Trump orders homeless evictions in DC

[Marener]

Ever hear of a thing called a "prison" dumbass?

Ever heard of due process?

 

[Correll]

What is the solution? Nobody in this nation knows.

Step one, don't let them ruin communities with their problems.

 

[martybegan]

Ever heard of due process?

Involuntary commitment can be done with that, it just takes the will to do it.

 

[Marener]

We have state laws that allow commitment. I have used it many times. The constitution has nothing to do with it. The problem is we cant hold them for more than few weeks. Some need life long treatment.

Commitment is not an easy process and requires a high bar be met before being utilized.

 

[Marener]

Involuntary commitment can be done with that, it just takes the will to do it.

Only if certain criteria are met. Such as imminent threat to oneself or others, lack of decisionality.

Commitment can't be used to make problems disappear behind locked doors.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

No matter what state. No matter what city. The tents are the same. Where do people get these tents?!

 

[martybegan]

Only if certain criteria are met. Such as imminent threat to oneself or others, lack of decisionality.

Commitment can't be used to make problems disappear behind locked doors.

the issue is homeless "Advocates" fighting these commitments tooth and nail, not the laws themselves.

The bar isn't as high as you think.

You are the same people that thought new laws were needed to shut the border, and Trump proved you idiots wrong on that as well.

 

[Marener]

the issue is homeless "Advocates" fighting these commitments tooth and nail, not the laws themselves.

The bar isn't as high as you think.

You are the same people that thought new laws were needed to shut the border, and Trump proved you idiots wrong on that as well.

You can't commit people because they're homeless. The bar is high, unless you have corrupt judges who will do whatever the authoritarians say. It takes a lot to deprive people of their rights and freedoms. Or at least it should.

The fact that you don't want Congress passing laws to address problems just shows your authoritarian side.

 

[Delldude]

One problem is the refusal of care and denial

You usually can't force someone into therapy.

Who's the last person to realize they have a problem?

 

[martybegan]

You can't commit people because they're homeless. The bar is high, unless you have corrupt judges who will do whatever the authoritarians say. It takes a lot to deprive people of their rights and freedoms. Or at least it should.

The fact that you don't want Congress passing laws to address problems just shows your authoritarian side.

You commit them because they can't take care of themselves due to their drug use and/or mental illness.

Why do you guys fight so hard for these people to stay on the street to die?

Congress didn't need to pass new law for the immigration crisis, the laws were already on the books, they just needed to be enforced with vigor.

 

[Missourian]

You can't commit people because they're homeless. The bar is high, unless you have corrupt judges who will do whatever the authoritarians say. It takes a lot to deprive people of their rights and freedoms. Or at least it should.

The fact that you don't want Congress passing laws to address problems just shows your authoritarian side.

So, what is your solution?

 

[Marener]

You commit them because they can't take care of themselves due to their drug use and/or mental illness.

Why do you guys fight so hard for these people to stay on the street to die?

Congress didn't need to pass new law for the immigration crisis, the laws were already on the books, they just needed to be enforced with vigor.

All I'm doing is telling you what the Constitution allows and doesn't allow. You don't want to help them, you just want them to be out of sight.

 

[Hafar1014]

You usually can't force someone into therapy.

Who's the last person to realize they have a problem?

Sure we can I have done it many times
In Pennsylvania, a 302 refers to an involuntary commitment for emergency evaluation and treatment of a person believed to be a danger to themselves or others due to a mental illness. This process, under Section 302 of the Pennsylvania Mental Health Procedures Act, allows for a temporary hold, typically up to 120 hours, in a psychiatric or healthcare facility. A "302" can be initiated by various individuals, including concerned family members, law enforcement, or medical professionals.

 

[martybegan]

All I'm doing is telling you what the Constitution allows and doesn't allow. You don't want to help them, you just want them to be out of sight.

giving them just enough help so they die slowly on the street in filth is "helping them"?

 

[Hafar1014]

All I'm doing is telling you what the Constitution allows and doesn't allow. You don't want to help them, you just want them to be out of sight.

