Trump surrenders to the Taliban

[toomuchtime_]

The entire time we were in Afganistan under Bush......Libtards: Fake war.

Prove it. Show some quotes from Congressional Democrats (excluding anyone named Barbara Lee) who oppose Bush in Afghanistan during 2001.

lol So they were for it before they were against it, and now they are for it again because President Trump against it.

 

[gipper]

Is there a pattern here?

In December 2018 Trump lost his most capable secretary of defense, Marine General James Mattis. Trump had ordered a retreat in Syria. Mattis failed in one last attempt at persuading the President to reverse his decision about Syria, which Trump had announced on Wednesday of that week over the objections of his senior advisers. Mattis subsequently resigned. Eventually, the Pentagon overruled Trump, and the retreat order was cancelled.

In October 2019, Trump ordered the withdrawal of American forces from northern Syria, a decision that effectively ceded control of the area to the Syrian government and Russia. Hundreds of our allies responsible for the destruction of the ISIS caliphate were killed, and thousands more were forced to flee their homes in Syria.

In February 2020 Trump struck a deal with the Taliban that will have the United States withdraw from the country in 14 months if the rogue regime meets certain criteria, including stopping attacks on U.S. forces in the country (huh?). Trump, who avoided military service, is apparently ignorant of the meaning of war.

The U.S. removed the Taliban from power in October 2001 because it sponsored Al Qaeda. On 9/11 Al Qaeda was responsible for the killing of nearly 3,000 Americans. The Taliban is responsible for the killing of nearly 3,000 Americans.

Now Trump is surrendering to the Taliban. There is little doubt that once American troops leave, the Taliban will regain power in Kabul, and Afghanistan will once again become a haven for Islamic terrorism thanks to Trump. The Taliban are Islamic fundamentalists.

Is there a pattern here? Most definitely. Trump is placating his patron, Vladimir Putin. He has done so throughout his Presidency. He causes consternation with our allies abroad and chaos at home. From Putin's viewpoint, what's not to like?

Why do you want more war?

Gipper,

It is not more war but want to leave the place responsibly. Trump previous cut and run in Syria is panning out that well. Sorry but just don't trust him, this is rather than tying up loose ends could be 'I'm bored, lets go home...'. US has allies in the region, in a couple of years time will they still be there.

Syria basically said that you can't trust US anymore, one change of President and the next guy can renege on all promises. Obama generally kept Bush's, Bush agreed to leave Iraq, that decision was made and Obama honoured it.

No. Can’t agree. Our military should leave ASAP. It’s presence there and anywhere else, is detrimental. Time to bring them all home, but alas I know I’m dreaming. We are an imperialistic empire now and there is no going back.

 

[BlindBoo]

I would have advocated for punishing as many al Qaeda camps as necessary to drive them out and kill their leaders, as well as reigning hell on anyone who got in our way. Then leave a post it note on the door to not let terrorist use the country to attack us again or we'll be back with more hell. I think I would have saved a little hell for the cells in Yemen too. Pay back for the USS Cole. No Nation building. No long term occupation. No Iraq invasion.

That's what we've been doing for the last 19 years. It's pretty obvious the Taliban is not going to disappear in a puff of smoke. You either stay there and try to kill everyone of them for the next 20 or 30 years, or just say "fuckit" and leave. It's not an easy choice.

The Taliban is not al Qaeda. The first big mistake was made when Clinton failed to respond to their attack on Oct 12,2000 that killed 17 sailors. Next Bush ignored them for 7 months.

A lot of mistakes were made, but none of that has anything to do with withdrawing now. The only important question is, how does it serve the interests of the US or our allies for the US to continue to fight a war in Afghanistan?

Is it really a war or are we just occupying/supporting certain portions of Afghanistan?

Whatever you want to call it, it is expensive and dangerous for our soldiers, so if it does not serve any interests of the US or our allies, wh stay there?

Why have we stayed for nearly two decades? Perhaps the interest is something our government has not shared with us?

 

[CowboyTed]

I would have advocated for punishing as many al Qaeda camps as necessary to drive them out and kill their leaders, as well as reigning hell on anyone who got in our way. Then leave a post it note on the door to not let terrorist use the country to attack us again or we'll be back with more hell. I think I would have saved a little hell for the cells in Yemen too. Pay back for the USS Cole. No Nation building. No long term occupation. No Iraq invasion.

That's what we've been doing for the last 19 years. It's pretty obvious the Taliban is not going to disappear in a puff of smoke. You either stay there and try to kill everyone of them for the next 20 or 30 years, or just say "fuckit" and leave. It's not an easy choice.

