Trump Supporters: This isn't a nothing burger

[Pellinore]

Keep calling us "cult". That is a great way to divide the nation and set US up for further strife.


What would you like to be called? Commie? Traitor?

I agree with you here.

The last time the nation was this divided, it ended in the Stock Market Crash and the Great Depression. The time before that, it was the Civil War. If we want any chance in the world of coming out of this without having to endure a catastrophe that makes our current squabbling look like preschool, it won't come from insulting each other over and over and over again.

 

[Correll]

I was listening to a show the other day where they were explaining how the Feds are going to sweek interest rates to deal with inflation and high wages. Apparently wages are too high right now. They need to bring those wages back down.

Ultimately what I gathered from the story was that things are the way they are and the people that run this country like it that way. Good luck trying to get them to stop importing smart indians to do IT. Good luck getting them to stop outsourcing phone support to India.

IT careers are among the highest-paying sectors in today’s workplace economy.

Let’s start with the median salary for “Computer and Information Technology Occupations,” as reported by the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS)— $86,320.

That’s more than double the BLS’ median annual wage for all occupations.

So really, I am having a hard time feeling sorry for you if you couldn't make it in IT.

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Of course, there are many areas of specialty within the wide world of information technology. From cybersecurity, programming and web development to robotics, video game design and artificial intelligence, the possibilities are nearly limitless, with positions spanning the career spectrum from entry-level to executive track. Here is just a partial list some of the notable specialties within IT:

Here's your problem. You probably never made it higher than a

Computer Support Specialists – $53,470

Computer support specialists provide help and advice to computer users and organizations. These specialists either support computer networks or they provide technical assistance directly to computer users.

Would you support an ban on immigration?

 

[sealybobo]

Would you support an ban on immigration?

A ban? Of course not. But I would reduce the numbers if I wanted to bring wages up for low wage workers.

I would accept refuges. Our share. Why shouldn’t we take in refuges? Bu I’d spread them out not put them all in one community.

And I’d take people with knowledge, money and family connections. Wouldn’t you? Ever hear of brain drain? It’s when smart people leave Europe or Asia and come to America with skills.

And I would lower the number of Muslims that come in. They’re already a pain in the ass and only 1% of our population.

 

[Correll]

A ban? Of course not. But I would reduce the numbers if I wanted to bring wages up for low wage workers.

We are flooded with third world labor. It will take a while for that to happen. The lower the better. A ban would be best. But, we could find common ground here, if you care to.

I would accept refuges. Our share. Why shouldn’t we take in refuges? Bu I’d spread them out not put them all in one community.

Because "refugees" are mostly immigrants who say the word "refugee" to work the system. If you want to be serious about raising wages, we need to reduce the inflow of cheap foreign labor.

And I’d take people with knowledge, money and family connections. Wouldn’t you? Ever hear of brain drain? It’s when smart people leave Europe or Asia and come to America with skills.

No. We've spent decades talking shit about how we are going to roll into a more high tech economy with new high tech jobs for our workers, and then we import people to do those jobs instead of our American workers.

And I would lower the number of Muslims that come in. They’re already a pain in the ass and only 1% of our population.

A ban would do that. Nicely. And be a good answer to whiners who complaint about "discrimination".

 

[sealybobo]

We are flooded with third world labor. It will take a while for that to happen. The lower the better. A ban would be best. But, we could find common ground here, if you care to.



Because "refugees" are mostly immigrants who say the word "refugee" to work the system. If you want to be serious about raising wages, we need to reduce the inflow of cheap foreign labor.




No. We've spent decades talking shit about how we are going to roll into a more high tech economy with new high tech jobs for our workers, and then we import people to do those jobs instead of our American workers.





A ban would do that. Nicely. And be a good answer to whiners who complaint about "discrimination".

So we don't accept ANYONE? That's not wise. We need smart immigrants. I believe they helped us defeat Hitler. Without immigrants, we'd be speaking German right now. Goot Morgan. LOL.

And we have spent decades rolling into a more high tech economy. The white trash blue collar in this country are still ignorantly raising their kids so that they are not qualified for these jobs. Do you realize how many jobs are available in America? Good paying jobs? But the people who are looking for work aren't qualified to do those jobs. You could even give them a 10 year notice and tell them they better convince their kids to go get an education in the high tech field and they won't because they aren't that kind of person. I'll be honest, neither am I. So stop trying to isolate America so that American companies are forced to only hire Americans who are not qualified for these kids of jobs.

Hey, right now I hear with all the pilot who took early retirement during covid, the airline need pilots bad. There's a great job for any American to go after. But you and I both know not everyone can or should be a pilot. But it's there for the taking.

I don't believe we have a lot of Americans looking for work right now. And I don't think immigrants are a problem right now. They're only a problem when the economy takes a turn for the worse.

Oh, and your whole hope of supply and demand fixing wages, won't work. I was listening on NPR about how the Feds can do a whole bunch of thing to get inflation under control. One problem with paying our poor better is that its just going to raise inflation.

