Trump Makes Full-Throated Attack On Obama!

[PoliticalChic]

1. "That is the problem with stop and frisk policy. It does not require any reasonable suspicion."
False.

Just because you say it is false does not make it so. It is a FACT that the policy does not require resonable suspicion as that is why it was struck.

2. I explained the meaning of "The Constitutioin is not a suicide pact."
I provided the Supreme Court Decision that provides police with the authority to stop those whom they deem suspicious.

There are folks for whom reality is not a factor in their world views....and you appear to be one.

Personal insults, the last bastion of those without an argument. try again. I explained the problem with the case you cited.

3. I wonder if you would care to explain, and address the following:

a. "Every year, approximately 6,000 blacks are murdered. This is a number greater than white and Hispanic homicide victims combined, even though blacks are only 13 percent of the national population.

Blacks are killed at six times the rate of whites and Hispanics combined. In Los Angeles, blacks between the ages of 20 and 24 die at a rate 20 to 30 times the national mean.

Who is killing them?

Not the police, and not white civilians, but other blacks. The astronomical black death-by-homicide rate is a function of the black crime rate. Black males between the ages of 14 and 17 commit homicide at ten times the rate of white and Hispanic male teens combined. Blacks of all ages commit homicide at eight times the rate of whites and Hispanics combined, and at eleven times the rate of whites alone." The Danger of the “Black Lives Matter” Movement



b. And this....

"Blacks make up 23 percent of New York City’s population, but they commit 75 percent of all shootings, 70 percent of all robberies, and 66 percent of all violent crime, according to victims and witnesses.

Add Hispanic shootings and you account for 98 percent of all illegal gunfire in the city. Whites are 33 percent of the city’s population, but they commit fewer than two percent of all shootings, four percent of all robberies, and five percent of all violent crime.

[Don't even bother looking for Asian crime statistics.]

These disparities mean that virtually every time the police in New York are called out on a gun run—meaning that someone has just been shot—they are being summoned tominority neighborhoods looking for minority suspects.

c. The geographic disparities are also huge. In Brownsville, Brooklyn, the per capita shooting rate is 81 times higher than in nearby Bay Ridge, Brooklyn—the first neighborhood predominantly black, the second neighborhood predominantly white and Asian. As a result, police presence and use of proactive tactics are much higher in Brownsville than in Bay Ridge.

This incidence of crime means that innocent black men have a much higher chance than innocent white men of being stopped by the police because they match the description of a suspect. This is not something the police choose. It is a reality..." The Danger of the “Black Lives Matter” Movement

BTW....Brownsville has a population about 20% less than Bay Ridge....but 'the per capita shooting rate is 81 times higher than in nearby Bay Ridge, Brooklyn'

Explain or address what? None of that is material to the discussion at hand. I have no issues with the fact that black people are stopped more than other races. I have no issue with the fact that police have a larger presence in high crime arias as they should and certainly do not care what the race of the individuals in those neighborhoods are. None of that is the problem with stop and frisk. The problem is that we have a constitution that protects the rights of Americans and that includes the protection from the state simply stopping you and performing a search without just cause.

You still refuse to acknowledge that inconvenient fact.

Any 'reasonable suspicion' in the above?

Nope, there is no reasonable suspicion above. It applies to all people and reasonable suspicion does not mean that a cop can stop and search you simply because of who you are without any evidence of a crime. You essentially just said that being black is enough evidence to warrant a search. That is not just asinine but it is a big government position that would give the state the ability to completely disregard your rights at virtually any time.

"The geographic disparities are also huge. In Brownsville, Brooklyn, the per capita shooting rate is 81 times higher than in nearby Bay Ridge, Brooklyn—the first neighborhood predominantly black, the second neighborhood predominantly white and Asian. As a result, police presence and use of proactive tactics are much higher in Brownsville than in Bay Ridge.

This incidence of crime means that innocent black men have a much higher chance than innocent white men of being stopped by the police because they match the description of a suspect. This is not something the police choose. It is a reality..." The Danger of the “Black Lives Matter” Movement

BTW....Brownsville has a population about 20% less than Bay Ridge....but 'the per capita shooting rate is 81 times higher than in nearby Bay Ridge, Brooklyn'"

Yet...your response is "there is no reasonable suspicion above."


There Are None So Blind
As Those Who Will Not See

And here you are repeating a statement that I already agreed with and have no problem with. None of the above has anything to do with my contention because I acknowledge those facts and agreed with your assessment of them. You are trying to hide behind those facts so that you do not have to address the actual point which has nothing to do with what you stated above.

Would you care to try again?

You are denying the most successful regimen against the criminal population that preys on their own folks, and the ability of trained police to make the sort of judgments that enable said regimen.

That's absurd.

So that is a no, you are not going to address the points. Not really surprised.

What I am denying is the state the right to ignore the constitution. It is saddening to me to see so many 'conservatives' that claim to uphold the constitution ignore it just like the left does. The only real difference between the right and the left is what particular parts of the constitution they wish to ignore. They all lead to government largess and the abolition of rights in the end though.

Except that you are in serious error.

It has been adjudicated and found that stops are legal.


Hand-wringing over the shooting is absurd as a solution.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

“Trump Makes Full-Throated Attack On Obama!”

Trump propagates more lies about the president – that Trump is an enemy of the truth comes as no surprise.

 

[LeftofLeft]

OMG!!!

