Trump will announce end of birthright citizenship for children of illegal immigrants, officials say

[JoeB131]

They were better than most people at the time, but somehow you think applying modern morals to them makes them bad people automatically. It's a stupid way to look at things.

So lets have a Constitutional Convention. I doubt you would like the results of one.

Actually, I would be all for a constitutional convention. We'd get rid of the Electoral College, to start with.

No, the Founding Slave Rapists were not good for the time. They were a bunch of rich assholes who didn't want to pay their fair share in taxes.

The United Kingdom abolished slavery long before we did.

 

[martybegan]

Actually, I would be all for a constitutional convention. We'd get rid of the Electoral College, to start with.

No, the Founding Slave Rapists were not good for the time. They were a bunch of rich assholes who didn't want to pay their fair share in taxes.

The United Kingdom abolished slavery long before we did.

Yes, they were good for the time.

Not "long", a few decades.

And they had serfdom going back centuries, something we came around long after.

 

[JoeB131]

Yes, they were good for the time.

Not "long", a few decades.

And they had serfdom going back centuries, something we came around long after.

Wow, really? "Hey, we got rid of slavery after the rest of the world realized it was a bad idea, doesn't that count for something?"

Um...no. Especially when you follow it up with 100 years of Jim Crow.

 

[martybegan]

Wow, really? "Hey, we got rid of slavery after the rest of the world realized it was a bad idea, doesn't that count for something?"

Um...no. Especially when you follow it up with 100 years of Jim Crow.

And they added a bunch of other good things to government others weren't doing yet.

Serfdom was still a thing in Eastern Europe and Russia.

Slavery lasted longer in South America.

China was a tottering Monarchy.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

And they added a bunch of other good things to government others weren't doing yet.

Serfdom was still a thing in Eastern Europe and Russia.

Slavery lasted longer in South America.

China was a tottering Monarchy.

That's your comparison for 'goodness of America"?

 

[martybegan]

That's your comparison for 'goodness of America"?

My comparison for the founders being better people than many of those around them.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

My comparison for the founders being better people than many of those around them.

Enslavers and all?

 

[martybegan]

Enslavers and all?

Slave owners, the Africans and the transporters did the enslaving.

It was acceptable practice in the day. Trying to hold people in the past to our morals is an exercise is stupidity.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Slave owners, the Africans and the transporters did the enslaving.

It was acceptable practice in the day. Trying to hold people in the past to our morals is an exercise is stupidity.

So? Your MAGA is filth today still. No empathy.

 

[martybegan]

So? Your MAGA is filth today still. No empathy.

All you have?

Pathetic.

Where in MAGA is there any concept of slavery?

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

All you have?

Pathetic.

Where in MAGA is there any concept of slavery?

More than enough. You brought up slavery.

 

[martybegan]

More than enough. You brought up slavery.

Actually your butt-buddy JoeBlow brought it up.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Actually your butt-buddy JoeBlow brought it up.

And you ran with it. Don't play, "Master, Joe did it first."

 

[martybegan]

And you ran with it. Don't play, "Master, Joe did it first."

Joe always brings up Slavery when the Constitution comes up, he's a 1/2 trick pony.

You on the other hand are an 1/8th trick pony.

You better hope we don't get an amendment started over birthright citizenship, if it does start, it would probably include ex post facto removals of citizenship, not just ones going forward like Trump's EO wants to do, or any SC case would result in.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

OK, it's all Joe's fault.

No, it is not.

 

[JoeB131]

That's your comparison for 'goodness of America"?

He needs to believe America is extra special and good, or it would ruin his worldview.

 

[JoeB131]

Joe always brings up Slavery when the Constitution comes up, he's a 1/2 trick pony.

You on the other hand are an 1/8th trick pony.

You better hope we don't get an amendment started over birthright citizenship, if it does start, it would probably include ex post facto removals of citizenship, not just ones going forward like Trump's EO wants to do, or any SC case would result in.

You better go along with our totally immoral or illegal act, or we are going to do something much, much worse.

Here's the reality. The courts will keep slapping Trump down on this one, until he sees another shiny thing and moves on to that.

 

[martybegan]

He needs to believe America is extra special and good, or it would ruin his worldview.

Exceptional.

You need to think we are miserable scum, just like you.

 

[martybegan]

You better go along with our totally immoral or illegal act, or we are going to do something much, much worse.

Here's the reality. The courts will keep slapping Trump down on this one, until he sees another shiny thing and moves on to that.

It has to be fixed, and Trump is starting the ball rolling.

Your nihilism is noted.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Debates are not law. What they put in writing in the 14th is.

What they put in writing was debated before they put it in writing, to ascertain what they were meaning when the put it in writing.

"Subject to the jurisdicton" by itself is meaningless because anyone can assign meaning to it they want. But because they fleshed out what it was before hand, we know what the meaning is, because they told us.