Trump stopped from shutting down the Department of Education

[Dragonlady]

First word of this rant is a hate-screech.

Did anyone expect the rest of the rant to be worth reading?

Given that your whole goal here is to troll posts, you weren't going to read it anyway.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

Given that your whole goal here is to troll posts, you weren't going to read it anyway.

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Actually, I did read it.

Just a hate rant.

Nice try.




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[OhPleaseJustQuit]

For Republicans, "education reform" is stripping out history lessons you don't like. Lessons about slavery, racial discrimination, and the genocide of Native Americans. Anything that reflects negatively on "white people". A very smart historian once said "If your nation's history doesn't make you uncomfortable, there is something wrong with you".

Republicans want your public schools to turn out good little Republicans. Smart people want an education system that prepares students for employment in the REAL world, where they will have to deal with people who don't think like them, or look like them. Where they understand science and technology.

Republican goals for public education are at odds with the real needs of American students, and employers.

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Come down here and become a citizen and do something about it.

Until then..............................




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[Woodznutz]

Thats a nice bumper sticker but people do need education.

It's my understanding the federal Dept. of Education was tasked with funding education for some and getting access to education for others, not for education itself. In other words, they would lead the student to water, but it was left up to others to make them drink.

"Some drink deeply at the fountain of knowledge. Others just gargle."

 

[Woodznutz]

For Republicans, "education reform" is stripping out history lessons you don't like. Lessons about slavery, racial discrimination, and the genocide of Native Americans. Anything that reflects negatively on "white people". A very smart historian once said "If your nation's history doesn't make you uncomfortable, there is something wrong with you".

Republicans want your public schools to turn out good little Republicans. Smart people want an education system that prepares students for employment in the REAL world, where they will have to deal with people who don't think like them, or look like them. Where they understand science and technology.

Republican goals for public education are at odds with the real needs of American students, and employers.

Then it's a good thing that liberals have controlled education in America for decades, and all is well.

 

[Votto]

Dufus. The executive branch apply the law, execute the law, the legislative branch make laws, decide what they are, I mean, did you vote? no wonder the country is fucked.

This is the sort of crap I'm talking about. You are right, the Executive Branch is SUPOSSED to execute the laws as the Legislative branch makes the laws

But the way Progressives have structured things, the Executive branch is creating laws in the form of regulations, which is a subversion of the Constitution, much in the same way that their activist judges are not interpreting the laws to their original intent, rather, they are interpreting them the way they think society should be run.

 

[Care4all]

Again, isn't it breaking the separation of powers by the Legislative and Judicial branch telling the Executive Branch how to run their affairs?

The executive makes certain congress's legislation and bills are executed. He does not create the laws or agencies etc.....he makes certain that the laws congress creates, gets executed in the manner congress intended.

An Executive Order is suppose to be a directive that the president uses to clarify the Congressional legislation. Not to change congressional law, from what congress passed, but to execute the law more efficiently or effectively.

The president is Constitutionally bound by the laws created by Congress. And he is charged with FAITHFULLY EXECUTING THEM.


he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed


I think most of what Trump is doing to tear down what our representatives in Congress legislated and created, is unconstitutional.

 

[Votto]

The executive makes certain congress's legislation and bills are executed. He does not create the laws or agencies etc.....he makes certain that the laws congress creates, gets executed in the manner congress intended.

An Executive Order is suppose to be a directive that the president uses to clarify the Congressional legislation. Not to change congressional law, from what congress passed, but to execute the law more efficiently or effectively.

The president is Constitutionally bound by the laws created by Congress. And he is charged with FAITHFULLY EXECUTING THEM.


he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed


I think most of what Trump is doing to tear down what our representatives in Congress legislated and created, is unconstitutional.

As I have said and what you insist on ignoring is, that the adminiatrative state that the Left has set up in the US with its millions of unelected employees run is that the pass regulations that are just as good as laws Congress should be passing, thus subverting the intent of the separation of branches.

This way, the Left gets to write laws via regulation any time they please, even if conservatives run the Executive and Congress they continue their regulation writing as if the Left were still in power, and then when the head of the Executive Branch tries to do something about it, he is told he has no power to do anything to these unelected officials whose names no one really knows and whose regulations no one really knows anything about.

It's time for a change.

 

[WorldWatcher]

As I have said and what you insist on ignoring is, that the adminiatrative state that the Left has set up in the US with its millions of unelected employees run is that the pass regulations that are just as good as laws Congress should be passing, thus subverting the intent of the separation of branches.

This way, the Left gets to write laws via regulation any time they please, even if conservatives run the Executive and Congress they continue their regulation writing as if the Left were still in power, and then when the head of the Executive Branch tries to do something about it, he is told he has no power to do anything to these unelected officials whose names no one really knows and whose regulations no one really knows anything about.

It's time for a change.

So how would elections for millions of employees work?

WW

 

[Mac-7]

The executive makes certain congress's legislation and bills are executed. He does not create the laws or agencies etc.....he makes certain that the laws congress creates, gets executed in the manner congress intended.