An attack on the first black President....Barack Hussein Obama!

This speech today can be seen as nothing less:



"This is a national crisis, and it is the job of the next President to work with our governors and mayors to address this crisis and save African-American lives.

Last year, we saw a 17% rise in violent crime in our fifty largest cities. Homicides are up nearly 50% in Washington, D.C. and more than 60% in Baltimore.

More than 3,000 have been shot in Chicago so far this year alone.

Nationwide, approximately 60% of murder victims under the age of 22 are African-American.

Every single American in this country is entitled to live in a safe community. The violence against our citizens, and our law enforcement, must be brought to an end.

The people who will suffer the most as a result of these riots, are law-abiding African-American residents who live in these communities. It is their jobs, housing markets, schools and economic conditions that will suffer – and the first duty of government is to protect their well-being and safety.

There is no compassion in tolerating lawless conduct. Crime and violence is an attack on the poor, and will never be accepted in a Trump Administration."
Trump: We Need A National Anti-Crime Effort Based On Rudy Giuliani's Success In New York




What possible response can Obama or his coterie of supporters raise???

Sounds like he's running against the record and policies incumbent President who has been in office for two consecutive terms and not eligible to be on the ballot this election. If you people weren't so ******* quick to blame every critique of Obama as an atrack on the Black President, you'd realize Trump is doing the same goddamn thing that Obama did in 2008 when he "attacked" Bush.

It worked. Obama won.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Sure he has. Your denial is stupid.

Like what ? What are trumps solutions ?

Obama has come out and spoke about police and protesters many times and the right kills him no matter what he says .

Gads, yo're a fool......


"Look at the example of Mayor Rudy Giuliani in New York. The policies he put into place ultimately brought down crime by 76 percent and murder by 84 percent. Think of how many families these policies saved from the worst heartache imaginable.

We need a national anti-crime agenda to make our cities safe again.

I will appoint the best prosecutors, investigators and federal law enforcement officers in the country to dismantle the international cartels, gangs and criminal syndicates – and I will stop the drugs from flowing into our country.

My Administration will work with local communities and local officials to make the reduction of crime a top priority.

Safety is the foundation of the ladder to American success: a great education, and a good-paying job. To have the best schools, and the best jobs, you must have safe communities."
Trump

Everyone hated Rudy . He was being run out of town until 911 happened.


We are safer than ever . It's the GOP living off of spreading fear .

"We are safer than ever "


"Riots Erupt in Milwaukee After Another Fatal Police Shooting "
Riots Erupt in Milwaukee After Another Fatal Police Shooting (UPDATED)


Is that you on the end?

Crime is Down. You look at history wh rose colored glasses . I'm old enough to remember the Rodney king riots up and down the west coast .

You think crime was less in the 90s? 80s? 70s!!!

"Crime is Down"

Really?



"Violent crime and murders both went up in 2015, FBI says

Homicides in the United States went up by more than 10 percent in 2015 over the year before, while violent crime increased by nearly 4 percent in the same period, according to new statistics released Monday by the FBI."

Violent crime and murders both went up in 2015, FBI says




Remember the last time you were correct?

Me neither.

 

[PoliticalChic]

“Trump Makes Full-Throated Attack On Obama!”

Trump propagates more lies about the president – that Trump is an enemy of the truth comes as no surprise.

From the NYTimes...

"Americans of all political persuasions are coming to the sad realization that our First Lady -- a woman of undoubted talents who was a role model for many in her generation -- is a congenital liar.

Drip by drip, like Whitewater torture, the case is being made that she is compelled to mislead, and to ensnare her subordinates and friends in a web of deceit.

1. Remember the story she told about studying The Wall Street Journal to explain her 10,000 percent profit in 1979 commodity trading? We now know that was a lie told to turn aside accusations that as the Governor's wife she profited corruptly, her account being run by a lawyer for state poultry interests through a disreputable broker.

She lied for good reason: To admit otherwise would be to confess taking, and paying taxes on, what some think amounted to a $100,000 bribe."
http://www.nytimes.com/1996/01/08/opinion/essay-blizzard-of-lies.html?_r=0



A congenital liar and a bag-woman for her husband.


Great choice for President.....
...but, better than the last one you picked.

 

[hazlnut]

OMG!!!

An attack on the first black President....Barack Hussein Obama!

This speech today can be seen as nothing less:



"This is a national crisis, and it is the job of the next President to work with our governors and mayors to address this crisis and save African-American lives.

Last year, we saw a 17% rise in violent crime in our fifty largest cities. Homicides are up nearly 50% in Washington, D.C. and more than 60% in Baltimore.

More than 3,000 have been shot in Chicago so far this year alone.

Nationwide, approximately 60% of murder victims under the age of 22 are African-American.

Every single American in this country is entitled to live in a safe community. The violence against our citizens, and our law enforcement, must be brought to an end.

The people who will suffer the most as a result of these riots, are law-abiding African-American residents who live in these communities. It is their jobs, housing markets, schools and economic conditions that will suffer – and the first duty of government is to protect their well-being and safety.

There is no compassion in tolerating lawless conduct. Crime and violence is an attack on the poor, and will never be accepted in a Trump Administration."
Trump: We Need A National Anti-Crime Effort Based On Rudy Giuliani's Success In New York




What possible response can Obama or his coterie of supporters raise???

Who gives a ****?

The election is over. Trump stepped in shit last night, then licked his own boot.