Trump Throws Pro-Lifers Under the Bus

[j-mac]

If they want abortion on a federal level, pass an amendment…Short of that they are bound by SCOTUS….period.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

Unsurprisingly the thread title is a complete and total lie.

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Of course it is.

It should be "Media Once Again Edits Trump To Make Him Look Bad", but the left cult can't ever do anything so honest.

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[Mac-7]

How is President Trump wrong?

He should support heartbeat bills passed in the states

 

[elektra]

Biden is a vegetable. It still makes him the top 20 percent of smartest dems.

Exactly, democrats have can not understand the simple positions we take.

 

[Independent thinker]

Unborn humans have rights

Yup, this is a question of does an unborn child have the right to live more or less than a mother has the right to kill her unborn child.

 

[Independent thinker]

How about letting women decide for themselves on what to worry about? No one is “riling up” women voters. We know the issues.

How about standing up for the rights of a human not wanting to be murdered?

 

[Mac-7]

I'm pro-life and I say the same thing.

Nebraska passes 12 week abortion bill with a ban on...

... destructive gender treatments for minors. The Governor is expected to sign the bill. Less restrictive than the heartbeat bill... this returns the legal standard to the first trimester, before the left lost their minds. A good compromise between the rights of the mother, and the rights of...

www.usmessageboard.com

I personally may want zero abortions...but I also want to keep government regulation at a minimum.

The job of government isn't to enforce morality...but instead to protect rights.

The conundrum here is, when do the rights of the unborn child begin to outweigh the rights of the mother.
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The conundrum here is, when do the rights of the unborn child begin to outweigh the rights of the mother.

They never do

The mother has just as much right to life as the unborn child

If giving birth would kill the mother she has a right to abort

Otherwise she must respect the unborn child’s right to life

 

[Mac-7]

Yup, this is a question of does an unborn child have the right to live more or less than a mother has the right to kill her unborn child.

See post 168

 

[Blaster]

Conservatives celebrated the overturning of Roe v Wade with the unrealistic expectation that abortion bans would start popping up in state after state. Several attempts at that have been predictably futile and little to nothing has changed since the ruling was reversed and they've paid that price politically. Apparently, Trump isn't on board either. He specifically cites Florida when talking about the so-called "Heartbeat" legislations passed in states like Florida, Iowa, and Georgia as a "terrible thing."

The past two days, Trump has been unable to answer if a man can become a woman and has criticized pro-life legislation, two high profile issues among his base.

This thread would be deleted if you were not a moderator. Just saying.

 

[Arlette]

G-d also imparts the new life with an eternal soul at the point of conception.

^^ a grown ass man typed that

 

[kyzr]

More room for Trump’s insurrectionists.

Yep, RW protesters, Catholics, concerned parents, anyone who opposes you commies.

 

[Lesh]

Trump believes the backlash against the strong anti-abortion laws will hurt his election chances.

This goes to show that Trump has no principles outside of Trump.

None at all

 

[kyzr]

Pence told CNN’s Wolf Blitzer back in March that he would support legislation restricting abortion to six weeks of pregnancy. Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis signed a bill into law in his state that banned abortion at six weeks while President Donald Trump has suggested the legislation was “too harsh.”

Each state can put limits on abortion or not. 8 states have no restrictions, which means that "partial birth" abortions are legal. The EU countries generally have a 15-week ban, which seems reasonable.

p.s. your tag line about a president convicted of rape is a lie, but you are okay with a president who showered with his daughter.

 

[Dragonlady]

How about standing up for the rights of a human not wanting to be murdered?

The zygote has no "wants" because it doesn't have a brain. And abortion isn't murder, because a fetus isn't a "person".

Women are dying and you don't care. Women are now REFUSING to get pregnant - EVER. Young women don't want to risk their lives by having children in a nation where women's lives don't matter.

The Cost Of Underestimating The Rise Of Women: No Babies

Has capitalism killed our babies, or simply our mismanagement of gender balance?

www.forbes.com

One in three pregnancies end in miscarriage, and many of those miscarriages are "incomplete", requiring a D&C to clear the tissue from the uterus. D&C's are also surgical abortions, so Republicans have made miscarriage care illegal in banning abortions.

OB/GYN's are leaving no abortion states, and hospitals are refusing to treat pregnant women in crisis, sending them home. Women are choosing not to got school or take jobs in states with no protection for women's reproductive health care.

You gotta love the law of unintended consequences. Virginity pledges that have young Christian women happily taking it up the ass to remain 'virgins", and now abortion bans, which are raising the death rate in pregnancy. Women are chosing sterilization rather than risking their lives in a pregnancy.

 

[Dragonlady]

Each state can put limits on abortion or not. 8 states have no restrictions, which means that "partial birth" abortions are legal. The EU countries generally have a 15-week ban, which seems reasonable.

p.s. your tag line about a president convicted of rape is a lie, but you are okay with a president who showered with his daughter.

Only a man would think a 15 week ban is 'reasonable'. What happens to the 200,000 women who have complications of pregnancy from 12 - 20 weeks? Why they die of course.

What about the 200,000 women every year who suffer "still birth" or whose babies have genetic abnormalities, which aren't revealed under after 20 weeks. No help for them either.

More and more American women are dying needlessly from treatable complications of pregnancy, and you're debated at what point you're just going to let them die.

Maternal Mortality and Maternity Care in the United States Compared to 10 Other Developed Countries.

The figures above are from 2018. Since 2020, that death rate has climed to 30 deaths per 100,000 live births. As in life expectancy, the USA is going backwards.

Maternal Mortality and Maternity Care in the United States Compared to 10 Other Developed Countries

Overview of differences in maternal mortality, maternal care workforce, and access to postpartum care and social protections in the U.S. and 10 other countries.

www.commonwealthfund.org

Since 2020, that death rate has climbed to 30 deaths per 100,000 live births. As in life expectancy, the USA is going backwards compared to the rest of the first world.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2023/03/16/1163786037/maternal-deaths-in-the-u-s-spiked-in-2021-cdc-reports

 

[rightwinger]

Apparently, Trump isn't on board either. He specifically cites Florida when talking about the so-called "Heartbeat" legislations passed in states like Florida, Iowa, and Georgia as a "terrible thing."

Trump is saying that before the election

If legislation banning abortion nationwide crossed his desk, he would quickly sign it

 

[ActionJackson]

Conservatives celebrated the overturning of Roe v Wade with the unrealistic expectation that abortion bans would start popping up in state after state. Several attempts at that have been predictably futile and little to nothing has changed since the ruling was reversed and they've paid that price politically. Apparently, Trump isn't on board either. He specifically cites Florida when talking about the so-called "Heartbeat" legislations passed in states like Florida, Iowa, and Georgia as a "terrible thing."

The past two days, Trump has been unable to answer if a man can become a woman and has criticized pro-life legislation, two high profile issues among his base.

Good to know.

 

[pknopp]

Trump is saying that before the election

If legislation banning abortion nationwide crossed his desk, he would quickly sign it

In 2019 he would have signed it. Maybe not in 2025.

 

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[Dragonlady]

Trump is saying that before the election

If legislation banning abortion nationwide crossed his desk, he would quickly sign it

Just the hike in women's death rates alone would see him signing it gleefully. For Trump, the cruelty is a feature not a bug.