An Executive Order is suppose to be a directive that the president uses to clarify the Congressional legislation. Not to change congressional law, from what congress passed, but to execute the law more efficiently or effectively.

The president is Constitutionally bound by the laws created by Congress. And he is charged with FAITHFULLY EXECUTING THEM.


he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed


I think most of what Trump is doing to tear down what our representatives in Congress legislated and created, is unconstitutional.

The unelected Administrative State is too large, too powerful and too unaccountable

Trump is going to whittle it down to size

 

[Care4all]

The judicial branch is coming up on a makeover.
The Federal bench will be busted down to fractured districts.... There's only one supreme Court. A district judge should not have that power.

That's nuts. With such a vast country, courts and superior courts by regional district are necessary so the defendants can be tried by a jury of their peers and be close to the court so he can attend with his lawyer.

It is one court, the federal court, with final appeal residing with the Supreme Court in D.C., if they choose to accept the appeal.

 

[mudwhistle]

Another Slapdown for Trump as Education Dept. Is Saved

President Donald Trump has been forced to walk back his plans to shut down the Department of Education. Trump announced on Thursday that he was signing an order that would “begin eliminating the federal Department of Education once and for all.” He glossed over White House Press Secretary...

www.yahoo.com

President Donald Trump has been forced to walk back his plans to shut down the Department of Education.

Trump announced on Thursday that he was signing an order that would “begin eliminating the federal Department of Education once and for all.”

He glossed over White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt’s earlier remarks that the Education Department would continue to handle student loans and Pell grants as well as other “critical functions,” including enforcing some civil rights laws and programs for students with disabilities.

The U-turn comes amid concern in the administration that Congress would balk at Trump’s plan to shutter the entire department.

Trump said he hoped that, “ultimately,” a bill would go before Congress to shut down the agency altogether.

“The Department of Education will be much smaller than it is today,” White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt said ahead of Trump’s announcement. “When it comes to student loans and Pell grants, those will still be run out of the Department of Education. But we don’t need to be spending more than $3 trillion over the course of a few decades on a department that’s clearly failing in its initial intention to educate our students.”

What seems strange to me is that Congress and the Judicial branch seemingly has power over the Executive Branch. Why is that?

Trump is at the head of the Executive Branch, so it stands to reason he should be in control over it. It would be akin to Trump telling Congress what to do in any way with their branch.

Congress should have created the Fourth Branch of government under the Legislative branch instead of the Executive if they wanted to keep control over it.

Of course, you have an army of Federal judges doing the same thing to Trump, trying to tell him what he can and cannot do under the Constitution. But if I recall, the Constitution has nothing to say about an absolute army of unelected bureaucrats basically running the country.

Nothing.

The OP is hogwash. Trump said from the beginning that he would continue grants. The primary decisions for curriculum would and should rest with the states. But the funny thing is, that's what's already going on. However, the Dept of Education in the past was forcing states to follow their directives and using money to keep them in line. He's ending that. He already said that congress would have to eliminate the DOE completely. The main reason we had a DOE in the first place was because Jimmy Carter was doing teacher's unions a favor.

 

[Care4all]

The unelected Administrative State is too large, too powerful and too unaccountable

Trump is going to whittle it down to size

So far ....he's been in the least, temporarily stopped by the Courts, on most of the cuts and E/Os for being unconstitutional.

 

[Votto]

The OP is hogwash. Trump said from the beginning that he would continue grants. The primary decisions for curriculum would and should rest with the states. But the funny thing is, that's what's already going on. However, the Dept of Education in the past was forcing states to follow their directives and using money to keep them in line. He's ending that. He already said that congress would have to eliminate the DOE completely. The main reason we had a DOE in the first place was because Jimmy Carter was doing teacher's unions a favor.

Not to worry, Trump has a myriad of activist liberal judges tell him if and when he is complying with the law and when he is not.

 

[WorldWatcher]

The unelected Administrative State is too large, too powerful and too unaccountable

Trump is going to whittle it down to size

Not without Congress.

WW

 

[Votto]

Not without Congress.

WW

Translation, it's not going to happen.

Once freedom is surrendered to a tyrannical power of any form, they never give it back.

 

[WorldWatcher]

The unelected Administrative State is too large, too powerful and too unaccountable

Trump is going to whittle it down to size

Not without Congress.

He’s pretty much handing the DEMs the midterm through chaos.

WW

 

[mudwhistle]

Not to worry, Trump has a myriad of activist liberal judges tell him if and when he is complying with the law and when he is not.

Sorry, but he is complying with the law. Those judges are the ones not complying with the constitution.
No single person should be able to tell the president how to run his administration.
But that's what they're trying to do.
And the Chief justice is in on it.
Judge Roberts, and his buddies in their little club, think they're president.

 

[Mac-7]

Not without Congress.

He’s pretty much handing the DEMs the midterm through chaos.

WW

Hopefully congress will follow in the wake of trump and make the changes perminant

 

[Mac-7]

So far ....he's been in the least, temporarily stopped by the Courts, on most of the cuts and E/Os for being unconstitutional.

The partisan political judges have come out in force

But I suspect trump will win a majority of the court fights