Trump orders US government to cut ties with Anthropic Just Hours Before Deadline

[Anomalism]

You care so much about proving you're "apolitical" that you've bought into a blindly partisan argument from one of the most left wing news establishments on the planet.

The irony is it makes your entire argument innately political.

There are a lot of places covering this. I think I've demonstrated pretty clearly I don't give a **** about politics other than doing thought experiments and asking weird questions.

I'm not bending anything here. I'm not a Trump hater. I have no side. I have researched this and this is my honest human perspective.

 

[Captain Creeper]

I don't care about your point. I care about not fulfilling our own prophecy about a dystopian future.

You argue like a child. You are completely ignoring the commerce part of this.

 

[Anomalism]

It does not miss the point. You are arguing about the need for a debate on the ethics of AI. I do not disagree with that. What I disagree with is the notion that Anthropic is being punished. They are taking their product and availing it of the stream of commerce with the desire to profit. That is a totally separate issue than your ethical issue.

If Anthropic is TRULY concerned about ethics, then they can keep their product off the market until all the issues have been thoroughly fleshed out. But they don’t. They want both the profit and the ability to control how their product is used after it is purchased by a customer. You cannot do that.

They are clearly genuinely concerned. They turned down contracts that would be an enormous boon to them and their investors. They would not have made a decision like that lightly. How serious would you need to be about something to turn down a billion dollars by sticking to your guns?

 

[RhodyPatriot]

There are a lot of places covering this. I think I've demonstrated pretty clearly I don't give a **** about politics other than doing thought experiments and asking weird questions.

I'm not bending anything here. I'm not a Trump hater. I have no side. I have researched this and this is my honest human perspective.

Yes yes we get it.

You're a completely independent free thinking individual and we are all partisan dullards whose arguments can all be dismissed as "politics".

Let your main character energy shine!

 

[Anomalism]

You argue like a child. You are completely ignoring the commerce part of this.

I understand that the government is naturally going to gravitate toward an AI company that will do whatever they want. That is obvious. I don't understand why that's the part you're fixated on.

The point is the ethical issues. Anthropic was so concerned about this that they turned down what would have been a huge economic boon to them and their investors. And then the government tried to punish them by publicly giving them a negative label. A lot of AI researchers are taking Anthropic's side on this as well.

 

[Anomalism]

Yes yes we get it.

You're a completely independent free thinking individual and we are all partisan dullards whose arguments can all be dismissed as "politics".

Let your main character energy shine!

I can't control whatever insecurity is making you think I'm saying I'm better than you.

I'm worried about the ethical implications of this issue.

 

[RhodyPatriot]

I can't control whatever insecurity is making you think I'm saying I'm better than you.

I'm worried about the ethical implications of this issue.

Not insecurity.

Character assessment.

When your last line of attack is "Your political!", it kinda gives up the ghost.

 

[Anomalism]

Not insecurity.

Character assessment.

When your last line of attack is "Your political!", it kinda gives up the ghost.

Your framing makes it obvious that this is political for you.

 

[scruffy]

Do you think they won't turn this technology against citizens? Remember that thing where the government was spying on everybody? Less chance of whistleblowers when they can just use AI.

It's whatever.

I think I just changed my mind about our trajectory. We might be fucked after all.

Two important words here:

Competition, and cooperation.

We are not in a competition with AI.

The best possible outcome is cooperation: a symbiotic relationship.

Such a thing develops over time, it doesn't happen right away. It's too early to be depressed about outcomes.

 

[RhodyPatriot]

Your framing makes it obvious that this is political for you.

"Framing"?

Hhhmmm...where have I heard that before?

Have a good night.

 

[RhodyPatriot]

Two important words here:

Competition, and cooperation.

We are not in a competition with AI.

The best possible outcome is cooperation: a symbiotic relationship.

Such a thing develops over time, it doesn't happen right away. It's too early to be depressed about outcomes.

Remember just a few years ago when robots were going to replace the entire blue collar work force?

What happened?

Now they've switched to the white collar fear mongering.

The truth is we don't have even close to the resources/infrastructure required for AI to take down the workforce.

Nor do the masters of our consumer based society have any interest in such a notion.

In reality, a lot of these "AI Layoffs" are CEOs cleaning house and using our would-be robot overlords as an excuse.

Nothing more.

 

[Captain Creeper]

I understand that the government is naturally going to gravitate toward an AI company that will do whatever they want. That is obvious. I don't understand why that's the part you're fixated on.

The point is the ethical issues. Anthropic was so concerned about this that they turned down what would have been a huge economic boon to them and their investors. And then the government tried to punish them by publicly giving them a negative label. A lot of AI researchers are taking Anthropic's side on this as well.

I made clear that the ethical debate is worth having.

 

[Anomalism]

I made clear that the ethical debate is worth having.

That's the only thing I've been focused on the entire time.

 

[Captain Creeper]

That's the only thing I've been focused on the entire time.

There is more to it than that.

 

[scruffy]

That's the only thing I've been focused on the entire time.

You're aware that every accredited university in the US is offering graduate classes in AI ethics?

It's not like this issue is flying under the radar screen.

 

[Anomalism]

There is more to it than that.

The ethical debate is far more important here.

 

[Anomalism]

You're aware that every accredited university in the US is offering graduate classes in AI ethics?

It's not like this issue is flying under the radar screen.

That's why AI researchers are siding with Anthropic. Turning it into a super weapon, especially without defined safeguards and ethical limits, is a stupid ******* idea.

 

[scruffy]

That's why AI researchers are siding with Anthropic. Turning it into a super weapon, especially without defined safeguards and ethical limits, is a stupid ******* idea.

We're talking apples and oranges.

Claude AI writes code, it's not a missile and it's not "in" a missile.

It only helps PEOPLE write the code that goes into a missile

 

[Anomalism]

We're talking apples and oranges.

Claude AI writes code, it's not a missile and it's not "in" a missile.

It only helps PEOPLE write the code that goes into a missile

It's deeper than that and I've already explained why.

 

[Darkwind]

They didn't turn it down.

They got fired.

They literally told the Pentagon they could "have a conversation" if there was ever a nuclear strike.

This was deemed an insufficient response.

And rightfully so.

Our military, when they need to act, must be able to act immediately to meet the security needs of the nation.

There is no time to have 'conversations,' and no one gave them a seat at the table of military policy.

They are a tool, like an F-35 Jet.

Their claim that they could not accept surveillance on the American people falls hollow. They keep track and tabs on anyone who uses their platform.

Rules for thee, but not Me.