Trump supporters, are you happy?

[kaz]

You won the Republican party with 40% of the vote. You turned around and said **** you to the other 60%. And there are more Democrats than Republicans in this country. Then you said **** you to libertarians and anyone else who while being pretty unhappy with your party wanted you to step up and be worth a vote.

Trump's statement he prefers soldiers who aren't captured was an embarrassment. Sure, the press is leftist and warped his statement on Khan and Putin getting Hillary's e-mails, but welcome to being a Republican. So after saying the Supreme Court is the prize, you're about to hand it to Hillary.

Proud of yourselves?

that's funny. WIth what the Hildebeast has walked away form you really must be hurting.

Nah....we just have people who don't know trump.....they think he's a eastern liberal establishment republican...
He's not....I saw how the establishment hates him and listening to his speeches, he has great economic plans, and I think

if we need to he will slap a 35% tariff on imports.from people who are ******* us
He doesn't hate free trade...

That's an oxymoron. Here's the trick with free trade. It's not trade government approves of, it's trade that government has no say

Govt do ....how do you think we open markets....I mean Nafta was a govt law. We embargord cuba and the ussr. They can push for China to take our goods or we slap them....I have no.problem with that.....

Free trade has to.do with tarriffs....hence Nafta or tpp

What if we just don't charge tariffs?

That's great in theory...but what about countries that do or don't even let us export to.them?
You can't just let everyone dump theor products here...it kills our industries...Chinese steel is.one example......

Do you know what "dumping" means? How do you know China is "dumping?" There isn't much dumping in the world.

Hint, being more cost competitive isn't "dumping."

Economically, one way free trade is better than no free trade. If you know calculus and take an econ course, it's pretty intuitive. Two way free trade is certainly ideal.

And again, your whole scheme is based on government deciding what is "fair." When has that ever worked out for you? Government making life fair?

 

[hazlnut]

Trumpies = American Village Idiots.

 

[kaz]

Trumpies = American Village Idiots.

Agreed. And to add to that:

Trumpies = American Village Idiots = Hillary's zombies

 

[buckeye45_73]

You won the Republican party with 40% of the vote. You turned around and said **** you to the other 60%. And there are more Democrats than Republicans in this country. Then you said **** you to libertarians and anyone else who while being pretty unhappy with your party wanted you to step up and be worth a vote.

Trump's statement he prefers soldiers who aren't captured was an embarrassment. Sure, the press is leftist and warped his statement on Khan and Putin getting Hillary's e-mails, but welcome to being a Republican. So after saying the Supreme Court is the prize, you're about to hand it to Hillary.

Proud of yourselves?

that's funny. WIth what the Hildebeast has walked away form you really must be hurting.

Nah....we just have people who don't know trump.....they think he's a eastern liberal establishment republican...
He's not....I saw how the establishment hates him and listening to his speeches, he has great economic plans, and I think

if we need to he will slap a 35% tariff on imports.from people who are ******* us
He doesn't hate free trade...

That's an oxymoron. Here's the trick with free trade. It's not trade government approves of, it's trade that government has no say

Govt do ....how do you think we open markets....I mean Nafta was a govt law. We embargord cuba and the ussr. They can push for China to take our goods or we slap them....I have no.problem with that.....

Free trade has to.do with tarriffs....hence Nafta or tpp

What if we just don't charge tariffs?

That's great in theory...but what about countries that do or don't even let us export to.them?
You can't just let everyone dump theor products here...it kills our industries...Chinese steel is.one example......

Do you know what "dumping" means? How do you know China is "dumping?" There isn't much dumping in the world.

Hint, being more cost competitive isn't "dumping."

Economically, one way free trade is better than no free trade. If you know calculus and take an econ course, it's pretty intuitive. Two way free trade is certainly ideal.

And again, your whole scheme is based on government deciding what is "fair." When has that ever worked out for you? Government making life fair?

UK and EU urged to act on Chinese steel dumping after US raises duty on imports

You won the Republican party with 40% of the vote. You turned around and said **** you to the other 60%. And there are more Democrats than Republicans in this country. Then you said **** you to libertarians and anyone else who while being pretty unhappy with your party wanted you to step up and be worth a vote.

