Trump's 4% GDP growth promise update

[Correll]

That it was to be used to close the deal, does not imply that it was meant to be believed, especially if you quoted him correctly and he used the word "hyperbole".

Of course his lies are meant to be believed, he is using then t sell his deal. His calling them "creative hyperbole" is just a rationalization of his lies for SUCKERS like you.

The most ironic part is that people like Corell are telling is that when the president uses the words “believe me”, we are to assume what he is saying is false.

I noticed in 2016 that Trump ONLY says “Believe me” when he’s telling a whopper.
Since then, there was a piece I read written by a psychologist who said that the phrase “Believe me!” is the “liar’s tell”. Honest people have no reason to reinforce the veracity of their statements, and they don’t expect anyone to question the truth of their assertions. Liars have to sell their lies.

Do you believe that Trump is a big user of hyperbole?

Hyperbole is exaggeration designed to inflate the facts. Trump flat out lies and makes up shit.

For example, Trump says that the Chinese are paying tariffs to the US government, and that American taxpayers are not footing the bill for tariffs on Chinese imports. That's a flat out lie. The American importer pays the tariff, and passes the cost on to the American consumer - an estimated $831 for each American household.

Trump saying that his tax cut is the largest tax cut in American history is hyperbole. Saying that every American worker would get a $4000 raise from the corporate tax cut was a lie.

Fair enough. Much better examples of lying, than the other libs here.

 

[Correll]

1. I twice explained my reasoning. Your inability to address my response is noted.

2. I asked you a question. You failed to respond.

3. Let's turn this around. Can you give me a single example of his using hyperbole?

I have come to the conclusion that you do not actually know what hyperbole means.

Here are some examples of hyperbole...

• He's running faster than the wind.
• This bag weighs a ton.
• That man is as tall as a house.
• This is the worst day of my life.
• The shopping cost me a million dollars.
• My dad will kill me when he comes home.
• Your skin is softer than silk.
• She's as skinny as a toothpick.

They are all so far out there that nobody could ever think they were true. A statement has to be almost comical to be hyperbole.

Trump saying he would never again sign a giant omnibus spending bill is not so far out there than nobody would ever think it was true, in fact you are the only one I have ever seen claim it was hyperbole. As he described why he signed it and why he would not do so again, he gave it validity.

I cannot give you an example of Trump using hyperbole because I do not think he does so.

And now we see that it is YOU who is operating on a binary, either or nuance free view, not me.


Someone is either telling the clear Truth, or lying, no "3rd option".


I am the one pointing out the obvious truth, that it is a lot more complex than that, ESPECIALLY with a blow hard like the President.

It is not that complex. when one is using hyperbole they do not spend 5 minuets explaining why they made the comment.

Got it. It is either the truth or a lie. Black or white. In your world.

With an argument like that then I guess there is no such thing as a lie.

Not at all. Plenty of lies in the world.

 

[Correll]

1. I twice explained my reasoning. Your inability to address my response is noted.

2. I asked you a question. You failed to respond.

3. Let's turn this around. Can you give me a single example of his using hyperbole?

I have come to the conclusion that you do not actually know what hyperbole means.

Here are some examples of hyperbole...

• He's running faster than the wind.
• This bag weighs a ton.
• That man is as tall as a house.
• This is the worst day of my life.
• The shopping cost me a million dollars.
• My dad will kill me when he comes home.
• Your skin is softer than silk.
• She's as skinny as a toothpick.

They are all so far out there that nobody could ever think they were true. A statement has to be almost comical to be hyperbole.

Trump saying he would never again sign a giant omnibus spending bill is not so far out there than nobody would ever think it was true, in fact you are the only one I have ever seen claim it was hyperbole. As he described why he signed it and why he would not do so again, he gave it validity.

I cannot give you an example of Trump using hyperbole because I do not think he does so.

And now we see that it is YOU who is operating on a binary, either or nuance free view, not me.


Someone is either telling the clear Truth, or lying, no "3rd option".


I am the one pointing out the obvious truth, that it is a lot more complex than that, ESPECIALLY with a blow hard like the President.

It is not that complex. when one is using hyperbole they do not spend 5 minuets explaining why they made the comment.

