trump has some curious views about this country's laws.

[Rigby5]

Like Garcia had, when he had a hearing in 2019.

But Congress has outlined the type of Due Process requirements for illegals....see the the Clinton Immigration reform bill for example, in some cases due process is simply getting reviewed by a lower level immigration agent.

The hearing Kimar had in 2019 ruled that he was protected against deportation.
That was because the law says it is illegal to deport someone who has US citizens for a wife and children.

A review by an agent is not "due process".
Due process always mean judicial review.

 

[Rigby5]

/----/ What due process was used when Dementia Joe flew them in is a perfectly legitimate question you refuse to answer.

Let me educate you:
To enter the U.S. legally, most foreign nationals need a visa, either a nonimmigrant visa for temporary stay or an immigrant visa for permanent residence. The process involves several steps, including determining eligibility, filing an application with the U.S. Department of State (.gov) or USCIS (.gov), and potentially attending an interview.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:
1. Determine Eligibility and Visa Type:

• Immigrant Visas:
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  These are for permanent residence (Green Card) and require a sponsor (family member or employer) to file a petition on your behalf.
  
  
• Nonimmigrant Visas:
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  These are for temporary stays (tourism, work, study, etc.) and require you to demonstrate that you will leave the U.S. after your visit.

2. File an Application:

• • Immigrant Visas:
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    The sponsor files a petition with USCIS (Form I-130 for family-based immigration, Form I-140 for employment-based immigration).
  • Nonimmigrant Visas:
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    You apply directly to the U.S. Department of State through the DS-160 form.

3. Receive Approval:

• • Immigrant Visas:
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    Once USCIS approves the petition, you can then apply for an immigrant visa at a U.S. embassy or consulate.
  • Nonimmigrant Visas:
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    The U.S. Department of State reviews your application and makes a decision.

4. Interview (If Required):

• • Both immigrant and nonimmigrant visa applicants may be required to attend an interview.

5. Enter the U.S.:

• • You must present yourself at a U.S. port of entry (airport, border crossing) with your valid visa and passport.
  • A U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) officer will review your documents and make a decision about whether to allow you to enter.

?

Wrong.
When the US has enacted illegal economic sanctions against another country, then all members of that country can legally come to the US and apply for asylum.
They do not need green cards, cross at a point of entry, have a visa ahead of time, etc.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The hearing Kimar had in 2019 ruled that he was protected against deportation.
That was because the law says it is illegal to deport someone who has US citizens for a wife and children.

A review by an agent is not "due process".
Due process always mean judicial review.

That's not correct

 

[Mac1958]

Is it surprising to see trump admit he is unfamiliar with the founding principles of justice in America?

Of course not. We've been told by many people who have worked closely with him that (a) he doesn't read, (b) he has the attention span of a child, and (c) they have to dumb down information that they try to give him, and it's best to provide graphics and pictures (literally).

We also know that he has no appreciation of, or respect for, either the office of the presidency or the Constitution. That's clear just by observing his juvenile, boorish behaviors.

There has been no better example of this than when a reporter asked asked him what the Declaration of Independence means to him, and he spat out something about "unity and love". He has no clue. None. Zero. And of course the flock doesn't care, because they're probably the same.

 

[luiza]

Exactly

Without due process , how do we know that those deported aren’t actually citizens?

Who cares, Leech ?
America invented the term , Collateral Damage .
Let's see more of it in action when the means fully justify the end .

Not something that Un -Americans like you and Bugger86 really understand.


And never forget the wise words of Albert Einstein .
Looking for perfection is a complete waste of time, effort and money.

 

[struth]

The hearing Kimar had in 2019 ruled that he was protected against deportation.
That was because the law says it is illegal to deport someone who has US citizens for a wife and children.

A review by an agent is not "due process".
Due process always mean judicial review.

No he was ruled deportable and no the law doesn’t say that

Why do you lie?

 

[Cellblock2429]

Wrong.
When the US has enacted illegal economic sanctions against another country, then all members of that country can legally come to the US and apply for asylum.
They do not need green cards, cross at a point of entry, have a visa ahead of time, etc.

/----/ "Wrong."
The USCIS is wrong? Who woulda thunk it.?

 

[berg80]

Of course not. We've been told by many people who have worked closely with him that (a) he doesn't read, (b) he has the attention span of a child, and (c) they have to dumb down information that they try to give him, and it's best to provide graphics and pictures (literally).

We also know that he has no appreciation of, or respect for, either the office of the presidency or the Constitution. That's clear just by observing his juvenile, boorish behaviors.

There has been no better example of this than when a reporter asked asked him what the Declaration of Independence means to him, and he spat out something about "unity and love". He has no clue. None. Zero. And of course the flock doesn't care, because they're probably the same.

