Trump signs executive order setting 30-day deadline for drugmakers to lower prescription drug costs (Poll)

[sartre play]

Yeah but one exectuve order can, apparently change all of that.

AN EX ORDER IS NOT A LAW. ITS just saying stuff some people want to hear.

 

[NetJedi]

Yup. They are. I've been telling you - MAGA is socialist. And Nationalist. Sort of a National Socialist Party. Whodathunkit?

Do you understand the difference between price controls and the buyer telling the seller what he is willing to pay for the product.

Or are you one of those folks that believes that the Federal Government should just pay whatever the seller demands?

 

[dblack]

Do you understand the difference between price controls and the buyer telling the seller what he is willing to pay for the product.

I understand partisan hacks with no principles. You'll defend anything Trump does, right? Is there any point in discussing it further?

Or are you one of those folks that believes that the Federal Government should just pay whatever the seller demands?

The federal government shouldn't be paying for our health care. It's a bad idea. This thread is why.

But it's an even worse idea to use the mess it creates as an excuse to dictate prices.

 

[g5000]

Do you understand the difference between price controls and the buyer telling the seller what he is willing to pay for the product.

Or are you one of those folks that believes that the Federal Government should just pay whatever the seller demands?

This is unequivocal price controls.

Do you know what happens every time a government tries to inflict price controls?

Scarcity.

Every. Time.

 

[NetJedi]

I understand partisan hacks with no principles. You'll defend anything Trump does, right? Is there any point in discussing it further?

I actually read the EO instead of listening to partisan hacks, the EO seeks to set the prices that Medicare and Medicaid will pay for drugs, which is the BUYER (Medicare and Medicaid) telling the SELLER (Drug Companies) what it's willing to pay for their products based on what the SELLER is charging other customers (developed foreign countries).

Nice try on the ad hominem logical fallacy though.

The federal government shouldn't be paying for our health care. It's a bad idea. It's an even worse idea to use the mess it creates as an excuse to dictate prices.

I agree, the Federal Government shouldn't be involved in health care AT ALL, however as long as it is, as a taxpayer I don't want drug companies dictating the prices the Federal Government pays for drugs and my elected Representatives simply agreeing to whatever the drug companies' demand, especially given those same Drug Companies are charging foreigners vastly lower prices for the same exact drugs and forcing American Taxpayers to make up the difference to keep those Companies margins fat.

 

[Oddball]

Do you consider telling the local grocery store that you refuse to pay $50 for a loaf of bread a "price control"?

What's the difference between that and the Executive Branch telling Merck that it won't pay $1,300 a dose for a drug that costs $88 in the UK?

False equivalence....There's no massive bureaucracy (i.e. FDA) that has merged with the food industry, making the food egregiously costly.

There are numerous reasons that PigPharm gouges the **** out of us -demands for third party payors of all medical bills for a big one...Price controls only attack the symptom, not the underlying causes.

 

[Oddball]

Yup. They are. I've been telling you - MAGA is socialist. And Nationalist. Sort of a National Socialist Party. Whodathunkit?

Riiiight...No Godwin like a passive-aggressive Godwin.

Meanwhile, lookit all the ******* poseurs, themselves highly fascistic. who've all-of-a-sudden taken to sounding like Hayek....Making me physically ill.

 

[NetJedi]

False equivalence....There's no massive bureaucracy (i.e. FDA) that has merged with the food industry, making the food egregiously costly.

LOL, it's not an "equivalency" it's an analogy and IMHO a fitting one.

There are numerous reasons that PigPharm gouges the **** out of us -demands for third party payors of all medical bills for a big one...Price controls only attack the symptom, not the underlying causes.

Cool, again this isn't a "price control", it's the BUYER (Medicare/Medicaid) telling the SELLER (Drug Companies) how much it's willing to pay for the product based on the price the SELLER is charging other customers (Developed Foreign Nations) for the exact same product.

Read the EO, pay particular attention to section 5 and who it's directing to do what.

 

[Oddball]

Cool, again this isn't a "price control", it's the BUYER (Medicare/Medicaid) telling the SELLER (Drug Companies) how much it's willing to pay for the product based on the price the SELLER is charging other customers (Developed Foreign Nations) for the exact same product.

Yes....We call that corporate merger.....Fascism with a few extra steps.

Again, attack the cause, not the symptom.

 

[dblack]

I actually read the EO ...