Got it. It is either the truth or a lie. Black or white. In your world.

If only that is what I had said....

let me post it again for you....

It is not that complex. when one is using hyperbole they do not spend 5 minuets explaining why they made the comment.

You are the one that quoted him, from his book, saying that he uses hyperbole.


Of course when one is exaggerating, one does not use the word exaggerate.


That was such a weak attack, that I find it hard to credit that you seriously believe what you just posted.

Right and I also pointed out that it was his strategy to close the deal, so it was meant to be believed the way Tramp uses it as he explains in his book.

That it was to be used to close the deal, does not imply that it was meant to be believed, especially if you quoted him correctly and he used the word "hyperbole".

Of course his lies are meant to be believed, he is using then t sell his deal. His calling them "creative hyperbole" is just a rationalization of his lies for SUCKERS like you.

I see that you asserted your conclusion very clearly, that is something.


But you did not actually do anything to support it. Other than asserting it strongly. So,


Is that ALL you have?

According to Tramp, asserting it strongly is good enough for him, just ask Putin and Mohammed Bone Saw.

Childish name games now? You are really taking your supporting arguments to the next level.


The next level DOWN.

 

[Correll]

I have come to the conclusion that you do not actually know what hyperbole means.

Here are some examples of hyperbole...

• He's running faster than the wind.
• This bag weighs a ton.
• That man is as tall as a house.
• This is the worst day of my life.
• The shopping cost me a million dollars.
• My dad will kill me when he comes home.
• Your skin is softer than silk.
• She's as skinny as a toothpick.

They are all so far out there that nobody could ever think they were true. A statement has to be almost comical to be hyperbole.

Trump saying he would never again sign a giant omnibus spending bill is not so far out there than nobody would ever think it was true, in fact you are the only one I have ever seen claim it was hyperbole. As he described why he signed it and why he would not do so again, he gave it validity.

I cannot give you an example of Trump using hyperbole because I do not think he does so.

And now we see that it is YOU who is operating on a binary, either or nuance free view, not me.


Someone is either telling the clear Truth, or lying, no "3rd option".


I am the one pointing out the obvious truth, that it is a lot more complex than that, ESPECIALLY with a blow hard like the President.

It is not that complex. when one is using hyperbole they do not spend 5 minuets explaining why they made the comment.

Got it. It is either the truth or a lie. Black or white. In your world.

With an argument like that then I guess there is no such thing as a lie.

Correct. Obama wasn't lying when he said, "if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor." That was hyperbole.

Bush wasn't lying when he said Iraq was stockpiling WMD, that was hyperbole too.

Clinton wasn't lying when he said, "I did not have sex with that woman." Hyperbole.

Reagan wasn't lying when he said the U.S. didn't trade arms for hostages. Hyperbole.

1. Obama meant to be believed, and that was a lie.

2. Bush believed it, and thus that was not a lie, that was a mistake.

3. Bill Clinton meant to be believed, thus it was a lie.

4. Reagan knew what he was saying was not true, thus that was a lie.


Your pretense that this is unreasonable, is you being an ass and a liar.

 

[Faun]

And now we see that it is YOU who is operating on a binary, either or nuance free view, not me.


Someone is either telling the clear Truth, or lying, no "3rd option".


I am the one pointing out the obvious truth, that it is a lot more complex than that, ESPECIALLY with a blow hard like the President.

It is not that complex. when one is using hyperbole they do not spend 5 minuets explaining why they made the comment.

Got it. It is either the truth or a lie. Black or white. In your world.

With an argument like that then I guess there is no such thing as a lie.

Correct. Obama wasn't lying when he said, "if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor." That was hyperbole.

Bush wasn't lying when he said Iraq was stockpiling WMD, that was hyperbole too.

Clinton wasn't lying when he said, "I did not have sex with that woman." Hyperbole.

Reagan wasn't lying when he said the U.S. didn't trade arms for hostages. Hyperbole.

1. Obama meant to be believed, and that was a lie.

2. Bush believed it, and thus that was not a lie, that was a mistake.

3. Bill Clinton meant to be believed, thus it was a lie.

4. Reagan knew what he was saying was not true, thus that was a lie.


Your pretense that this is unreasonable, is you being an ass and a liar.