The Taliban is not al Qaeda. The first big mistake was made when Clinton failed to respond to their attack on Oct 12,2000 that killed 17 sailors. Next Bush ignored them for 7 months.

A lot of mistakes were made, but none of that has anything to do with withdrawing now. The only important question is, how does it serve the interests of the US or our allies for the US to continue to fight a war in Afghanistan?

Is it really a war or are we just occupying/supporting certain portions of Afghanistan?

Whatever you want to call it, it is expensive and dangerous for our soldiers, so if it does not serve any interests of the US or our allies, wh stay there?

As Colin Powell said, you break it, you own it... US allies are the Afghan Army and Afghan Government, if you desert them and they fail every future ally will question US...

What it would effectively say is : US doesn't have your back, even if we say we do...

This is not saying Trump is wrong leaving, but has this been considered, have obligations been met.

 

[lantern2814]

Amazing how lefties have been crying for years to get out of these wars. Now Trump is doing exactly that and they’re crying that we need to continue the war they were opposed to 5 minutes ago. Amazing that thousands of cases of whiplash haven’t been reported with this much immediate spinning.

 

[toomuchtime_]

That's what we've been doing for the last 19 years. It's pretty obvious the Taliban is not going to disappear in a puff of smoke. You either stay there and try to kill everyone of them for the next 20 or 30 years, or just say "fuckit" and leave. It's not an easy choice.

The Taliban is not al Qaeda. The first big mistake was made when Clinton failed to respond to their attack on Oct 12,2000 that killed 17 sailors. Next Bush ignored them for 7 months.

A lot of mistakes were made, but none of that has anything to do with withdrawing now. The only important question is, how does it serve the interests of the US or our allies for the US to continue to fight a war in Afghanistan?

Is it really a war or are we just occupying/supporting certain portions of Afghanistan?

Whatever you want to call it, it is expensive and dangerous for our soldiers, so if it does not serve any interests of the US or our allies, wh stay there?

Why have we stayed for nearly two decades? Perhaps the interest is something our government has not shared with us?

Because before 2016 we did not have a president with a clear vision of how to put America first.

 

[JGalt]

That's what we've been doing for the last 19 years. It's pretty obvious the Taliban is not going to disappear in a puff of smoke. You either stay there and try to kill everyone of them for the next 20 or 30 years, or just say "fuckit" and leave. It's not an easy choice.

The Taliban is not al Qaeda. The first big mistake was made when Clinton failed to respond to their attack on Oct 12,2000 that killed 17 sailors. Next Bush ignored them for 7 months.

A lot of mistakes were made, but none of that has anything to do with withdrawing now. The only important question is, how does it serve the interests of the US or our allies for the US to continue to fight a war in Afghanistan?

Is it really a war or are we just occupying/supporting certain portions of Afghanistan?

Whatever you want to call it, it is expensive and dangerous for our soldiers, so if it does not serve any interests of the US or our allies, wh stay there?

Why have we stayed for nearly two decades? Perhaps the interest is something our government has not shared with us?

Sand. The government secretly wants to corner the market on sand.

 

[BlindBoo]

The entire time we were in Afganistan under Bush......Libtards: Fake war.

Prove it. Show some quotes from Congressional Democrats (excluding anyone named Barbara Lee) who oppose Bush in Afghanistan during 2001.

lol So they were for it before they were against it, and now they are for it again because President Trump against it.

They were all for it (-1) after 9-11. By the time the Iraq resolution came down the pipe, less than half the Democrats in Congress approved of giving Bush the decider role. But for the most part the country was behind or Embedded with the invasion. It wasn't until they looked north, south, east and somewhat west of Baghdad and couldn't find the WMD that the press started to turn on old GW. But that was over Iraq not Afghanistan. Over the years many people have criticized our nation building efforts.

 

[BlindBoo]

The Taliban is not al Qaeda. The first big mistake was made when Clinton failed to respond to their attack on Oct 12,2000 that killed 17 sailors. Next Bush ignored them for 7 months.

A lot of mistakes were made, but none of that has anything to do with withdrawing now. The only important question is, how does it serve the interests of the US or our allies for the US to continue to fight a war in Afghanistan?

Is it really a war or are we just occupying/supporting certain portions of Afghanistan?

Whatever you want to call it, it is expensive and dangerous for our soldiers, so if it does not serve any interests of the US or our allies, wh stay there?

Why have we stayed for nearly two decades? Perhaps the interest is something our government has not shared with us?