In Pennsylvania, a 302 refers to an involuntary commitment for emergency evaluation and treatment of a person believed to be a danger to themselves or others due to a mental illness. This process, under Section 302 of the Pennsylvania Mental Health Procedures Act, allows for a temporary hold, typically up to 120 hours, in a psychiatric or healthcare facility. A "302" can be initiated by various individuals, including concerned family members, law enforcement, or medical professionals.
Here's a more detailed breakdown:

• Purpose:
  The primary purpose of a 302 is to ensure the safety of individuals experiencing a mental health crisis and those around them.
  
  
• • Initiation:
    A 302 can be initiated by a "petitioner" who believes the individual meets the criteria for involuntary commitment. This petitioner can be a family member, friend, or even a professional who has witnessed the individual's behavior.
    
  • Criteria:
    To be subject to a 302, an individual must be deemed to be a danger to themselves or others due to a mental illness. This may involve threats of self-harm, harm to others, or an inability to care for themselves.
    
  • Duration:
    A 302 commitment typically lasts for a maximum of 120 hours (5 days).
    
  • 303 Hearing:
    If further treatment is deemed necessary beyond the initial 120 hours, a 303 hearing is held to determine if an extension is warranted. The original petitioner may be required to attend this hearing.
    
  • Potential Outcomes:
    After the 302 period, the individual may be released, continue treatment voluntarily, or potentially be subject to further involuntary commitment under Section 303 or 304.
    
  • Record Keeping:
    While a 302 may be part of an individual's medical record, it generally does not appear on standard background checks, according to JustAnswer.
    
  • Expungement:
    In some cases, individuals may be able to have a 302 commitment expunged from their record through a court process.

 

[Marener]

giving them just enough help so they die slowly on the street in filth is "helping them"?

I'm down with giving them far more help than they are getting, but that requires a lot of money going to things you guys don't like.

 

[Delldude]

Sure we can I have done it many times
In Pennsylvania, a 302 refers to an involuntary commitment for emergency evaluation and treatment of a person believed to be a danger to themselves or others due to a mental illness. This process, under Section 302 of the Pennsylvania Mental Health Procedures Act, allows for a temporary hold, typically up to 120 hours, in a psychiatric or healthcare facility. A "302" can be initiated by various individuals, including concerned family members, law enforcement, or medical professionals.

Get real.....a 302 isn't a commitment for therapy.

 

[martybegan]

I'm down with giving them far more help than they are getting, but that requires a lot of money going to things you guys don't like.

We throw plenty of money at the problem already, most going to NGO's of "Advocates" and government employees running "homeless services" type departments.

The homeless industry is designed to perpetuate the problem, not solve it.

 

[Mac-7]

Okay, so you only care about addicts in the streets.

And your solution is to just lock them up and forget about them.

So wise.

In your thinking if we cant wipe out drug abuse for everyone in America then we have to allow homeless drug encampments throughout our cities?

Thats crazy

 

[Hafar1014]

Get real.....a 302 isn't a commitment for therapy.

What do you think happens to them. They get assessed then treated thats therapy
Here's a more detailed breakdown:

• Purpose:
  The primary purpose of a 302 is to ensure the safety of individuals experiencing a mental health crisis and those around them.
  
  
• • Initiation:
    A 302 can be initiated by a "petitioner" who believes the individual meets the criteria for involuntary commitment. This petitioner can be a family member, friend, or even a professional who has witnessed the individual's behavior.
    
  • Criteria:
    To be subject to a 302, an individual must be deemed to be a danger to themselves or others due to a mental illness. This may involve threats of self-harm, harm to others, or an inability to care for themselves.
    
  • Duration:
    A 302 commitment typically lasts for a maximum of 120 hours (5 days).
    
  • 303 Hearing:
    If further treatment is deemed necessary beyond the initial 120 hours, a 303 hearing is held to determine if an extension is warranted. The original petitioner may be required to attend this hearing.
    
  • Potential Outcomes:
    After the 302 period, the individual may be released, continue treatment voluntarily, or potentially be subject to further involuntary commitment under Section 303 or 304.
    
  • Record Keeping:
    While a 302 may be part of an individual's medical record, it generally does not appear on standard background checks, according to JustAnswer.
    
  • Expungement:
    In some cases, individuals may be able to have a 302 commitment expunged from their record through a court process.