Nope, those were all examples of hyperbole in conservatard lala land where there are no lies.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

And now we see that it is YOU who is operating on a binary, either or nuance free view, not me.


Someone is either telling the clear Truth, or lying, no "3rd option".


I am the one pointing out the obvious truth, that it is a lot more complex than that, ESPECIALLY with a blow hard like the President.

It is not that complex. when one is using hyperbole they do not spend 5 minuets explaining why they made the comment.

Got it. It is either the truth or a lie. Black or white. In your world.

With an argument like that then I guess there is no such thing as a lie.

Correct. Obama wasn't lying when he said, "if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor." That was hyperbole.

Bush wasn't lying when he said Iraq was stockpiling WMD, that was hyperbole too.

Clinton wasn't lying when he said, "I did not have sex with that woman." Hyperbole.

Reagan wasn't lying when he said the U.S. didn't trade arms for hostages. Hyperbole.

1. Obama meant to be believed, and that was a lie.

2. Bush believed it, and thus that was not a lie, that was a mistake.

3. Bill Clinton meant to be believed, thus it was a lie.

4. Reagan knew what he was saying was not true, thus that was a lie.


Your pretense that this is unreasonable, is you being an ass and a liar.

Trump means to be believed and you dismiss it all as hyperbole, why does he always get a free pass from you?

 

[Papageorgio]

Let's see all the proof you have of Russian posters, because you at times have called me a Russian poster. Is that your knee jerk response when you are defeated?

Just for the record, I'm a Russian-American poster

So? You want a cookie or something? You think you are special? Moron.
Your little girlfriend will runaway as usual because she can’t honestly answer the question.

Jeezus, lay off the midnight cocaine buddy,

I just thought it was ironic that the one who happens to be Russian in this thread is very anti-Putin, anti-Trump.

I don’t have a beef with you, I don’t like dragon accusing me of being a Russian, I despise Putin, the guy is a thug. If dragon can’t defend her argument, she just tries to minimize by name calling, it is BS, she needs to put up or shut the hell up.

WTH is “midnight cocaine”?

I gotcha and I wasn’t defending that.

Midnight cocaine...cocaine use in the middle of the night.

Okay, it's all good.

Wouldn't know about cocaine or that crap, never tried it, alcohol is as strong as I ever got.

 

[HappyJoy]

I have come to the conclusion that you do not actually know what hyperbole means.

Here are some examples of hyperbole...

• He's running faster than the wind.
• This bag weighs a ton.
• That man is as tall as a house.
• This is the worst day of my life.
• The shopping cost me a million dollars.
• My dad will kill me when he comes home.
• Your skin is softer than silk.
• She's as skinny as a toothpick.

They are all so far out there that nobody could ever think they were true. A statement has to be almost comical to be hyperbole.

Trump saying he would never again sign a giant omnibus spending bill is not so far out there than nobody would ever think it was true, in fact you are the only one I have ever seen claim it was hyperbole. As he described why he signed it and why he would not do so again, he gave it validity.

I cannot give you an example of Trump using hyperbole because I do not think he does so.

And now we see that it is YOU who is operating on a binary, either or nuance free view, not me.


Someone is either telling the clear Truth, or lying, no "3rd option".


I am the one pointing out the obvious truth, that it is a lot more complex than that, ESPECIALLY with a blow hard like the President.

It is not that complex. when one is using hyperbole they do not spend 5 minuets explaining why they made the comment.

Got it. It is either the truth or a lie. Black or white. In your world.

With an argument like that then I guess there is no such thing as a lie.

Not at all. Plenty of lies in the world.

Yep, and the WP is keeping quite the list.

 

[g5000]

4% is a big number for such a large economy. The fact he hit 3% is an achievement.

It's much easier to achieve if you cut down your expenses, which neither party seems willing to do.

Actually, government spending is a large part of GDP. That's why Trump has been spending more than any President in history and doubling the deficit.

Deficit Donald has been artificially juicing the GDP figures.

 

[edward37]

If he used the word "hyperbole" then he is not lying, because he does not expect to be taken literally.

He never uses the word hyperbole when he lies, only when he gets caught lying. He expects his "hyperbole" to be believed enough to close the "deal."