Sand. The government secretly wants to corner the market on sand.

Nah. Opium and Hash. Finest in the world.

 

[toomuchtime_]

That's what we've been doing for the last 19 years. It's pretty obvious the Taliban is not going to disappear in a puff of smoke. You either stay there and try to kill everyone of them for the next 20 or 30 years, or just say "fuckit" and leave. It's not an easy choice.

The Taliban is not al Qaeda. The first big mistake was made when Clinton failed to respond to their attack on Oct 12,2000 that killed 17 sailors. Next Bush ignored them for 7 months.

A lot of mistakes were made, but none of that has anything to do with withdrawing now. The only important question is, how does it serve the interests of the US or our allies for the US to continue to fight a war in Afghanistan?

Is it really a war or are we just occupying/supporting certain portions of Afghanistan?

Whatever you want to call it, it is expensive and dangerous for our soldiers, so if it does not serve any interests of the US or our allies, wh stay there?

As Colin Powell said, you break it, you own it... US allies are the Afghan Army and Afghan Government, if you desert them and they fail every future ally will question US...

What it would effectively say is : US doesn't have your back, even if we say we do...

This is not saying Trump is wrong leaving, but has this been considered, have obligations been met.

We didn't adopt the Afghans, we simply found our interests and their interests coincided while the Taliban supported al Qaeda. If other countries don't like us leaving, they can step up and send their own troops in. If the Taliban had not insisted on harboring al Qaeda after 911, we would never have been in there.

 

[JGalt]

A lot of mistakes were made, but none of that has anything to do with withdrawing now. The only important question is, how does it serve the interests of the US or our allies for the US to continue to fight a war in Afghanistan?

Is it really a war or are we just occupying/supporting certain portions of Afghanistan?

Whatever you want to call it, it is expensive and dangerous for our soldiers, so if it does not serve any interests of the US or our allies, wh stay there?

Why have we stayed for nearly two decades? Perhaps the interest is something our government has not shared with us?

Sand. The government secretly wants to corner the market on sand.

Nah. Opium and Hash. Finest in the world.

That shit we don't need. Those are how the Taliban financed their murder.

 

[LaDairis]

No. No. Hahahahaha.

Amazing how "funny" all our casualties are from Afghan according to supporters of ISRAEL, including the "ha ha" that Pat Tillman was shot and killed by fellow US Army Rangers who then lied about it.

"Funny" how we were supposed to try to oust Taliban, and then W flipped off Northern Alliance, not Taliban.

"Funny" how there are no photos of "Osama" from Saudi, but there are three of Col Tim Osman....

It is "funny" when Zionist Jews lie, patriotic Americans die, and the US Federal Debt quadrouples.... funny only to those who care only about ISRAEL and not the United States.

 

[BlindBoo]

Is it really a war or are we just occupying/supporting certain portions of Afghanistan?

Whatever you want to call it, it is expensive and dangerous for our soldiers, so if it does not serve any interests of the US or our allies, wh stay there?

Why have we stayed for nearly two decades? Perhaps the interest is something our government has not shared with us?

Sand. The government secretly wants to corner the market on sand.

Nah. Opium and Hash. Finest in the world.

That shit we don't need. Those are how the Taliban financed their murder.

Right. The CIA never uses the Black Market for it's finances.....and they always tell the truth about what they do.

 

[JGalt]

Whatever you want to call it, it is expensive and dangerous for our soldiers, so if it does not serve any interests of the US or our allies, wh stay there?

Why have we stayed for nearly two decades? Perhaps the interest is something our government has not shared with us?

Sand. The government secretly wants to corner the market on sand.

Nah. Opium and Hash. Finest in the world.

That shit we don't need. Those are how the Taliban financed their murder.

Right. The CIA never uses the Black Market for it's finances.....and they always tell the truth about what they do.

So now you know why we call them "The Swamp."

 

[BlindBoo]

No. No. Hahahahaha.

Amazing how "funny" all our casualties are from Afghan according to supporters of ISRAEL, including the "ha ha" that Pat Tillman was shot and killed by fellow US Army Rangers who then lied about it.

"Funny" how we were supposed to try to oust Taliban, and then W flipped off Northern Alliance, not Taliban.

"Funny" how there are no photos of "Osama" from Saudi, but there are three of Col Tim Osman....

It is "funny" when Zionist Jews lie, patriotic Americans die, and the US Federal Debt quadrouples.... funny only to those who care only about ISRAEL and not the United States.

Three questions, three answers, the last one is the joke.