I'm going to posit a simple reason for his disdain towards the rule of law having nothing to do with the way he eschews an intellectually curious approach to anything. That isn't related to his obvious ignorance of, and lack of interest in, America's founding.

Namely, he has sought to skirt the law his entire life. He sees it as an obstacle in the way of following his natural impulses. Which are to take advantage of situations that will benefit him in some way. Even if it means breaking the law.

He got his feet wet breaking anti-discrimination laws at his dad's rental property and lying about having bone spurs to avoid the draft. He went on to defraud investors in his casino company, cheated contractors, laundered money for Russian oligarchs, defrauded students at his phony real estate school, committed hundreds of acts of business fraud over decades while running the trump Org., stole money from a charity, committed adultery countless times (immoral, not illegal), paid for the silence of a porn actress to influence the outcome of a presidential election, extorted Zelensky, plotted to steal the 2020 election which he had lost, violated a subpoena to return stole classified docs, and broken too many laws during trump 2.0 than I can count. Illegal/immoral acts have been the consistent through line of his whole life.

 

[Mac1958]

I'm going to posit a simple reason for his disdain towards the rule of law having nothing to do with the way he eschews an intellectually curious approach to anything. That isn't related to his obvious ignorance of, and lack of interest in, America's founding.

Namely, he has sought to skirt the law his entire life. He sees it as an obstacle in the way of following his natural impulses. Which are to take advantage of situations that will benefit him in some way. Even if it means breaking the law.

He got his feet wet breaking anti-discrimination laws at his dad's rental property and lying about having bone spurs to avoid the draft. He went on to defraud investors in his casino company, cheated contractors, laundered money for Russian oligarchs, defrauded students at his phony real estate school, committed hundreds of acts of business fraud over decades while running the trump Org., stole money from a charity, committed adultery countless times (immoral, not illegal), paid for the silence of a porn actress to influence the outcome of a presidential election, extorted Zelensky, plotted to steal the 2020 election which he had lost, violated a subpoena to return stole classified docs, and broken too many laws during trump 2.0 than I can count. Illegal/immoral acts have been the consistent through line of his whole life.

Combine a draconian, hyper-demanding father, severe insecurity issues and infamous mob lawyer Roy Cohn as your personal mentor, and chances are you'll turn out to be a person with those very characteristics and behaviors. His life has been a con job, and now he's achieved perhaps the greatest con ever. By anyone.

And I'll guarantee you: He's still miserable and desperate for validation. That's what drives him 24/7/365.

 

[berg80]

Combine a draconian, hyper-demanding father, severe insecurity issues and infamous mob lawyer Roy Cohn as your personal mentor, and chances are you'll turn out to be a person with those very characteristics and behaviors. His life has been a con job, and now he's achieved perhaps the greatest con ever. By anyone.

And I'll guarantee you: He's still miserable and desperate for validation. That's what drives him 24/7/365.

It explains this to a tee.

 

[Cellblock2429]

I'm going to posit a simple reason for his disdain towards the rule of law having nothing to do with the way he eschews an intellectually curious approach to anything. That isn't related to his obvious ignorance of, and lack of interest in, America's founding.

Namely, he has sought to skirt the law his entire life. He sees it as an obstacle in the way of following his natural impulses. Which are to take advantage of situations that will benefit him in some way. Even if it means breaking the law.

He got his feet wet breaking anti-discrimination laws at his dad's rental property and lying about having bone spurs to avoid the draft. He went on to defraud investors in his casino company, cheated contractors, laundered money for Russian oligarchs, defrauded students at his phony real estate school, committed hundreds of acts of business fraud over decades while running the trump Org., stole money from a charity, committed adultery countless times (immoral, not illegal), paid for the silence of a porn actress to influence the outcome of a presidential election, extorted Zelensky, plotted to steal the 2020 election which he had lost, violated a subpoena to return stole classified docs, and broken too many laws during trump 2.0 than I can count. Illegal/immoral acts have been the consistent through line of his whole life.

/-----/ "He got his feet wet breaking anti-discrimination laws at his dad's rental property."
What a vapid strawman argument. You know nothing about NY and only repeat talking points with no basis of understanding. NYC was a segregated city when I moved here in 1972. Rich, White liberals didn't want to live in desegregated buildings. That's a fact. The Trump organization was only one of many landlords who were ordered to desegregate, along with the banks that red lined certain communities in NYC. When DJT bought Mar-a-Largo it was Whites Only. He sued the city to allow desegregation. You'd know this if you weren't a deranged Trump hater.

