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Ok, so you have zero confidence in our intelligence services and that is what your opinions are based on. That just sounds crazy to me. Sometimes they are right and sometimes they are wrong, but your suggestion that the intelligence is deliberately falsified to establish some kind of unspecified control over us sounds dangerously paranoid.None of this is about 911. We were talking about nuclear threats, and none of them have been called imminent and no freedoms or rights have been taken away because of them. Soleimani is a separate issue. He posed an imminent threat of terrorist attacks, not a nuclear attack, and his execution was justified and appropriate because he was responsible the escalating attacks against Americans in Iraq recently that led up to the attack on our embassy. Our nuclear non proliferation policies are entirely separate from our policies concerning terrorism.
Can't you see that it is all tied together. You treat these things as if they are some how separate issues, but they are not. They are all tied to the same thing....fear and control.
How do we know that Soleimani posed an imminent threat of terrorist attack? Because our government told us so. The same people that told us we had to invade Iraq due to an imminent threat of WMDs. The same people that told us to keep us safe they needed to create the largest bureaucracy in history, that we had to agree to be groped getting on a plane. The same people that told us they needed to build a massive data storage center in Utah, but do not worry we will not invade your privacy.
Why do you believe what you are told so easily when our government has a long history of lying to us?
Ok, so you have zero confidence in our intelligence services and that is what your opinions are based on. That just sounds crazy to me. Sometimes they are right and sometimes they are wrong, but your suggestion that the intelligence is deliberately falsified to establish some kind of unspecified control over us sounds dangerously paranoid.None of this is about 911. We were talking about nuclear threats, and none of them have been called imminent and no freedoms or rights have been taken away because of them. Soleimani is a separate issue. He posed an imminent threat of terrorist attacks, not a nuclear attack, and his execution was justified and appropriate because he was responsible the escalating attacks against Americans in Iraq recently that led up to the attack on our embassy. Our nuclear non proliferation policies are entirely separate from our policies concerning terrorism.
Can't you see that it is all tied together. You treat these things as if they are some how separate issues, but they are not. They are all tied to the same thing....fear and control.
How do we know that Soleimani posed an imminent threat of terrorist attack? Because our government told us so. The same people that told us we had to invade Iraq due to an imminent threat of WMDs. The same people that told us to keep us safe they needed to create the largest bureaucracy in history, that we had to agree to be groped getting on a plane. The same people that told us they needed to build a massive data storage center in Utah, but do not worry we will not invade your privacy.
Why do you believe what you are told so easily when our government has a long history of lying to us?
Are you sure you're not thinking about the Matrix?
Ok, so you have zero confidence in our intelligence services and that is what your opinions are based on. That just sounds crazy to me. Sometimes they are right and sometimes they are wrong, but your suggestion that the intelligence is deliberately falsified to establish some kind of unspecified control over us sounds dangerously paranoid.
Are you sure you're not thinking about the Matrix?
Not at all the same. The NK missile was launched and tracked by the whole world and if it operated the way it did in the test it could hit anywhere in the US, but this was one test. The fact is if NK does not have an operational missile today, it will soon, and it has been sharing its missile technology with Iran, so if in the near future all American cities will be targeted by NK missiles and if we allow Iran to acquire nukes, by Iranian missiles.NK has successfully tested missiles that can reach most of the US.During WWII "neither Germany nor Japan could have mustered a significant threat against our homeland"? Are you fucking serious? What the hell do you call Pearl Harbor? I'd say that Japan projected a serious threat on the homeland with that one.
You don't think we would notice a squadron of military aircraft heading our way today?
Toomuchtime said that during WWII, neither Germany nor Japan had the capabilities of attacking the US. I simply showed where they were wrong. And no, we weren't talking about today's technology, because they also brought up N. Korea as being a "poor country" that today can reach the US. Then, they pointed to Germany and Japan (primary powers during WWII), as not having the ability to launch an attack on US soil.
And, while an aircraft squadron would be noticed by today's radar, not so much for submarines that are capable of launching missiles.
There is zero proof that N.K could come anywhere near out shores.