 

[Meathead]

Whatever you want to call it, it is expensive and dangerous for our soldiers, so if it does not serve any interests of the US or our allies, wh stay there?

Why have we stayed for nearly two decades? Perhaps the interest is something our government has not shared with us?

Sand. The government secretly wants to corner the market on sand.

Nah. Opium and Hash. Finest in the world.

That shit we don't need. Those are how the Taliban financed their murder.

Right. The CIA never uses the Black Market for it's finances.....and they always tell the truth about what they do.

The CIA has been in the business of overthrowing foreign governments since the 50s. Recently, the FBI took it upon themselves to overthrow ours.

 

[toomuchtime_]

The entire time we were in Afganistan under Bush......Libtards: Fake war.

Prove it. Show some quotes from Congressional Democrats (excluding anyone named Barbara Lee) who oppose Bush in Afghanistan during 2001.

lol So they were for it before they were against it, and now they are for it again because President Trump against it.

They were all for it (-1) after 9-11. By the time the Iraq resolution came down the pipe, less than half the Democrats in Congress approved of giving Bush the decider role. But for the most part the country was behind or Embedded with the invasion. It wasn't until they looked north, south, east and somewhat west of Baghdad and couldn't find the WMD that the press started to turn on old GW. But that was over Iraq not Afghanistan. Over the years many people have criticized our nation building efforts.

Nation building worked fine in Japan, Germany and South Korea and even in Iraq until Obama pulled our troops out as a part of his 2012 reelection strategy. US efforts at nation building have had nothing to do with imperialism or any globalist ideology. After WWII, these efforts were intended to stop the spread of communism and after 911 they were intended to stop the spread of terrorism in Afghanistan and to, mistakenly, stop the spread of nuclear weapons and the threat to the ME oil supply in Iraq.

The question is not whether it is a good thing to do or not - where it has succeeded it has served the interests of the US and the population involved - but because it is expensive whether the benefits of nation building for us is sufficient to justify the costs. In Afghanistan it is hard to see what we have to gain from continuing this effort now that the threat of terrorism against us or our allies is gone.

 

[jc456]

lol So if the President wants peace, you want war.

Peace with honor. LOL. How long before VC regulars take over the entire.... ops did I say VC regulars?.... Sorry I meant Taliban.

not sure what it is you want. so what is it you want?

Whatchagot?

troops coming home. you? what is it you want?

Telegraphing our withdrawal date? Wasn't that something Trump insistently criticized Obama about?

Besides when it's a new Democrat in the White House in 14 months you guys can call em Cut an Run xxxxx too!

It's like Déjà vu all over again

that's what a peace treaty is, a targeted withdrawal. now peace treaties are evil. wow, you all jump off ledges frequently.

 

[jc456]

Amazing how the moonbats suddenly became enamored with endless foreign wars.

Amazing how trumpanzees lie about what's going on.

so you are good with the peace treaty?

 

[jc456]

Is there a pattern here?

In December 2018 Trump lost his most capable secretary of defense, Marine General James Mattis. Trump had ordered a retreat in Syria. Mattis failed in one last attempt at persuading the President to reverse his decision about Syria, which Trump had announced on Wednesday of that week over the objections of his senior advisers. Mattis subsequently resigned. Eventually, the Pentagon overruled Trump, and the retreat order was cancelled.

In October 2019, Trump ordered the withdrawal of American forces from northern Syria, a decision that effectively ceded control of the area to the Syrian government and Russia. Hundreds of our allies responsible for the destruction of the ISIS caliphate were killed, and thousands more were forced to flee their homes in Syria.

In February 2020 Trump struck a deal with the Taliban that will have the United States withdraw from the country in 14 months if the rogue regime meets certain criteria, including stopping attacks on U.S. forces in the country (huh?). Trump, who avoided military service, is apparently ignorant of the meaning of war.

The U.S. removed the Taliban from power in October 2001 because it sponsored Al Qaeda. On 9/11 Al Qaeda was responsible for the killing of nearly 3,000 Americans. The Taliban is responsible for the killing of nearly 3,000 Americans.

Now Trump is surrendering to the Taliban. There is little doubt that once American troops leave, the Taliban will regain power in Kabul, and Afghanistan will once again become a haven for Islamic terrorism thanks to Trump. The Taliban are Islamic fundamentalists.

Is there a pattern here? Most definitely. Trump is placating his patron, Vladimir Putin. He has done so throughout his Presidency. He causes consternation with our allies abroad and chaos at home. From Putin's viewpoint, what's not to like?

SO much "winning" - And yet another abject FAILURE for Donnie Dumpster.

how?