Trump's statement he prefers soldiers who aren't captured was an embarrassment. Sure, the press is leftist and warped his statement on Khan and Putin getting Hillary's e-mails, but welcome to being a Republican. So after saying the Supreme Court is the prize, you're about to hand it to Hillary.

Proud of yourselves?

that's funny. WIth what the Hildebeast has walked away form you really must be hurting.

Nah....we just have people who don't know trump.....they think he's a eastern liberal establishment republican...
He's not....I saw how the establishment hates him and listening to his speeches, he has great economic plans, and I think

if we need to he will slap a 35% tariff on imports.from people who are ******* us
He doesn't hate free trade...

That's an oxymoron. Here's the trick with free trade. It's not trade government approves of, it's trade that government has no say

Govt do ....how do you think we open markets....I mean Nafta was a govt law. We embargord cuba and the ussr. They can push for China to take our goods or we slap them....I have no.problem with that.....

Free trade has to.do with tarriffs....hence Nafta or tpp

What if we just don't charge tariffs?

That's great in theory...but what about countries that do or don't even let us export to.them?
You can't just let everyone dump theor products here...it kills our industries...Chinese steel is.one example......

Do you know what "dumping" means? How do you know China is "dumping?" There isn't much dumping in the world.

Hint, being more cost competitive isn't "dumping."

Economically, one way free trade is better than no free trade. If you know calculus and take an econ course, it's pretty intuitive. Two way free trade is certainly ideal.

And again, your whole scheme is based on government deciding what is "fair." When has that ever worked out for you? Government making life fair?

Our companies have rules others don't need to follow....so.they will produce it cheaper....but then we have no.jobs and no middle class

Nafta was supposed to make Mexico come up in living standards, it didn't work.
I mean if you want no tarriffs on our imports while others deny us access to markets or put tarriffs on our goods....not much I can say

You effectively want Hughe trade deficits and no mfg in the us.

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

You won the Republican party with 40% of the vote. You turned around and said **** you to the other 60%. And there are more Democrats than Republicans in this country. Then you said **** you to libertarians and anyone else who while being pretty unhappy with your party wanted you to step up and be worth a vote.

Trump's statement he prefers soldiers who aren't captured was an embarrassment. Sure, the press is leftist and warped his statement on Khan and Putin getting Hillary's e-mails, but welcome to being a Republican. So after saying the Supreme Court is the prize, you're about to hand it to Hillary.

Proud of yourselves?

Everyone in the Republican Party had the chance to voice their opinion of which candidate they preferred to see running for president, some may have just chosen to stay home in objection to who was left in the primary. Even though I didn't see my chosen candidate as a choice in the process, I still supported him with my vote rather than blame a party because evidently the majority sought out Trump during the Republican primary process. If a voter HAD chosen to sit it out in objection, then he shares the blame in not voicing his concern amid Trump's growing momentum.

The choice we find now comes to who has the best laid out PLAN in addressing the problems our nation faces, not whether or not they adhere to minor opinions such as submitting their tax form. A candidate's tax form doesn't meet your needs in maintaining employment, and (if we have a president who ALLOWS the Constitution's "separation of powers" to have its way) the president can't impose laws beyond what Congress and the Founder's interpretation of the Constitution allows.

If you are SO concerned by what Trump might transform this nation into, it's because our nation has allowed too much executive power to remain unchallenged under Obama.

 

[Toro]

For who? Free trade kills mature economies.

False.

And debunked in economics.

Sorry you hate capitalism so much.

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

Hard conservatives tend to be binary thinkers, to them there is only two kinds of anything, things they like and things they really ******* hate. They are really big on the "are you with us or against us" trope.

Interetsing, as that is so often the liberal interpretation behind the cry of racism - when conservatives or their candidates are not willing to agree to (abide by) the liberal interpreted view for the role of government.

 

[bripat9643]

That isn't where I said you contradicted economics. It was that forcing manufacturing to stay here would provide a net increase in jobs

Will allowing them to leave provide a net increase in jobs? If so, where? That is my point about creating winners and losers. While economic theory is correct that free trade will provide an increase worldwide, it will DEFINITELY hurt some players. Do you deny this?