The Hwasong-15 (Korean: 화성 15호; Hanja: 火星 15号; lit. Mars-15) is an intercontinental ballistic missile developed by North Korea. It had its maiden flight on 28 November 2017,[6] around 3 a.m. local time. It is the first ballistic missile developed by North Korea that is theoretically capable of reaching all of the United States mainland.[7]
Hwasong-15 - Wikipedia
Theoretically Saddam was near nuclear capable.
What you are talking about it something completely different. You are talking about a massive conspiracy to falsify intelligence in order to get some sort of unspecified control over American citizens. What kind of control are you talking about?Ok, so you have zero confidence in our intelligence services and that is what your opinions are based on. That just sounds crazy to me. Sometimes they are right and sometimes they are wrong, but your suggestion that the intelligence is deliberately falsified to establish some kind of unspecified control over us sounds dangerously paranoid.
Are you sure you're not thinking about the Matrix?
That sounds crazy to you? Did we not just spend the last 3 years being told our intelligence services were part of a coup to undue a legal election? Have we not had 1000 threads in the last couple years on this forum bashing the intelligence services for their part in the attempt to remove Trump from office?
And now it sounds crazy not to trust our intelligence services? I would say after what we have been told over the last few years it is crazy to trust them.
Not to mention, that intelligence was deliberately falsified to justify invading Iraq
What you are talking about it something completely different. You are talking about a massive conspiracy to falsify intelligence in order to get some sort of unspecified control over American citizens. What kind of control are you talking about?
No fun being you, is it?What you are talking about it something completely different. You are talking about a massive conspiracy to falsify intelligence in order to get some sort of unspecified control over American citizens. What kind of control are you talking about?
It does not need to be a massive conspiracy, most of the intel people just do their job and see a tiny part of the picture. They have no way to know if the end result is being manipulated.
Control over the populous to ensure compliance. The government does pretty much whatever it wants and nobody much cares any more.
There are two main tools for control, fear and division. Our country is about as divided as it has ever been and our leaders are pushing the division. Everything is about "us vs. them"...and then when we are told how very much they hate each other so we should too...our elected leaders magically find the common ground to pass a whole slew of bills adding to our debt and not to our rights or freedoms.
No fun being you, is it?What you are talking about it something completely different. You are talking about a massive conspiracy to falsify intelligence in order to get some sort of unspecified control over American citizens. What kind of control are you talking about?
It does not need to be a massive conspiracy, most of the intel people just do their job and see a tiny part of the picture. They have no way to know if the end result is being manipulated.
Control over the populous to ensure compliance. The government does pretty much whatever it wants and nobody much cares any more.
There are two main tools for control, fear and division. Our country is about as divided as it has ever been and our leaders are pushing the division. Everything is about "us vs. them"...and then when we are told how very much they hate each other so we should too...our elected leaders magically find the common ground to pass a whole slew of bills adding to our debt and not to our rights or freedoms.
Not at all the same. The NK missile was launched and tracked by the whole world and if it operated the way it did in the test it could hit anywhere in the US, but this was one test. The fact is if NK does not have an operational missile today, it will soon, and it has been sharing its missile technology with Iran, so if in the near future all American cities will be targeted by NK missiles and if we allow Iran to acquire nukes, by Iranian missiles.NK has successfully tested missiles that can reach most of the US.You don't think we would notice a squadron of military aircraft heading our way today?
Toomuchtime said that during WWII, neither Germany nor Japan had the capabilities of attacking the US. I simply showed where they were wrong. And no, we weren't talking about today's technology, because they also brought up N. Korea as being a "poor country" that today can reach the US. Then, they pointed to Germany and Japan (primary powers during WWII), as not having the ability to launch an attack on US soil.
And, while an aircraft squadron would be noticed by today's radar, not so much for submarines that are capable of launching missiles.
There is zero proof that N.K could come anywhere near out shores.
The Hwasong-15 (Korean: 화성 15호; Hanja: 火星 15号; lit. Mars-15) is an intercontinental ballistic missile developed by North Korea. It had its maiden flight on 28 November 2017,[6] around 3 a.m. local time. It is the first ballistic missile developed by North Korea that is theoretically capable of reaching all of the United States mainland.[7]
Hwasong-15 - Wikipedia
Theoretically Saddam was near nuclear capable.