"and lying about having bone spurs to avoid the draft."
So, you know Trump's personal medical records? How do you know if he was lying? It's too easily checked. Do you think the army just took a draftee's word about medical issues without doing their own examination? Are you that dumb?
I had bone spurs. I had a walking territory in NYC in the 1980s. I was walking all day on the balls of my feet. I was told by my doctor to get special inserts for my shoes that relieved the pain until the spurs dissolved. It took over a year.

For you, it's always ORANGE MAN BAD.

 

[berg80]

/-----/ "He got his feet wet breaking anti-discrimination laws at his dad's rental property."
What a vapid strawman argument. You know nothing about NY and only repeat talking points with no basis of understanding. NYC was a segregated city when I moved here in 1972. Rich, White liberals didn't want to live in desegregated buildings. That's a fact. The Trump organization was only one of many landlords who were ordered to desegregate, along with the banks that red lined certain communities in NYC. When DJT bought Mar-a-Largo it was Whites Only. He sued the city to allow desegregation. You'd know this if you weren't a deranged Trump hater.

"and lying about having bone spurs to avoid the draft."
So, you know Trump's personal medical records? How do you know if he was lying? It's too easily checked. Do you think the army just took a draftee's word about medical issues without doing their own examination? Are you that dumb?
I had bone spurs. I had a walking territory in NYC in the 1980s. I was walking all day on the balls of my feet. I was told by my doctor to get special inserts for my shoes that relieved the pain until the spurs dissolved. It took over a year.

For you, it's always ORANGE MAN BAD.

I'm going to make a confession to you. The only reason I haven't put a worthless piece of shit like you on ignore is because I like using you as a punching bag for my own amusement.

In 1973, New York City school teacher Annette Gandy Fortt was looking for a decent place to live. A listing for an apartment in a building owned by Donald Trump's father, Fred, caught her eye —but she says the super told her there were no units available." I was black," Fortt said recently. "I was not wanted." It wasn't just a gut feeling. After Fortt was turned away from the Queens apartment building twice, the New York City Human Rights Commission sent a white person to the property to apply for an apartment — and the tester was offered the apartment, according to court papers.
The commission took on Fortt's case, and she says a young Donald Trump appeared with a lawyer at a hearing on behalf of the family real estate company, Trump Management. Her case also became part of a federal racial discrimination lawsuit filed by the Justice Department against Donald and Fred Trump that was resolved with a consent decree two years later in which they agreed to terms aimed at preventing discrimination.

https://www.congress.gov/118/meeting/house/117470/documents/HHRG-118-GO00-20240627-SD009.pdf

 

[Cellblock2429]

The hearing Kimar had in 2019 ruled that he was protected against deportation.
That was because the law says it is illegal to deport someone who has US citizens for a wife and children.

A review by an agent is not "due process".
Due process always mean judicial review.

/-----/ "A review by an agent is not "due process".
A review by an immigration agent, as part of the immigration process, generally constitutes due process. Due process in immigration proceedings ensures individuals have a fair hearing and opportunity to present their case before a government action (like deportation) can be taken against them.
Aliens who are inadmissible because they lack proper documents that would allow them to be admitted (section 212(a)(7)) or because they sought admission through fraud or misrepresentation (section 212(a)(6)(C)) are subject to “expedited removal”, under section 235(b)(1) of the INA.

Expedited removal allows immigration officers to bypass IJ removal proceedings and order such aliens removed. The only exception is where the alien subject to expedited removal claims a fear of harm if returned or requests asylum.

Under section 235, the aliens subject to expedited removal have no right to have any of those decisions reviewed in federal court, and in June 2020, the Supreme Court concluded that expedited removal without further review satisfied due process, even for aliens who had entered illegally.

Immigration ‘Due Process’ in a Nutshell

The constitutional rights citizens enjoy are broader than those accorded to aliens, and some aliens — green card holders in particular — are “due” more process than those here illegally, and many more than those stopped at the borders and ports.

cis.org

 

[SeaMajor7]

Poor Stalinberg still pinning for his CRIMINAL TERRORIST ILLEGAL ALIEN FRIEND.

 

[Cellblock2429]

I'm going to make a confession to you. The only reason I haven't put a worthless piece of shit like you on ignore is because I like using you as a punching bag for my own amusement.

