningless feel goof fluff", they know it is not true, thus it is the very definition of lying.
 
I would take her intent seriously, not literally.


It is hard for me to credit that you don't know this, like from when you were a child.

Well, good. We are getting somewhere.

So, what was Trump's intent with saying we would cure childhood cancer soon.


Sounds like meaningless feel goof fluff, of a type common to political speeches.


Do you want to rage about what a bad person he is, for that? Maybe call him a "racist" because, of "reasons"?

"meaningless feel goof fluff" is just a PC term for lying.


No, it's not. On two levels.


Why are you just saying senseless shit?

When you say something that you know is not true, that is telling a lie. When someone says some "meaningless feel goof fluff", they know it is not true, thus it is the very definition of lying.


No, it is not.

Exaggerations, hyperbole, ect, there is a whole host of words, that acknowledge that a lack of literal hard factualness, is not always considered a lie, with intent to deceive.


WHy are you pretending to not know this?
 
Well, good. We are getting somewhere.

So, what was Trump's intent with saying we would cure childhood cancer soon.


Sounds like meaningless feel goof fluff, of a type common to political speeches.


Do you want to rage about what a bad person he is, for that? Maybe call him a "racist" because, of "reasons"?

"meaningless feel goof fluff" is just a PC term for lying.


No, it's not. On two levels.


Why are you just saying senseless shit?

When you say something that you know is not true, that is telling a lie. When someone says some "meaningless feel goof fluff", they know it is not true, thus it is the very definition of lying.


No, it is not.

Exaggerations, hyperbole, ect, there is a whole host of words, that acknowledge that a lack of literal hard factualness, is not always considered a lie, with intent to deceive.


WHy are you pretending to not know this?

meaningless feel goof fluff has the intent to deceive, that is how it gets people to feel good.

Exaggerations and hyperbole all contain some basis of fact.

When someone says it is "raining cats and dogs", it is in fact raining.

When someone says they are "hungry enough to eat a horse" they are indeed hungry.

This is what Trump is missing from all the things you give him a free pass on.
 
Sounds like meaningless feel goof fluff, of a type common to political speeches.


Do you want to rage about what a bad person he is, for that? Maybe call him a "racist" because, of "reasons"?

"meaningless feel goof fluff" is just a PC term for lying.


No, it's not. On two levels.


Why are you just saying senseless shit?

When you say something that you know is not true, that is telling a lie. When someone says some "meaningless feel goof fluff", they know it is not true, thus it is the very definition of lying.


No, it is not.

Exaggerations, hyperbole, ect, there is a whole host of words, that acknowledge that a lack of literal hard factualness, is not always considered a lie, with intent to deceive.


WHy are you pretending to not know this?

meaningless feel goof fluff has the intent to deceive, that is how it gets people to feel good.

Exaggerations and hyperbole all contain some basis of fact.

When someone says it is "raining cats and dogs", it is in fact raining.

When someone says they are "hungry enough to eat a horse" they are indeed hungry.

This is what Trump is missing from all the things you give him a free pass on.




Your analogy of "raining cats and dogs" is quite on the money. INdeed, it is "Raining" in that significant progress has been, and is being made on child hood cancers, with more and more of them being "cured" and real possibilities of this massively increasing in the relatively near future.


People should feel good about the recent and soon to come advances fighting child hood cancers.
 
Intent.


Trump's intent with his comment on the tariffs, is to credibly dodge the negative side of his policy, to his benefit, politically. His claim is credible, because tariffs are pretty obscure and the average person might very well believe the bill is paid by the exporter. So, it is a credible claim, not just an exaggeration.
So his out and out premeditated lie, remember he was corrected on his lie in press questioning, is "credible" because according to you the "average American" is STUPID enough to believe him....


Not being well versed on the intricacies of international trade and tariffs, is not the same as being "stupid".


I don't know what you were tying to pull with THAT lie, claim that that was my meaning, but knock that ******* shit off.
Just because YOU are too STUPID to understand tariffs, does not mean the average American is as STUPID as you! And your meaning is exactly that, average Americans are as STUPID as you.

And that doesn't change the fact that Tramp knew he was lying to "dodge the negative side of his policy, to his benefit, politically."
 
Intent.


Trump's intent with his comment on the tariffs, is to credibly dodge the negative side of his policy, to his benefit, politically. His claim is credible, because tariffs are pretty obscure and the average person might very well believe the bill is paid by the exporter. So, it is a credible claim, not just an exaggeration.
So his out and out premeditated lie, remember he was corrected on his lie in press questioning, is "credible" because according to you the "average American" is STUPID enough to believe him....


