Trump.....We will own the Gaza Strip

[Coyote]

1) You don’t seem to have a problem when all the Arab countries did it to the Jews, who, btw, were doing them no harm - as opposed to the Gazans who overwhelmingly want Israel to be driven into the sea.

I wasn’t born when most of those expulsions ocurred and I was child the last ones took place. What exactly do expect?

I do not support forced expulsion of peoples in any way shape or form. There is nothing that will alter past yet you seem to be attempting to justify expelling a population because other countries expelled Jews? Is that your position?

2) The Jews aren’t ethnically cleansing Muslims. Muslims are 20% of their citizens.

Good grief, try to keep up Lisa! We are talking about GAZA. We are talking about a proposal to expel the Palestinians and develop Gaza. We are not talking Jews expelling Muslims (there happen to be Christians and non-Jewish Israelis).

So, it is the population of GAZA.

 

[Coyote]

Ok. But that hasn’t happened. Alert me if and when it does.


Yep. That’s what I said. And since it is hypothetical only, I presume you’d have to concede that there hasn’t been any force.

Ergo, no ethnic cleansing.

He didn’t “say” anything. He floated a mere trial balloon. Nothing more.

This whole thing hypothetical, I thought was clear from the start. That is I refer to "proposed" and "plan" not "is" or "doing". He floated a trial which IS saying something.

 

[Coyote]

Gaza is uninhabitable. What do you think should be done with them?

When Germany was reconstructed after WW2, was the German population expelled?

 

[westwall]

When Germany was reconstructed after WW2, was the German population expelled?

From certain places, yes. Every US base that was built expelled the Germans who were there.

 

[Coyote]

From certain places, yes. Every US base that was built expelled the Germans who were there.

Were they expelled from their country?

IMO, something like the Marshal plan could be tried. This is not realestate to be developed, it is a people's homeland.

 

[Coyote]

Which exactly what “From the River to the Sea” is talking about.

Except, in the case of the Jews, they are the indigenous people.

So are the Bedouin. You guys keep leaving them out.

 

[westwall]

Were they expelled from their country?

IMO, something like the Marshal plan could be tried. This is not realestate to be developed, it is a people's homeland.

Yes, they were moved far more than 6 miles away from their homes.

 

[BackAgain]

This whole thing hypothetical, I thought was clear from the start. That is I refer to "proposed" and "plan" not "is" or "doing". He floated a trial which IS saying something.

A proposal that said exactly and precisely nothing about “ethnic cleansing,” and didn’t imply it, either.

 

[Coyote]

Which exactly what “From the River to the Sea” is talking about.

And Eretz Israel.

Except, in the case of the Jews, they are the indigenous people.

So are the Bedouin. You keep leaving them out.

 

[Coyote]

BackAgain

A proposal that said exactly and precisely nothing about “ethnic cleansing,” and didn’t imply it, either.

Removing a population unwillingly is.

 

[Coyote]

Yes, they were moved far more than 6 miles away from their homes.

They were expelled from Germany? I never read that. Do you have a source?

 

[BackAgain]

BackAgain

Removing a population unwillingly is.

No. It’s not. And who said it would be unwillingly or forcible?

 

[Lisa558]

I wasn’t born when most of those expulsions ocurred and I was child the last ones took place. What exactly do expect?

I do not support forced expulsion of peoples in any way shape or form. There is nothing that will alter past yet you seem to be attempting to justify expelling a population because other countries expelled Jews? Is that your position?



Good grief, try to keep up Lisa! We are talking about GAZA. We are talking about a proposal to expel the Palestinians and develop Gaza. We are not talking Jews expelling Muslims (there happen to be Christians and non-Jewish Israelis).

So, it is the population of GAZA.

The fact that Israel is not expelling Muslims from Israel shows they are not ethnically cleansing Muslims.

It’s like when you libs falsely accused Trump of a Muslim ban.

 

[Lisa558]

What is Coyote ‘s suggestion what to do with a people who are backward, unable to even provide water or electricity for themselves, and overwhelmingly hate Jews?

Their fellow Arabs don’t want them, and of course Gaza will be uninhabitable for at least a decade.

 

[lennypartiv]

Worse Than Ethnic Cleansing​

Ethnic cleansing can be a good thing.

 

[Coyote]

What is Coyote ‘s suggestion what to do with a people who are backward, unable to even provide water or electricity for themselves, and overwhelmingly hate Jews?

Can you get any more bigoted? They've been able to provide water and electricity, they had universities and cultural centers, war tends to destroy those things. Israeli's hate Palestinians and Palestinians hate Israelis. So? French used to hate the English, so on and so forth.

Their fellow Arabs don’t want them, and of course their land will be uninhabitable for at least a decade.

Their fellow Arabs took in thousands of Palestinians refugees when Israel expelled them. What Egypt and Jordan don't want is another huge influx of refugees that could destabilize their countries and economies. If Gaza can be bombed with the population in it, it can be built with the population remaining there who want to remain and it is those who should be involved.

 

[elektra]

Nope. I didn’t state that. Try again.

Good, you have no problem with people in Gaza, moving. As you know, they don't want to stay.

 

[Lisa558]

Can you get any more bigoted? They've been able to provide water and electricity, they had universities and cultural centers, war tends to destroy those things. Israeli's hate Palestinians and Palestinians hate Israelis. So? French used to hate the English, so on and so forth.


Their fellow Arabs took in thousands of Palestinians refugees when Israel expelled. What Egypt and Jordan don't want is another huge influx of refugees that could destabilize their countries and economies. If Gaza can be bombed with the population it can be built with the population there who want to remain and it is those who should be involved.

Oh….am I being bigoted against a people who cheer on the massacre of Jews and want us dead? Imagine that.

And Egypt and Jordan don’t want them? So who is going to get stuck with them? They can’t live next to Israel NOW, on their own. Israel will have to move in and maintain a heavy military presence. And that can’t happen for at least a decade.

So the question remains…..what to do with them NOW, and in the next several years to come?

 

[Lisa558]

Also, Coyote didn’t explain why she said Ersatz Israel.

 

[Man With A Plan]

Can you get any more bigoted? They've been able to provide water and electricity, they had universities and cultural centers, war tends to destroy those things. Israeli's hate Palestinians and Palestinians hate Israelis. So? French used to hate the English, so on and so forth.


Their fellow Arabs took in thousands of Palestinians refugees when Israel expelled them. What Egypt and Jordan don't want is another huge influx of refugees that could destabilize their countries and economies. If Gaza can be bombed with the population in it, it can be built with the population remaining there who want to remain and it is those who should be involved.

Palestinians have been locked into Gaza by their Arab neighbors...not Israel. Trump is putting pressure on other Arab nations to step up and make Gaza livable again.