As an economist, you MUST SEE what has happened to our earning power, our economic growth, and our standard of living in the past 30 years or so as these ideas have been instituted. If you believe that our sluggishness in not due to these policies, then state why you believe we are in such a predicament at this time.

Mark

we already know the only loser is US American jobs. Cheaper workers and no regulations creates a loss of jobs. Period.

Correct. And bringing in H1B workers and immigrants hurts us even more.

Mark

Nonsense, trained workers are not the problems, illegal immigrants who tax our system are the problem. Trained workers grow the economy. There are plenty of jobs in this country for skilled workers, and they grow as you add skilled workers

I'm not sure the movie you're watching, but the issue is salary/benefits and regulations. And obamacare took care of a lot of businesses.

And so, if there are all of these jobs, why aren't skilled workers filling them?

what's funny here is the one person talking immigration is Trump and you beat him up. wow, you make the claim that illegals tax our system and then you're against the guy who wants to get that back under control. wow. I don't get you all.

Yep, I've pointed stuff like that out myself. These right-wingers who hate Trump so much are irrational. They are just helping Hillary get elected. Which means they are helping everything they claim to hate get elected.

 

[bripat9643]

For who? Free trade kills mature economies.

False.

And debunked in economics.

Sorry you hate capitalism so much.

We don't need TPP to have free trade. Meanwhile TPP allows foreign companies to import all the workers they want. I don't see the upside to that.

 

[Juan de Fuca]

Looks to me like you aren't getting anyone elected

 

[Toro]

Are you now telling me there aren't winners and losers in any economic system? That is what I stated. Your economic statement was correct, I never denied that.

There are winners and losers in capitalism. Socialists are very concerned about the losers in capitalism. Trump, like the socialists, is addressing the losers of capitalism.

America was founded on freedom and individual liberty. Capitalism is freedom and individual liberty. And there are losers in capitalism.

BTW, if we need a formal education or career in a field to have an opinion, then, since you are talking politics, you should be immediately excluded from this thread, assuming you have never held office, of course.

Of course you can have an opinion. But that doesn't make your opinion valid.

You can have an opinion that leeches are better than medicine, but that doesn't make it better than the opinion of doctors.

 

[owebo]

Trump would tax Carrier air conditioning units for moving to Mexico

Does he also plan on taxing himself for moving the manufacture of his ties, hats & etc. to China?

All the stuff I bought from Trump, that Trump makes, is made in the USA....so....

No. No, it isn't.

Yes. Yes it is....

Fucktard liberal....

You're calling Cecilie a liberal?

No....just pointing it out.....

 

[kaz]

that's funny. WIth what the Hildebeast has walked away form you really must be hurting.

Nah....we just have people who don't know trump.....they think he's a eastern liberal establishment republican...
He's not....I saw how the establishment hates him and listening to his speeches, he has great economic plans, and I think

That's an oxymoron. Here's the trick with free trade. It's not trade government approves of, it's trade that government has no say

Govt do ....how do you think we open markets....I mean Nafta was a govt law. We embargord cuba and the ussr. They can push for China to take our goods or we slap them....I have no.problem with that.....

Free trade has to.do with tarriffs....hence Nafta or tpp

What if we just don't charge tariffs?

That's great in theory...but what about countries that do or don't even let us export to.them?
You can't just let everyone dump theor products here...it kills our industries...Chinese steel is.one example......

Do you know what "dumping" means? How do you know China is "dumping?" There isn't much dumping in the world.

Hint, being more cost competitive isn't "dumping."

Economically, one way free trade is better than no free trade. If you know calculus and take an econ course, it's pretty intuitive. Two way free trade is certainly ideal.

And again, your whole scheme is based on government deciding what is "fair." When has that ever worked out for you? Government making life fair?

UK and EU urged to act on Chinese steel dumping after US raises duty on imports

This just repeats the accusation they are "dumping." My question was "how do you know China is 'dumping'"? An article making the accusation again doesn't answer that.

Dumping has a meaning. Being cheaper isn't it. So again, how do you know the Chinese are "dumping?"

that's funny. WIth what the Hildebeast has walked away form you really must be hurting.