Not being well versed on the intricacies of international trade and tariffs, is not the same as being "stupid".


I don't know what you were tying to pull with THAT lie, claim that that was my meaning, but knock that ******* shit off.
Just because YOU are too STUPID to understand tariffs, does not mean the average American is as STUPID as you! And your meaning is exactly that, average Americans are as STUPID as you.

And that doesn't change the fact that Tramp knew he was lying to "dodge the negative side of his policy, to his benefit, politically."


1. You're discussing MY intent. My intent was not to call my fellow Americans stupid. Save your pretense at outrage for something less pathetically obvious. Also, stop trying to put your spin in my mouth.


2. ANd yes, I said that. That was an actual lie. By Trump. FOr political gain. Geez, do I need to use smaller words of something?


What is your point, about that? DO you even know?
 
Intent.
Trump's intent with his comment on the tariffs, is to credibly dodge the negative side of his policy, to his benefit, politically. His claim is credible, because tariffs are pretty obscure and the average person might very well believe the bill is paid by the exporter. So, it is a credible claim, not just an exaggeration.
So his out and out premeditated lie, remember he was corrected on his lie in press questioning, is "credible" because according to you the "average American" is STUPID enough to believe him....


Not being well versed on the intricacies of international trade and tariffs, is not the same as being "stupid".


I don't know what you were tying to pull with THAT lie, claim that that was my meaning, but knock that ******* shit off.
Just because YOU are too STUPID to understand tariffs, does not mean the average American is as STUPID as you! And your meaning is exactly that, average Americans are as STUPID as you.

And that doesn't change the fact that Tramp knew he was lying to "dodge the negative side of his policy, to his benefit, politically."


1. You're discussing MY intent. My intent was not to call my fellow Americans stupid. Save your pretense at outrage for something less pathetically obvious. Also, stop trying to put your spin in my mouth.


2. ANd yes, I said that. That was an actual lie. By Trump. FOr political gain. Geez, do I need to use smaller words of something?


What is your point, about that? DO you even know?
What you actually said was it is "CREDIBLE," lies are NOT credible, they are lies.
You are a liar, YOU are not credible.
 
Intent.
Trump's intent with his comment on the tariffs, is to credibly dodge the negative side of his policy, to his benefit, politically. His claim is credible, because tariffs are pretty obscure and the average person might very well believe the bill is paid by the exporter. So, it is a credible claim, not just an exaggeration.
So his out and out premeditated lie, remember he was corrected on his lie in press questioning, is "credible" because according to you the "average American" is STUPID enough to believe him....


Not being well versed on the intricacies of international trade and tariffs, is not the same as being "stupid".


I don't know what you were tying to pull with THAT lie, claim that that was my meaning, but knock that ******* shit off.
Just because YOU are too STUPID to understand tariffs, does not mean the average American is as STUPID as you! And your meaning is exactly that, average Americans are as STUPID as you.

And that doesn't change the fact that Tramp knew he was lying to "dodge the negative side of his policy, to his benefit, politically."


1. You're discussing MY intent. My intent was not to call my fellow Americans stupid. Save your pretense at outrage for something less pathetically obvious. Also, stop trying to put your spin in my mouth.


2. ANd yes, I said that. That was an actual lie. By Trump. FOr political gain. Geez, do I need to use smaller words of something?


What is your point, about that? DO you even know?
What you actually said was it is "CREDIBLE," lies are NOT credible, they are lies.
You are a liar, YOU are not credible.


The best lies are credible.


Do you even remember what point you were trying to make? DId you ever understand it?
 
"meaningless feel goof fluff" is just a PC term for lying.


No, it's not. On two levels.


Why are you just saying senseless shit?

When you say something that you know is not true, that is telling a lie. When someone says some "meaningless feel goof fluff", they know it is not true, thus it is the very definition of lying.


No, it is not.

Exaggerations, hyperbole, ect, there is a whole host of words, that acknowledge that a lack of literal hard factualness, is not always considered a lie, with intent to deceive.


WHy are you pretending to not know this?

meaningless feel goof fluff has the intent to deceive, that is how it gets people to feel good.

Exaggerations and hyperbole all contain some basis of fact.

When someone says it is "raining cats and dogs", it is in fact raining.

When someone says they are "hungry enough to eat a horse" they are indeed hungry.

This is what Trump is missing from all the things you give him a free pass on.




Your analogy of "raining cats and dogs" is quite on the money. INdeed, it is "Raining" in that significant progress has been, and is being made on child hood cancers, with more and more of them being "cured" and real possibilities of this massively increasing in the relatively near future.


People should feel good about the recent and soon to come advances fighting child hood cancers.