But you are not actually seeing anything. You suspect things, very dismal things, but you haven't presented any evidence to support them. Where is the evidence that the CIA and Pentagon were wrong about Soleimani planning attacks on the US?No fun being you, is it?What you are talking about it something completely different. You are talking about a massive conspiracy to falsify intelligence in order to get some sort of unspecified control over American citizens. What kind of control are you talking about?
It does not need to be a massive conspiracy, most of the intel people just do their job and see a tiny part of the picture. They have no way to know if the end result is being manipulated.
Control over the populous to ensure compliance. The government does pretty much whatever it wants and nobody much cares any more.
There are two main tools for control, fear and division. Our country is about as divided as it has ever been and our leaders are pushing the division. Everything is about "us vs. them"...and then when we are told how very much they hate each other so we should too...our elected leaders magically find the common ground to pass a whole slew of bills adding to our debt and not to our rights or freedoms.
I love being me, why would you think otherwise?
I know you like to think that ignorance is bliss, but it is not. It is far better to see what is going on.
Why are Democrats so fixated on invasions?Not at all the same. The NK missile was launched and tracked by the whole world and if it operated the way it did in the test it could hit anywhere in the US, but this was one test. The fact is if NK does not have an operational missile today, it will soon, and it has been sharing its missile technology with Iran, so if in the near future all American cities will be targeted by NK missiles and if we allow Iran to acquire nukes, by Iranian missiles.NK has successfully tested missiles that can reach most of the US.Toomuchtime said that during WWII, neither Germany nor Japan had the capabilities of attacking the US. I simply showed where they were wrong. And no, we weren't talking about today's technology, because they also brought up N. Korea as being a "poor country" that today can reach the US. Then, they pointed to Germany and Japan (primary powers during WWII), as not having the ability to launch an attack on US soil.
And, while an aircraft squadron would be noticed by today's radar, not so much for submarines that are capable of launching missiles.
There is zero proof that N.K could come anywhere near out shores.
The Hwasong-15 (Korean: 화성 15호; Hanja: 火星 15号; lit. Mars-15) is an intercontinental ballistic missile developed by North Korea. It had its maiden flight on 28 November 2017,[6] around 3 a.m. local time. It is the first ballistic missile developed by North Korea that is theoretically capable of reaching all of the United States mainland.[7]
Hwasong-15 - Wikipedia
Theoretically Saddam was near nuclear capable.
Lol....we have to invade Iran to keep N. Korea from supplying them nukes? Lol
But you are not actually seeing anything. You suspect things, very dismal things, but you haven't presented any evidence to support them. Where is the evidence that the CIA and Pentagon were wrong about Soleimani planning attacks on the US?No fun being you, is it?What you are talking about it something completely different. You are talking about a massive conspiracy to falsify intelligence in order to get some sort of unspecified control over American citizens. What kind of control are you talking about?
It does not need to be a massive conspiracy, most of the intel people just do their job and see a tiny part of the picture. They have no way to know if the end result is being manipulated.
Control over the populous to ensure compliance. The government does pretty much whatever it wants and nobody much cares any more.
There are two main tools for control, fear and division. Our country is about as divided as it has ever been and our leaders are pushing the division. Everything is about "us vs. them"...and then when we are told how very much they hate each other so we should too...our elected leaders magically find the common ground to pass a whole slew of bills adding to our debt and not to our rights or freedoms.
I love being me, why would you think otherwise?
I know you like to think that ignorance is bliss, but it is not. It is far better to see what is going on.
Why are Democrats so fixated on invasions?Not at all the same. The NK missile was launched and tracked by the whole world and if it operated the way it did in the test it could hit anywhere in the US, but this was one test. The fact is if NK does not have an operational missile today, it will soon, and it has been sharing its missile technology with Iran, so if in the near future all American cities will be targeted by NK missiles and if we allow Iran to acquire nukes, by Iranian missiles.NK has successfully tested missiles that can reach most of the US.There is zero proof that N.K could come anywhere near out shores.