Nah....we just have people who don't know trump.....they think he's a eastern liberal establishment republican...
He's not....I saw how the establishment hates him and listening to his speeches, he has great economic plans, and I think

That's an oxymoron. Here's the trick with free trade. It's not trade government approves of, it's trade that government has no say

Govt do ....how do you think we open markets....I mean Nafta was a govt law. We embargord cuba and the ussr. They can push for China to take our goods or we slap them....I have no.problem with that.....

Free trade has to.do with tarriffs....hence Nafta or tpp

What if we just don't charge tariffs?

That's great in theory...but what about countries that do or don't even let us export to.them?
You can't just let everyone dump theor products here...it kills our industries...Chinese steel is.one example......

Do you know what "dumping" means? How do you know China is "dumping?" There isn't much dumping in the world.

Hint, being more cost competitive isn't "dumping."

Economically, one way free trade is better than no free trade. If you know calculus and take an econ course, it's pretty intuitive. Two way free trade is certainly ideal.

And again, your whole scheme is based on government deciding what is "fair." When has that ever worked out for you? Government making life fair?

Our companies have rules others don't need to follow....so.they will produce it cheaper....but then we have no.jobs and no middle class

Nafta was supposed to make Mexico come up in living standards, it didn't work.
I mean if you want no tarriffs on our imports while others deny us access to markets or put tarriffs on our goods....not much I can say

You effectively want Hughe trade deficits and no mfg in the us.

I see your point. Thank God we have government to make life fair. They recognize challenges and damn it, they just love us to death and want to help us. All hail government.

So, when has that worked out for you? When has government actually made life "fair" for you?

In a choice of freedom or government making life fair for me? I'll take the former every time

 

[kaz]

You won the Republican party with 40% of the vote. You turned around and said **** you to the other 60%. And there are more Democrats than Republicans in this country. Then you said **** you to libertarians and anyone else who while being pretty unhappy with your party wanted you to step up and be worth a vote.

Trump's statement he prefers soldiers who aren't captured was an embarrassment. Sure, the press is leftist and warped his statement on Khan and Putin getting Hillary's e-mails, but welcome to being a Republican. So after saying the Supreme Court is the prize, you're about to hand it to Hillary.

Proud of yourselves?

Everyone in the Republican Party had the chance to voice their opinion of which candidate they preferred to see running for president, some may have just chosen to stay home in objection to who was left in the primary. Even though I didn't see my chosen candidate as a choice in the process, I still supported him with my vote rather than blame a party because evidently the majority sought out Trump during the Republican primary process. If a voter HAD chosen to sit it out in objection, then he shares the blame in not voicing his concern amid Trump's growing momentum.

The choice we find now comes to who has the best laid out PLAN in addressing the problems our nation faces, not whether or not they adhere to minor opinions such as submitting their tax form. A candidate's tax form doesn't meet your needs in maintaining employment, and (if we have a president who ALLOWS the Constitution's "separation of powers" to have its way) the president can't impose laws beyond what Congress and the Founder's interpretation of the Constitution allows.

If you are SO concerned by what Trump might transform this nation into, it's because our nation has allowed too much executive power to remain unchallenged under Obama.

I agree with your last point if you strike the last two words

 

[bripat9643]

Looks to me like you aren't getting anyone elected

Photo with no context: utterly meaningless, like virtually everything you post.

 

[kaz]

Will allowing them to leave provide a net increase in jobs? If so, where? That is my point about creating winners and losers. While economic theory is correct that free trade will provide an increase worldwide, it will DEFINITELY hurt some players. Do you deny this?

As an economist, you MUST SEE what has happened to our earning power, our economic growth, and our standard of living in the past 30 years or so as these ideas have been instituted. If you believe that our sluggishness in not due to these policies, then state why you believe we are in such a predicament at this time.

Mark

we already know the only loser is US American jobs. Cheaper workers and no regulations creates a loss of jobs. Period.

Correct. And bringing in H1B workers and immigrants hurts us even more.