You are the one that quoted him, from his book, saying that he uses hyperbole.


Of course when one is exaggerating, one does not use the word exaggerate.


That was such a weak attack, that I find it hard to credit that you seriously believe what you just posted.

Right and I also pointed out that it was his strategy to close the deal, so it was meant to be believed the way Tramp uses it as he explains in his book.

That it was to be used to close the deal, does not imply that it was meant to be believed, especially if you quoted him correctly and he used the word "hyperbole".

Of course his lies are meant to be believed, he is using then t sell his deal. His calling them "creative hyperbole" is just a rationalization of his lies for SUCKERS like you.

Evidently the moron in our WH doesn't realize how much pain China can take Short term to them is 100 years Trump doesn't make a deal say HELLO to a Dem in our WH

 

[Brain357]

4% is a big number for such a large economy. The fact he hit 3% is an achievement.

It's much easier to achieve if you cut down your expenses, which neither party seems willing to do.

Actually, government spending is a large part of GDP. That's why Trump has been spending more than any President in history and doubling the deficit.

Deficit Donald has been artificially juicing the GDP figures.

And even with the juicing the results are only slightly better then Obama...

 

[bendog]

He never uses the word hyperbole when he lies, only when he gets caught lying. He expects his "hyperbole" to be believed enough to close the "deal."

You are the one that quoted him, from his book, saying that he uses hyperbole.


Of course when one is exaggerating, one does not use the word exaggerate.


That was such a weak attack, that I find it hard to credit that you seriously believe what you just posted.

Right and I also pointed out that it was his strategy to close the deal, so it was meant to be believed the way Tramp uses it as he explains in his book.

That it was to be used to close the deal, does not imply that it was meant to be believed, especially if you quoted him correctly and he used the word "hyperbole".

Of course his lies are meant to be believed, he is using then t sell his deal. His calling them "creative hyperbole" is just a rationalization of his lies for SUCKERS like you.

Evidently the moron in our WH doesn't realize how much pain China can take Short term to them is 100 years Trump doesn't make a deal say HELLO to a Dem in our WH

Forcing US mftrs (sort of US) to relocate supply chains outside of Jina can cause them pain, but Apple isn't moving, nor are any mftrs who hope to sell INSIDE Jina.

Trump needed a coalition and he went out of his way to tell the EU to fock itself.

 

[Faun]

4% is a big number for such a large economy. The fact he hit 3% is an achievement.

It's much easier to achieve if you cut down your expenses, which neither party seems willing to do.

Actually, government spending is a large part of GDP. That's why Trump has been spending more than any President in history and doubling the deficit.

Deficit Donald has been artificially juicing the GDP figures.

And even with the juicing the results are only slightly better then Obama...

2.7% compared to 2.3% (post recession).

And trump is the only president without a quarter higher than 3.5%.

 

[bendog]

4% is a big number for such a large economy. The fact he hit 3% is an achievement.

It's much easier to achieve if you cut down your expenses, which neither party seems willing to do.

Actually, government spending is a large part of GDP. That's why Trump has been spending more than any President in history and doubling the deficit.

Deficit Donald has been artificially juicing the GDP figures.

And even with the juicing the results are only slightly better then Obama...

2.7% compared to 2.3% (post recession).

And trump is the only president without a quarter higher than 3.5%.

It's that liberal socialst muslim atheist Jereome Powell's fault!

 

[edward37]

4% is a big number for such a large economy. The fact he hit 3% is an achievement.

It's much easier to achieve if you cut down your expenses, which neither party seems willing to do.

Actually, government spending is a large part of GDP. That's why Trump has been spending more than any President in history and doubling the deficit.

Deficit Donald has been artificially juicing the GDP figures.

And even with the juicing the results are only slightly better then Obama...

2.7% compared to 2.3% (post recession).

And trump is the only president without a quarter higher than 3.5%.

It's that liberal socialst muslim atheist Jereome Powell's fault!

Now ben you're cracking me up

 

[bendog]

4% is a big number for such a large economy. The fact he hit 3% is an achievement.

It's much easier to achieve if you cut down your expenses, which neither party seems willing to do.

Actually, government spending is a large part of GDP. That's why Trump has been spending more than any President in history and doubling the deficit.

