Trump is suing California over redistricting... even though he supported it in Texas

[Foxfyre]

US justice department sues California after redistricting

The new maps in California favour Democrats and cancel out gains made by Republicans after they redistricted in Texas.

www.bbc.com

"US justice department sues California over new voting maps favouring Democrats"

Trump trying his hardest to stand for one thing in one state, and against it in another state.

Does anyone know what he thinks? Or is this not thinking, just doing anything he can to win.

Trump knows the difference between redistricting that gives everybody a shot at winning an election and that that which engineers a specific outcome. Texas did the former. California did the latter.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Texas actually followed the laws governing redistricting, California doesn't want to.

DURRRRRR

Who makes the laws? The states make the laws.

Texas followed Texas law.

California followed Californian law.


DURRRRRR

Unless of course you can provide evidence for CA not following the law, and doing something illegal.

 

[struth]

There's nothing democratic about having districts. There's nothing democratic about letting the only two viable parties redraw districts.

Time for Proportional Representation so the people can take back control. (to a certain extent)

Of course theee is, a district is a group of people, those people vote to elect a representative to represent them in a legislature

We have proportional repressives, that’s why we have districts

Wow you are truly dumb, take a 8th grade civics class

 

[frigidweirdo]

Of course theee is, a district is a group of people, those people vote to elect a representative to represent them in a legislature

We have proportional repressives, that’s why we have districts

Wow you are truly dumb, take a 8th grade civics class

Oh ****. Someone who thinks FPTP is Proportional Representation.

And then you have the ******* gall to call me "truly dumb". What a ******* dickshit you are.

First-past-the-post voting - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"First-past-the-post voting"

"First-past-the-post (FPTP)—also called choose-one, first-preference plurality (FPP), or simply plurality—is a single-winner voting rule. Voters mark one candidate as their favorite, or first-preference, and the candidate with more first-preference votes than any other candidate (a plurality) is elected, even if they do not have more than half of votes (a majority)."

"Countries using FPP"

"

United States (both houses)"

Proportional representation - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"Proportional representation"

"Proportional representation (PR) is achieved by any electoral system under which subgroups of an electorate are reflected proportionately in the elected body. The concept applies mainly to political divisions (political parties) among voters."

"List of countries using proportional representation"

Not the USA.

PR means the way people vote, reflects the make up of the parliament.
FPTP means one person wins in a district and they win a seat in parliament. Each district then has one representative and the make up is there.

Just to prove it, Germany.

They vote both FPTP and PR at the same time.

In 2017 the CDU/CSU got 37.27% of the vote with FPTP and 77% of the seats, or 231 seats out of 299.

But with PR they got 246 seats out of 709 or 34.6% of the seats with 32.93% of the votes.

2017 German federal election - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The reason it wasn't exact is that Germany has a 5% cut off, meaning anyone who gets less than 5% with PR doesn't get any PR seats.

So suck on that you ignoramus.

 

[Samofvt]

Any gerrymandering is bullshit. But when the other side starts doing it, the other side has to as well.

Trump cheered on Texas, is suing California.

He shows time and time again that he's just not a president for the US, he's very much a cheat who will do anything to win, and he'll attack anyone to get what he wants. Rather than being presidential.

The Texas maps look like they follow existing political (county) boundaries. The California maps look like a contortionist drew them, with small filaments encompassing areas that have no connection with where they are grouped.

Here's Texas, BTW:

 

[frigidweirdo]

The Texas maps look like they follow existing political (county) boundaries. The California maps look like a contortionist drew them, with small filaments encompassing areas that have no connection with where they are grouped.

Here's Texas, BTW:


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That Texas probably didn't need to do much to get what they wanted, and CA needed to more.

Doesn't really matter, it's all bullshit and anti-democratic.

If you're trying to claim that your gerrymandering is better than their gerrymandering, it's like claiming one person's rape of someone was better than another person's.

 

[ThisIsMe]

US justice department sues California after redistricting

The new maps in California favour Democrats and cancel out gains made by Republicans after they redistricted in Texas.

www.bbc.com

"US justice department sues California over new voting maps favouring Democrats"

Trump trying his hardest to stand for one thing in one state, and against it in another state.

Does anyone know what he thinks? Or is this not thinking, just doing anything he can to win.

The problem is, california is already gerrymandered pretty badly, more so than Texas, even before all this started.

 

[frigidweirdo]

The problem is, california is already gerrymandered pretty badly, more so than Texas, even before all this started.

Yeah, and Proportional Representation would solve these problems. You can't gerrymander PR.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Yeah, and Proportional Representation would solve these problems. You can't gerrymander PR.

Change the cotus and you'll have it. Not much wealth can do about it otherwise.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Change the cotus and you'll have it. Not much wealth can do about it otherwise.

Well, the people can stand up for themselves and change the Constitution. Or they can get raped (electorally and political).

 

[Zincwarrior]

about a third of California's voters who indicate a party affiliation are Republican. 1/5 of California's Congressional delegation is Republican. This is ALREADY badly skewed against Republicans, and the new map is blatantly intended to make it worse.

But remember, Republicans are a threat to democracy.

Republicans are not. MAGAs are.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Well, the people can stand up for themselves and change the Constitution. Or they can get raped (electorally and political).

the people cant just change the constitution. Thats a whole process. Like I said, until we have a constitutional convention or congress chooses to amend the cotus, we have what we have..

 

[frigidweirdo]

the people cant just change the constitution. Thats a whole process. Like I said, until we have a constitutional convention or congress chooses to amend the cotus, we have what we have..

Well, what I'm think is like Brexit in the UK.

The people who pushed for Brexit the most were people who weren't MPs. (Congressmen or women). They had their campaign, it started back in the 1990s, they just kept attacking the EU, saying how bad it was, getting people on their side. Then they forced the hand of one of the political parties (the Tories) and then got a vote on it.

It can happen in the US, it's harder. The UK had a 50.0000001% wins. The US would need to be 3/4th of states. Which means you need to really get out there and make it happen, make sure both parties have decided they want this (just like Trump now wants to release the Epstein files).

Not easy, but possible.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Well, what I'm think is like Brexit in the UK.

The people who pushed for Brexit the most were people who weren't MPs. (Congressmen or women). They had their campaign, it started back in the 1990s, they just kept attacking the EU, saying how bad it was, getting people on their side. Then they forced the hand of one of the political parties (the Tories) and then got a vote on it.

It can happen in the US, it's harder. The UK had a 50.0000001% wins. The US would need to be 3/4th of states. Which means you need to really get out there and make it happen, make sure both parties have decided they want this (just like Trump now wants to release the Epstein files).

Not easy, but possible.

Sure, again, constitutional amendments would need to be passed. I don't believe our cotus has any provision for cessation of states

 

[leftwinger]

The US Supreme Court on Friday sided with Texas, overturning a lower court’s order that blocks congressional redistricting efforts by the state legislature.