 

[Correll]

So we don't accept ANYONE? That's not wise. We need smart immigrants. I believe they helped us defeat Hitler. Without immigrants, we'd be speaking German right now. Goot Morgan. LOL.

No, we don't need smart immigrants. Those smart immigrants did NOT help defeat Hitler.

And we have spent decades rolling into a more high tech economy. The white trash blue collar in this country are still ignorantly raising their kids so that they are not qualified for these jobs. Do you realize how many jobs are available in America? Good paying jobs? But the people who are looking for work aren't qualified to do those jobs. You could even give them a 10 year notice and tell them they better convince their kids to go get an education in the high tech field and they won't because they aren't that kind of person. I'll be honest, neither am I. So stop trying to isolate America so that American companies are forced to only hire Americans who are not qualified for these kids of jobs.

Surely you are aware of high tech companies bringing in already trained Third Worlders for the high tech jobs, and paying them less than tehy would American workers?

Let the companies pay American workers. Let them train American workers. I know plenty of American workers who have been busting their asses trying to get training. And getting it. And still facing hurdles. Lets put the power in THEIR hands and make the employers desperate to find them.

Hey, right now I hear with all the pilot who took early retirement during covid, the airline need pilots bad. There's a great job for any American to go after. But you and I both know not everyone can or should be a pilot. But it's there for the taking.

Are they paying for training?

I don't believe we have a lot of Americans looking for work right now. And I don't think immigrants are a problem right now. They're only a problem when the economy takes a turn for the worse.

And excess of labor, is always a problem if you want to see long term growth of wages. When the economy is growing, i want to see teh MAXIMUM increase in wages that could come from that, not see it muted by the presence of tens of millions of immigrants.

Oh, and your whole hope of supply and demand fixing wages, won't work. I was listening on NPR about how the Feds can do a whole bunch of thing to get inflation under control. One problem with paying our poor better is that its just going to raise inflation.

Rising wages in one component of inflation. ONe we have to deal with if we want to see wages rise. What are you suggesting as the alternative? Have keeping people poor as a policy GOAL?

 

[sealybobo]

No, we don't need smart immigrants. Those smart immigrants did NOT help defeat Hitler.






Surely you are aware of high tech companies bringing in already trained Third Worlders for the high tech jobs, and paying them less than tehy would American workers?

Let the companies pay American workers. Let them train American workers. I know plenty of American workers who have been busting their asses trying to get training. And getting it. And still facing hurdles. Lets put the power in THEIR hands and make the employers desperate to find them.




Are they paying for training?




And excess of labor, is always a problem if you want to see long term growth of wages. When the economy is growing, i want to see teh MAXIMUM increase in wages that could come from that, not see it muted by the presence of tens of millions of immigrants.



Rising wages in one component of inflation. ONe we have to deal with if we want to see wages rise. What are you suggesting as the alternative? Have keeping people poor as a policy GOAL?

U.S. population growth has nearly flatlined, new census data shows | Brookings

America’s population size is standing still, according to new data from the U.S. Census Bureau. Population growth over the 12-month period from July 1, 2020 through July 1, 2021 stood at unprecedented low of just 0.12%.

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Growth rose to levels approaching 2% during the prosperous post-World War II “baby boom” years of the 1950s and 1960s. And after a lull in the 1970s and 1980s, population growth rose again in the 1990s due to rising immigration and millennial generation births.

Point I'm trying to make. No matter how many immigrants we kick out and don't let it, they aren't going to pay blue collar workers any more than they have to. Supply and demand won't help you here. The powers that be do all sorts of things to keep wages/inflation down. And in order for the CEO's and VP's and people under them to make $200K plus a year on up to Tim Cook of Apple makes $770 million. In order for him to make that and all the white collar under him to make what they make, they need to keep blue collar wages down. And the Feds will help them. So will Republicans and Democrats alike through legal immigration.

The only way for blue collar workers to make their fair share is to unionize. And that won't happen.

You can't isolate America and tariff imports and expect other countries to take your stuff.

And this is a global economy now. Too late. Reagan and Bush 1 should have never invented NAFTA. Of course Clinton signed it. He put in worker protections but Bush removed them.

Trump's playing you if you think he's going to fix your problems. But I see why you put all your hopes in him. I would too if I were you.

 

[g5000]

Donald Trump is terrified that his former White House counsel is cooperating with the House select committee investigating last year’s insurrection, his niece Mary Trump said in an interview Saturday. Mary said her uncle is shaking in his boots after hearing former White House counsel Pat Cipollone spent over 8 hours talking with investigators working for the House select committee investigating the Jan 6th Capitol riot.