Deficit Donald has been artificially juicing the GDP figures.

And even with the juicing the results are only slightly better then Obama...

2.7% compared to 2.3% (post recession).

And trump is the only president without a quarter higher than 3.5%.

It's that liberal socialst muslim atheist Jereome Powell's fault!

Now ben you're cracking me up

It's like that poor guy has a kick me sign pinned to the back of his suit jacket.

I really don't like the way this is shaping up btw. On the old board we had Soop, who's dad really was into really serious banking, and even I could see the real estate bubble, but had no idea how bad the subprime market was … or how big it was. That was the failure of Slick to let Glass-Stegall end and lose the protections we got after 1932. We are dumping all over what we learned in 1973, and it took a decade to climb out of it. I'm not Cassandra, but for the first time since 2000, I'm pretty pessimistic.

 

[edward37]

Actually, government spending is a large part of GDP. That's why Trump has been spending more than any President in history and doubling the deficit.

Deficit Donald has been artificially juicing the GDP figures.

And even with the juicing the results are only slightly better then Obama...

2.7% compared to 2.3% (post recession).

And trump is the only president without a quarter higher than 3.5%.

It's that liberal socialst muslim atheist Jereome Powell's fault!

Now ben you're cracking me up

It's like that poor guy has a kick me sign pinned to the back of his suit jacket.

I really don't like the way this is shaping up btw. On the old board we had Soop, who's dad really was into really serious banking, and even I could see the real estate bubble, but had no idea how bad the subprime market was … or how big it was. That was the failure of Slick to let Glass-Stegall end and lose the protections we got after 1932. We are dumping all over what we learned in 1973, and it took a decade to climb out of it. I'm not Cassandra, but for the first time since 2000, I'm pretty pessimistic.

Remember soup Think he passed as did guru

 

[danielpalos]

And trump said trade wars were easy to win. What a mess, more taxes for us.

the right wing only alleges to be for capitalism in the socialism threads.

 

[Correll]

It is not that complex. when one is using hyperbole they do not spend 5 minuets explaining why they made the comment.

Got it. It is either the truth or a lie. Black or white. In your world.

With an argument like that then I guess there is no such thing as a lie.

Correct. Obama wasn't lying when he said, "if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor." That was hyperbole.

Bush wasn't lying when he said Iraq was stockpiling WMD, that was hyperbole too.

Clinton wasn't lying when he said, "I did not have sex with that woman." Hyperbole.

Reagan wasn't lying when he said the U.S. didn't trade arms for hostages. Hyperbole.

1. Obama meant to be believed, and that was a lie.

2. Bush believed it, and thus that was not a lie, that was a mistake.

3. Bill Clinton meant to be believed, thus it was a lie.

4. Reagan knew what he was saying was not true, thus that was a lie.


Your pretense that this is unreasonable, is you being an ass and a liar.

Nope, those were all examples of hyperbole in conservatard lala land where there are no lies.

Your strawman is noted and dismissed.

 

[Correll]

It is not that complex. when one is using hyperbole they do not spend 5 minuets explaining why they made the comment.

Got it. It is either the truth or a lie. Black or white. In your world.

With an argument like that then I guess there is no such thing as a lie.

Correct. Obama wasn't lying when he said, "if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor." That was hyperbole.

Bush wasn't lying when he said Iraq was stockpiling WMD, that was hyperbole too.

Clinton wasn't lying when he said, "I did not have sex with that woman." Hyperbole.

Reagan wasn't lying when he said the U.S. didn't trade arms for hostages. Hyperbole.

1. Obama meant to be believed, and that was a lie.

2. Bush believed it, and thus that was not a lie, that was a mistake.

3. Bill Clinton meant to be believed, thus it was a lie.

4. Reagan knew what he was saying was not true, thus that was a lie.


Your pretense that this is unreasonable, is you being an ass and a liar.

Trump means to be believed and you dismiss it all as hyperbole, why does he always get a free pass from you?

He does not. YOu are purposefully looking for hyperbole.

Dragonlady posted several that I immediately agreed were lies.

You on the other hand, managed to even "accidentally" posting any actual lies, which calls into question, either your pretense of confusion, or how much he actually lies, relative to normal politicians.