The Hwasong-15 (Korean: 화성 15호; Hanja: 火星 15号; lit. Mars-15) is an intercontinental ballistic missile developed by North Korea. It had its maiden flight on 28 November 2017,[6] around 3 a.m. local time. It is the first ballistic missile developed by North Korea that is theoretically capable of reaching all of the United States mainland.[7]
Hwasong-15 - Wikipedia
Theoretically Saddam was near nuclear capable.
Lol....we have to invade Iran to keep N. Korea from supplying them nukes? Lol
But you are not actually seeing anything. You suspect things, very dismal things, but you haven't presented any evidence to support them. Where is the evidence that the CIA and Pentagon were wrong about Soleimani planning attacks on the US?
Why are Democrats so fixated on invasions?Not at all the same. The NK missile was launched and tracked by the whole world and if it operated the way it did in the test it could hit anywhere in the US, but this was one test. The fact is if NK does not have an operational missile today, it will soon, and it has been sharing its missile technology with Iran, so if in the near future all American cities will be targeted by NK missiles and if we allow Iran to acquire nukes, by Iranian missiles.NK has successfully tested missiles that can reach most of the US.There is zero proof that N.K could come anywhere near out shores.
The Hwasong-15 (Korean: 화성 15호; Hanja: 火星 15号; lit. Mars-15) is an intercontinental ballistic missile developed by North Korea. It had its maiden flight on 28 November 2017,[6] around 3 a.m. local time. It is the first ballistic missile developed by North Korea that is theoretically capable of reaching all of the United States mainland.[7]
Hwasong-15 - Wikipedia
Theoretically Saddam was near nuclear capable.
Lol....we have to invade Iran to keep N. Korea from supplying them nukes? Lol
Why are Democrats so fixated on invasions?Not at all the same. The NK missile was launched and tracked by the whole world and if it operated the way it did in the test it could hit anywhere in the US, but this was one test. The fact is if NK does not have an operational missile today, it will soon, and it has been sharing its missile technology with Iran, so if in the near future all American cities will be targeted by NK missiles and if we allow Iran to acquire nukes, by Iranian missiles.NK has successfully tested missiles that can reach most of the US.
The Hwasong-15 (Korean: 화성 15호; Hanja: 火星 15号; lit. Mars-15) is an intercontinental ballistic missile developed by North Korea. It had its maiden flight on 28 November 2017,[6] around 3 a.m. local time. It is the first ballistic missile developed by North Korea that is theoretically capable of reaching all of the United States mainland.[7]
Hwasong-15 - Wikipedia
Theoretically Saddam was near nuclear capable.
Lol....we have to invade Iran to keep N. Korea from supplying them nukes? Lol
I guess they are just used to seeing Repub president's invade countries that are no threat to us.
Your posts are getting more and more bizarre. Soleimani had been directing increasingly escalating attacks against US personnel and property, so why would you doubt he was planning more?But you are not actually seeing anything. You suspect things, very dismal things, but you haven't presented any evidence to support them. Where is the evidence that the CIA and Pentagon were wrong about Soleimani planning attacks on the US?
They are not that dismal, the really dismal part is how few others want to see it.
There is no proof that could ever exist to prove they were wrong about the imminent attack, which of course is why you asked that way.
Why do you automatically believe the government when they tell you these things?
Our government has a long history of lying to us, yet you act like it has never happened.
Why cannot they not give us more information so we have more than just "because we said so"?
Your posts are getting more and more bizarre. Soleimani had been directing increasingly escalating attacks against US personnel and property, so why would you doubt he was planning more?But you are not actually seeing anything. You suspect things, very dismal things, but you haven't presented any evidence to support them. Where is the evidence that the CIA and Pentagon were wrong about Soleimani planning attacks on the US?
They are not that dismal, the really dismal part is how few others want to see it.
There is no proof that could ever exist to prove they were wrong about the imminent attack, which of course is why you asked that way.
Why do you automatically believe the government when they tell you these things?
Our government has a long history of lying to us, yet you act like it has never happened.
Why cannot they not give us more information so we have more than just "because we said so"?