Sure, if you twist "soon" to mean in the next 50 years, if we are lucky.

So, do you think there is a difference between childhood cancer and adult cancer?
 
So his out and out premeditated lie, remember he was corrected on his lie in press questioning, is "credible" because according to you the "average American" is STUPID enough to believe him....


Not being well versed on the intricacies of international trade and tariffs, is not the same as being "stupid".


I don't know what you were tying to pull with THAT lie, claim that that was my meaning, but knock that ******* shit off.
Just because YOU are too STUPID to understand tariffs, does not mean the average American is as STUPID as you! And your meaning is exactly that, average Americans are as STUPID as you.

And that doesn't change the fact that Tramp knew he was lying to "dodge the negative side of his policy, to his benefit, politically."


1. You're discussing MY intent. My intent was not to call my fellow Americans stupid. Save your pretense at outrage for something less pathetically obvious. Also, stop trying to put your spin in my mouth.


2. ANd yes, I said that. That was an actual lie. By Trump. FOr political gain. Geez, do I need to use smaller words of something?


What is your point, about that? DO you even know?
What you actually said was it is "CREDIBLE," lies are NOT credible, they are lies.
You are a liar, YOU are not credible.


The best lies are credible.


Do you even remember what point you were trying to make? DId you ever understand it?
No lie is credible.
 
Not being well versed on the intricacies of international trade and tariffs, is not the same as being "stupid".


I don't know what you were tying to pull with THAT lie, claim that that was my meaning, but knock that ******* shit off.
Just because YOU are too STUPID to understand tariffs, does not mean the average American is as STUPID as you! And your meaning is exactly that, average Americans are as STUPID as you.

And that doesn't change the fact that Tramp knew he was lying to "dodge the negative side of his policy, to his benefit, politically."


1. You're discussing MY intent. My intent was not to call my fellow Americans stupid. Save your pretense at outrage for something less pathetically obvious. Also, stop trying to put your spin in my mouth.


2. ANd yes, I said that. That was an actual lie. By Trump. FOr political gain. Geez, do I need to use smaller words of something?


What is your point, about that? DO you even know?
What you actually said was it is "CREDIBLE," lies are NOT credible, they are lies.
You are a liar, YOU are not credible.


The best lies are credible.


Do you even remember what point you were trying to make? DId you ever understand it?
No lie is credible.

Perhaps what he was trying to say is that the best lies sound credible.
 
No, it's not. On two levels.


Why are you just saying senseless shit?

When you say something that you know is not true, that is telling a lie. When someone says some "meaningless feel goof fluff", they know it is not true, thus it is the very definition of lying.


No, it is not.

Exaggerations, hyperbole, ect, there is a whole host of words, that acknowledge that a lack of literal hard factualness, is not always considered a lie, with intent to deceive.


WHy are you pretending to not know this?

meaningless feel goof fluff has the intent to deceive, that is how it gets people to feel good.

Exaggerations and hyperbole all contain some basis of fact.

When someone says it is "raining cats and dogs", it is in fact raining.

When someone says they are "hungry enough to eat a horse" they are indeed hungry.

This is what Trump is missing from all the things you give him a free pass on.




Your analogy of "raining cats and dogs" is quite on the money. INdeed, it is "Raining" in that significant progress has been, and is being made on child hood cancers, with more and more of them being "cured" and real possibilities of this massively increasing in the relatively near future.


People should feel good about the recent and soon to come advances fighting child hood cancers.

Sure, if you twist "soon" to mean in the next 50 years, if we are lucky.

So, do you think there is a difference between childhood cancer and adult cancer?


Best case scenario could be far sooner than that. I don't believe it myself, but some of the research has some very exciting potential.


And yes, there are differences between childhood and adult cancers. Hell, there are real distinctions between young adult and the more common cancers you get in older people.


I used to work in the field. Not an expert by any means. But not a complete layman either.


Like I said, your analogy was quite on the money.
 
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Not being well versed on the intricacies of international trade and tariffs, is not the same as being "stupid".


I don't know what you were tying to pull with THAT lie, claim that that was my meaning, but knock that ******* shit off.
Just because YOU are too STUPID to understand tariffs, does not mean the average American is as STUPID as you! And your meaning is exactly that, average Americans are as STUPID as you.

And that doesn't change the fact that Tramp knew he was lying to "dodge the negative side of his policy, to his benefit, politically."


1. You're discussing MY intent. My intent was not to call my fellow Americans stupid. Save your pretense at outrage for something less pathetically obvious. Also, stop trying to put your spin in my mouth.


2. ANd yes, I said that. That was an actual lie. By Trump. FOr political gain. Geez, do I need to use smaller words of something?