In 1973, New York City school teacher Annette Gandy Fortt was looking for a decent place to live. A listing for an apartment in a building owned by Donald Trump's father, Fred, caught her eye —but she says the super told her there were no units available." I was black," Fortt said recently. "I was not wanted." It wasn't just a gut feeling. After Fortt was turned away from the Queens apartment building twice, the New York City Human Rights Commission sent a white person to the property to apply for an apartment — and the tester was offered the apartment, according to court papers.
The commission took on Fortt's case, and she says a young Donald Trump appeared with a lawyer at a hearing on behalf of the family real estate company, Trump Management. Her case also became part of a federal racial discrimination lawsuit filed by the Justice Department against Donald and Fred Trump that was resolved with a consent decree two years later in which they agreed to terms aimed at preventing discrimination.

https://www.congress.gov/118/meeting/house/117470/documents/HHRG-118-GO00-20240627-SD009.pdf

/----/ Thanks for proving my point. Do you think Trump Management was the only landlord that had segregated housing in NYC?

In the 1960s, New York City experienced a persistent pattern of housing segregation, despite some legal efforts to combat it. Black families faced discrimination in housing access, with landlords, real estate agents, and community associations often denying them apartments or homes based on their race. This discrimination was often coupled with practices like redlining, which prevented Black households from accessing mortgages and other financial resources necessary for homeownership. While the Fair Housing Act of 1968 outlawed such practices, the legacy of segregation continued to affect housing patterns and opportunities for decades.

Here's a more detailed look:

• De Facto Segregation:
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  Even after the Civil Rights Act of 1964 outlawed discrimination in employment and housing, segregation remained a reality in NYC, particularly in schools and housing.
  
  
• Redlining and its Impact:
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  Redlining, a practice where banks and financial institutions refused to provide mortgages or other financial services to certain neighborhoods based on racial demographics, directly contributed to segregation. This practice concentrated Black residents in specific areas, often with less investment and resources.
  
  
• Housing Discrimination:
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  Black families often faced direct discrimination from landlords and real estate agents who refused to rent or sell to them based on their race. This denial of housing opportunities further entrenched segregation.
  
  
• Stuyvesant Town:
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  The large-scale housing project, Stuyvesant Town, was initially and actively segregated, with MetLife, its owner, fiercely resisting integration efforts.
  
  
• Urban Redevelopment:
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  Urban renewal projects, led by figures like Robert Moses, were also used to displace residents and create new housing developments, often with the effect of further segregating the city.
  
  
• Fair Housing Act of 1968:
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  This landmark legislation outlawed racial discrimination in housing, but the long-standing effects of segregation and redlining continued to shape housing patterns and opportunity for many years.
  
  
• Continued Segregation:
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  Even after the Fair Housing Act, studies showed that housing segregation in NYC and its suburbs continued to re-emerge, with areas previously integrated becoming predominantly Black as they attracted Black homebuyers.

BTW, I never put anyone on ignore, even if they use childish insults towards me.

 

[berg80]

Thanks for proving my point. Do you think Trump Management was the only landlord that had segregated housing in NYC?

Your point is it was okay for trump to discriminate because others were too? Cult.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Your point is it was okay for trump to discriminate because others were too? Cult.

/----/ You're inferring what I'm not implying. Fred Trump ran the business. DJT was just a junior officer. If you wanted to operate high-end housing in NYC you had to segregate. That's what they all did.
When DJT went out on his own, he changed the policy.

I took time to make my case, and you ignored it because it doesn't fit your Orange Man Bad agenda. Once again:
De Facto Segregation:
Even after the Civil Rights Act of 1964 outlawed discrimination in employment and housing, segregation remained a reality in NYC, particularly in schools and housing.

Redlining and its Impact:
Redlining, a practice where banks and financial institutions refused to provide mortgages or other financial services to certain neighborhoods based on racial demographics, directly contributed to segregation. This practice concentrated Black residents in specific areas, often with less investment and resources.

 

[Lesh]

Who cares, Leech ?
America invented the term , Collateral Damage .
Let's see more of it in action when the means fully justify the end .

Not something that Un -Americans like you and Bugger86 really understand.


And never forget the wise words of Albert Einstein .
Looking for perfection is a complete waste of time, effort and money.

So if Trump “accidentally” deports American citizens… meh… shit happens ?

 

[Soupnazi630]

Wrong.
When the US has enacted illegal economic sanctions against another country, then all members of that country can legally come to the US and apply for asylum.
They do not need green cards, cross at a point of entry, have a visa ahead of time, etc.

Wrong

The Us has enacted no illegal sanctions.

Anyone must apply in accordanmce with rules and outside the country

 

[Soupnazi630]

Wrong.
None of the immigration statutes are or legally can be criminal.
They are merely regulatory infractions.

There was no authority to keep Elion Gonzalez in the US because the only remaining parent wanted him back with him in Cuba.

No administration ever deported anyone against their will, without a hearing.
The only time hearings are not necessary is when deportation is voluntary.

WRONG

They are statutes and criminal