frigidweirdo
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And your proving my point.. Democrats.. or leftists or whatever you are ...are out for the interests of foreign nations not the U.S..... you think we should pay more, but the reality is... all of those European nations want to pay LESS and want us to pick up the tab as well.
if we are currently paying 14 % and so is Germany than thats fine.... I could care less about their GDP... that is THEIR back yard... the more they have to pay... then the more they will be engaged and concerned about their policies with Russia and not just sitting back and sipping lattes. I realize though that this concept must be very alien to you and hard to grasp.
Just remember how the Germans laughed at Trump openly when he suggested they should not be dependent on Russian fuel... and this was before the war that none of them.. or you saw coming.
secondly... yes the U.S. has troops in Japan and the ME. Well, guess what? Europeans buy Saudi oil as well....so THEY are benefiting by us having our troops stationed there.... CHINA is a world problem, not just a problem for Japan, Taiwan and the United States. If we are keeping our troops there as a deterent... it is also benefiting the Europeans.... and they dont have to lift a finger. We also have been keeping our soldiers in Europe ever since the big war when we bailed them out from their mistakes.... so YES... they should be compensating by paying more.. and that would be fair and rational for all the reasons I just mentioned.
So, you don't even read what I wrote.
NATO is the US's tool. It was the US's alliance against the Soviet Union. That was at a time when the USSR had the Warsaw Pact. So each side had their lackeys to support them.
Now the situation is different. Now China is rising and Russia is being aggressive. The US needs all the allies it can get.
NATO, plus Japan, South Korea, Australia and New Zealand have a population that is smaller than China's.
But Trump was the one damaging the alliance by angering other NATO members, Japan and South Korea. You're talking about the left being the problem. That's nonsense.
So you want the US to pay the same as Germany even though their POPULATION, not their GDP, is four time smaller? So you think it's only fair that a country like Iceland with a population of 387,000 people should pay the same money as the USA with a population of 330 million?
That's ridiculous.
Yes, these countries have benefited from the US's attacks on OPEC. They didn't ask for it, the US did it and did it in the way it did for US interests. Afghanistan, a US issue, and yet they got NATO to go in and try and sort it out, which they couldn't because of bad US policies.
The reality is that if the US angers its allies, the US might find itself without allies. Then what? You think the US can be a major player in the world without allies? Without bases in Europe, or Japan, South Korea etc, the US isn't anything.
But I guess the Trump supporters don't care to do research, to understand issues. They simply listen to someone say "NATO needs to pay more" and you hear it and say "I like the sound of that" and that's your opinion right there.... simplistic and based on ignorance.