Me too. And you're just making shit up. The EO does NOT constrain the demands for equal pricing to Medicare and Medicare. Trump is demanding that these companies sell to all Americans at the same prices they offer to other countries.

I agree, the Federal Government shouldn't be involved in health care AT ALL, however as long as it is ...

Yes. This is the pattern we've seen. Democrats promote more and more dependency on the government, and Republicans show us why that's a bad idea.

 

[kyzr]

This is unequivocal price controls.
Do you know what happens every time a government tries to inflict price controls?
Scarcity. Every. Time.

Surprisingly, I disagree.

I do agree that price controls are a generally bad idea. This EO is not about price controls as much as it is price fairness.

Overall, worldwide, Drug prices can rise, its just that the US will not allow price gouging anymore.

 

[Dragonlady]

Listen to the babies cry about an EO that prevents price gouging. Why? Because they’re useful idiots for the Marxist philosophy of “from each/to each” on the international pharmaceutical market.

How will the EO prevent price gouging??? It's not legal. There is nothing in the EO which sets out a penalty if the drug companies don't comply. It's merely an unenforceable suggestion that drug companies are under no compunction to obey.

Stop wasting our time with your reality show presidency - all show, no go, and start obeying both the law and the Constitution.

Maybe if Trump starts following the laws and the rules, he actually get things done.

 

[Orangecat]

How will the EO prevent price gouging??? It's not legal. There is nothing in the EO which sets out a penalty if the drug companies don't comply. It's merely an unenforceable suggestion that drug companies are under no compunction to obey.

Stop wasting our time with your reality show presidency - all show, no go, and start obeying both the law and the Constitution.

Maybe if Trump starts following the laws and the rules, he actually get things done.

You’re in Canada. Not your circus, not your monkeys. STFU and MYOFB.

 

[g5000]

You’re in Canada. Not your circus, not your monkeys. STFU and MYOFB.

In other words, you have no cogent response to her post.

 

[Rambunctious]

So you want this country to go full blown communist and use government to dictate the prices companies can charge the people!

If the taxpayers are paying for something there must be price controls... and having the feds pay for medical or drugs or any benefit is already socialist by definition.... and I thought you tards liked that....
Dems use to say big pharma is ripping us off to cover for foreign price controls... they never did anything about it but they once pretended to care...

 

[NetJedi]

Me too. And you're just making shit up. The EO does NOT constrain the demands for equal pricing to Medicare and Medicare. Trump is demanding that these companies sell to all Americans at the same prices they offer to other countries.

It directs the Secretary of HHS in Coordination with Administrator for the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid to publish a list of price targets to drug manufacturers based on prices charged to comparably developed nations.

It doesn't say anything about setting price caps in the private markets, you know why? The Executive Branch doesn't have the Constitutional Authority to do that, and the Trump Administration is well aware of that fact. All it can do is enforce anti-competition legislation and import restrictions that are already on the books (which the EO also directs the relevant agencies to do).

I understand that the Trump Administration made this sound like all drug prices in all domestic markets would be lowered to these targets but that's just political speak to fool the plebs that can't understand legalese and aren't aware of how Constitutionally delegated authority works.

 

[Orangecat]

In other words, you have no cogent response to her post.

IOW, I’ve no desire to get into an opinion argument with an irrelevant imbecile.
Same applies to your dumb, triggered ass.

 

[jc456]

AN EX ORDER IS NOT A LAW. ITS just saying stuff some people want to hear.

why doesn't broadcast tv air everyone's ads? You know, those companies that aren't demofkish? Isn't that price control? Limiting exposure to products? I get that demofks are stupid, but to be this stupid is above your pay grade.

 

[g5000]

No one can explain why Trump repealed the two EO's Biden signed which lowered drug prices.

Also, when Trump released his EO, the stock prices of pharma companies jumped UP.

Hmmm...

 

[22lcidw]

So you’re for price controls?

Thats terrific...

Can we get them on eggs, steak, cars, utility bills, etc???

So other nations pay cheaper prices for the same. Yu guys would complain all the time. What they are asking for is cost. You guys love the trade deals. Europe is advance in socialism due to us paying the freight. You hate the whites anyway. And the socialism works best in white areas for some reason. Of course, many of the products we purchase are from overseas slaves in manufacturing. You like that. To know that hard labor manufacturing employees in China are smarter or educated better than a percentage of our DEI people is mind numbing.