Mark

Nonsense, trained workers are not the problems, illegal immigrants who tax our system are the problem. Trained workers grow the economy. There are plenty of jobs in this country for skilled workers, and they grow as you add skilled workers

I'm not sure the movie you're watching, but the issue is salary/benefits and regulations. And obamacare took care of a lot of businesses.

And so, if there are all of these jobs, why aren't skilled workers filling them?

what's funny here is the one person talking immigration is Trump and you beat him up. wow, you make the claim that illegals tax our system and then you're against the guy who wants to get that back under control. wow. I don't get you all.

Yep, I've pointed stuff like that out myself. These right-wingers who hate Trump so much are irrational. They are just helping Hillary get elected. Which means they are helping everything they claim to hate get elected.

I'm a "right winger?" Again, free trade is the beating heart of capitalism. Trump winning and delivering on other things I do support is the doctor curing the disease and killing the patient.

Trump wants to decide what trade is fair and American business should be allowed to engage in? OK, other than that, how was the play, Mrs. Lincoln?

 

[longknife]

Hard conservatives tend to be binary thinkers, to them there is only two kinds of anything, things they like and things they really ******* hate. They are really big on the "are you with us or against us" trope.

We're talking about Trump, not "hard conservatives." Try to pay attention. Here's a hall pass, go ahead and relieve yourself

My statement is in reference to your speculation as to why the GOP big tent is getting smaller. It's Binary thinking, It's a simplistic and lazy way of thinking common to reactionary people. The GOP worked hard to attract these ideology bound single issue voters but it is kind of blowing up in their face.

And yet Trump supporters are a minority of the party. You still used the term "hard conservatives" to describe Trump, which is ridiculous

I suppose I could call them the hard right but my point stands. Your party offered a political home to these people and now they are pissing on the rug and eating the furniture, what are you going to do about it?

Damn you're stupid. You say "your party" in this thread?

There is nothing hard conservative or even conservative about Trump. You're not very smart. I guess that explains your grades

Childish name calling. No surprise.

 

[occupied]

Hard conservatives tend to be binary thinkers, to them there is only two kinds of anything, things they like and things they really ******* hate. They are really big on the "are you with us or against us" trope.

Interetsing, as that is so often the liberal interpretation behind the cry of racism - when conservatives or their candidates are not willing to agree to (abide by) the liberal interpreted view for the role of government.

Once you realize that conservatives get highly agitated by ambiguous things that cannot be easily pigeonholed into good/bad, black/white, left/right, dog/cat, etc. it makes it remarkably easy for conservative leaders to predict your reactions to anything and control your opinions by simply supplying you with the dividing line.

 

[kaz]

Hard conservatives tend to be binary thinkers, to them there is only two kinds of anything, things they like and things they really ******* hate. They are really big on the "are you with us or against us" trope.

Interetsing, as that is so often the liberal interpretation behind the cry of racism - when conservatives or their candidates are not willing to agree to (abide by) the liberal interpreted view for the role of government.

Once you realize that conservatives get highly agitated by ambiguous things that cannot be easily pigeonholed into good/bad, black/white, left/right, dog/cat, etc. it makes it remarkably easy for conservative leaders to predict your reactions to anything and control your opinions by simply supplying you with the dividing line.

From the monolithic party who agree on every issue and for the same reasons. Classic

 

[occupied]

Hard conservatives tend to be binary thinkers, to them there is only two kinds of anything, things they like and things they really ******* hate. They are really big on the "are you with us or against us" trope.

Interetsing, as that is so often the liberal interpretation behind the cry of racism - when conservatives or their candidates are not willing to agree to (abide by) the liberal interpreted view for the role of government.

Once you realize that conservatives get highly agitated by ambiguous things that cannot be easily pigeonholed into good/bad, black/white, left/right, dog/cat, etc. it makes it remarkably easy for conservative leaders to predict your reactions to anything and control your opinions by simply supplying you with the dividing line.

From the monolithic party who agree on every issue and for the same reasons. Classic

What party are you looking at? There is much more variation among democrats but the main difference is that we do not eat our own when they fail to adhere to the letter of party dogma. Look at all the former republican heroes who have been branded heretic RINOs just because they have the gall to criticize Trump. You people do not know how to handle complex, ambiguous situations such as a republican who does not like the republican candidate.