What is your point, about that? DO you even know?
What you actually said was it is "CREDIBLE," lies are NOT credible, they are lies.
You are a liar, YOU are not credible.


The best lies are credible.


Do you even remember what point you were trying to make? DId you ever understand it?
No lie is credible.

Wow. Just wow.

Of course some lies are credible. That is why people are sometimes fooled by lies. Because they can be credible.


You have painted yourself into a corner and are getting more and more irrational.


Dude. Do you even remember what point you are trying to make?
 
When you say something that you know is not true, that is telling a lie. When someone says some "meaningless feel goof fluff", they know it is not true, thus it is the very definition of lying.


No, it is not.

Exaggerations, hyperbole, ect, there is a whole host of words, that acknowledge that a lack of literal hard factualness, is not always considered a lie, with intent to deceive.


WHy are you pretending to not know this?

meaningless feel goof fluff has the intent to deceive, that is how it gets people to feel good.

Exaggerations and hyperbole all contain some basis of fact.

When someone says it is "raining cats and dogs", it is in fact raining.

When someone says they are "hungry enough to eat a horse" they are indeed hungry.

This is what Trump is missing from all the things you give him a free pass on.




Your analogy of "raining cats and dogs" is quite on the money. INdeed, it is "Raining" in that significant progress has been, and is being made on child hood cancers, with more and more of them being "cured" and real possibilities of this massively increasing in the relatively near future.


People should feel good about the recent and soon to come advances fighting child hood cancers.

Sure, if you twist "soon" to mean in the next 50 years, if we are lucky.

So, do you think there is a difference between childhood cancer and adult cancer?


Best case scenario could be far sooner than that. I don't believe it myself, but some of the research has some very exciting potential.


And yes, there are differences between childhood and adult cancers. Hell, there are real distinctions between young adult and the more common cancers you get in older people.


I used to work in the field. Not an expert by any means. But not a complete layman either.


Like I said, your analogy was quite on the money.

I have heard promise of the cure for cancers since I was a child, they are all just pipe dreams meant to make people feel better...which makes them dishonest
 
Just because YOU are too STUPID to understand tariffs, does not mean the average American is as STUPID as you! And your meaning is exactly that, average Americans are as STUPID as you.

And that doesn't change the fact that Tramp knew he was lying to "dodge the negative side of his policy, to his benefit, politically."


1. You're discussing MY intent. My intent was not to call my fellow Americans stupid. Save your pretense at outrage for something less pathetically obvious. Also, stop trying to put your spin in my mouth.


2. ANd yes, I said that. That was an actual lie. By Trump. FOr political gain. Geez, do I need to use smaller words of something?


What is your point, about that? DO you even know?
What you actually said was it is "CREDIBLE," lies are NOT credible, they are lies.
You are a liar, YOU are not credible.


The best lies are credible.


Do you even remember what point you were trying to make? DId you ever understand it?
No lie is credible.

Perhaps what he was trying to say is that the best lies sound credible.

THe more credible the lie, the better it is. Obviously.


It is insane that either of you are resistant to that idea.


A "lie" told that is completely NOT credible, to the point that the person telling it, does not expect it to be believed,


is not an actual lie.


A lie requires the INTENT TO DECEIVE.


Hence if you tell someone it is "raining cats and dogs", it is not credible that cats and dogs are literally falling from the sky, so you are not LYING.



You people are so twisted up with your hate, that you are forgetting the meanings of words.
 
1. You're discussing MY intent. My intent was not to call my fellow Americans stupid. Save your pretense at outrage for something less pathetically obvious. Also, stop trying to put your spin in my mouth.


2. ANd yes, I said that. That was an actual lie. By Trump. FOr political gain. Geez, do I need to use smaller words of something?


What is your point, about that? DO you even know?
What you actually said was it is "CREDIBLE," lies are NOT credible, they are lies.
You are a liar, YOU are not credible.


The best lies are credible.


Do you even remember what point you were trying to make? DId you ever understand it?
No lie is credible.

Perhaps what he was trying to say is that the best lies sound credible.

THe more credible the lie, the better it is. Obviously.


It is insane that either of you are resistant to that idea.


A "lie" told that is completely NOT credible, to the point that the person telling it, does not expect it to be believed,


is not an actual lie.


A lie requires the INTENT TO DECEIVE.


Hence if you tell someone it is "raining cats and dogs", it is not credible that cats and dogs are literally falling from the sky, so you are not LYING.



You people are so twisted up with your hate, that you are forgetting the meanings of words.

And when you tell people you will cure cancer soon you are attempting to deceive, thus it is a lie.
 
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