The mounting legal case against Trump is all the more damning considering most of the key witness's providing testimony are from his own staffers, especially from someone as powerful as Pat Cipollone, former Whitehouse council. Mr. Cipollone cannot be dismissed as "just a coffee boy" as Donald Trump has tried to do with so many others. If Pat Cipollone corroborates the testimony of other Whitehouse staffers regarding Donald Trump's actions (which seems likely) Donald has very good reason to be scared.

Trump supporters: I know you are laser focused only on Hunter Biden right now, but I suggest you take a peek on the other side of the fence. This isn't a "nothing burger"

'Donald is terrified' is an 'understatement' after Cipollone testimony: Mary Trump

Who the hell is Pat Cipollone? I never heard of the guy before today.

 

[g5000]

I’m not a Trump supporter and don’t doubt he did something illegal. However our entire political class are a bunch of crooks, and this has been true for a long time. We had a recent potus who lied us into a war that may have resulted in one million civilian deaths, yet he faces no repercussions.

Isn’t this effort a bit disingenuous?

Trump is the first to attempt an actual coup. That makes a big difference.

 

[yidnar]

Donald Trump is terrified that his former White House counsel is cooperating with the House select committee investigating last year’s insurrection, his niece Mary Trump said in an interview Saturday. Mary said her uncle is shaking in his boots after hearing former White House counsel Pat Cipollone spent over 8 hours talking with investigators working for the House select committee investigating the Jan 6th Capitol riot.


The mounting legal case against Trump is all the more damning considering most of the key witness's providing testimony are from his own staffers, especially from someone as powerful as Pat Cipollone, former Whitehouse council. Mr. Cipollone cannot be dismissed as "just a coffee boy" as Donald Trump has tried to do with so many others. If Pat Cipollone corroborates the testimony of other Whitehouse staffers regarding Donald Trump's actions (which seems likely) Donald has very good reason to be scared.

Trump supporters: I know you are laser focused only on Hunter Biden right now, but I suggest you take a peek on the other side of the fence. This isn't a "nothing burger"

'Donald is terrified' is an 'understatement' after Cipollone testimony: Mary Trump

 

[g5000]

 

[gtopa1]

Doesn’t mean she’s lying. She’s not alone. You popo away everyone who comes out against trump. We see no matter what trump does you love him.

I've Heard strange murmurings in the Ether of late; I believe NOBODY without EVIDENCE!!!!! And even then I suspend a FINAL decision until ALL the facts are in.

Greg

 

[g5000]

Would you support an ban on immigration?

Hugely bad idea.

The US birth rate has been dropping precipitously. We are now well below replacement level.

We need immigrants to make up the difference.

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

Pure gaslighting by the cult commie. People who call supporting an America First platform a cult are themselves the only real cult here and don't deserve to be called Americans.

Come again, magaturd?

 

[HandleTheTruth]

Donald Trump is terrified that his former White House counsel is cooperating with the House select committee investigating last year’s insurrection, his niece Mary Trump said in an interview Saturday. Mary said her uncle is shaking in his boots after hearing former White House counsel Pat Cipollone spent over 8 hours talking with investigators working for the House select committee investigating the Jan 6th Capitol riot.


The mounting legal case against Trump is all the more damning considering most of the key witness's providing testimony are from his own staffers, especially from someone as powerful as Pat Cipollone, former Whitehouse council. Mr. Cipollone cannot be dismissed as "just a coffee boy" as Donald Trump has tried to do with so many others. If Pat Cipollone corroborates the testimony of other Whitehouse staffers regarding Donald Trump's actions (which seems likely) Donald has very good reason to be scared.

Trump supporters: I know you are laser focused only on Hunter Biden right now, but I suggest you take a peek on the other side of the fence. This isn't a "nothing burger"

'Donald is terrified' is an 'understatement' after Cipollone testimony: Mary Trump

Trump is just the man that Republicans love. Don't follow the laws full of BS and tells them that they are the victim.

 

[gipper]

Trump is the first to attempt an actual coup. That makes a big difference.

No. The JFK assassination was a coup. O and Hill perpetrated a coup against Trump with their illegal spying and promotion of the obvious hoax Russiagate. Some say Nixon won in 1960, but for the mobs vote fraud in Illinois.

 

[sealybobo]

I've Heard strange murmurings in the Ether of late; I believe NOBODY without EVIDENCE!!!!! And even then I suspend a FINAL decision until ALL the facts are in.

Greg

Are all the facts in on Trump University? How about Trump Foundation? How about that call to Ukraine? Was it perfect? How much evidence do you need?

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

NORMAL healthy wholesome people

Lol.

When fascism comes to America, it will wrapped in the flag and waiving the cross.

 

[sealybobo]

No. The JFK assassination was a coup. O and Hill perpetrated a coup against Trump with their illegal spying and promotion of the obvious hoax Russiagate. Some say Nixon won in 1960, but for the mobs vote fraud in Illinois.

Trump could have easily stayed out of trouble but it wasn't his style.

 

[gipper]

Trump could have easily stayed out of trouble but it wasn't his style.

What trouble?