what was in it for the USofA ???
and what is so bad about that?
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Trump has dealt Russia a devastating blow. Deal for Ukraine’s minerals could effectively end the war
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AntonToo
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WAPO paywall but here's the article in total.
"The minerals deal negotiated between the United States and Ukraine is a devastating development for Russia. Indeed, it is in some ways more important than any peace deal President Donald Trump might negotiate to end the fighting. Once implemented, it will mean that Russia has effectively lost the war.
Russian President Vladimir Putin wanted to conquer his neighbor. Instead, the United States has just gone into business with Ukraine — entering into, as the agreement puts it, “a durable partnership” with Kyiv to jointly develop Ukraine’s untapped minerals and other natural resources and pledging “a long-term financial commitment to the development of a stable and economically prosperous Ukraine.”
With this deal, the United States is now invested — literally, not figuratively — in what the deal calls “a free, sovereign and secure Ukraine.” That means the United States now has a massive financial incentive to help safeguard Ukraine’s independence. If Ukraine survives, the United States will stand to gain hundreds of billions of dollars; if Ukraine falls, we get nothing. After all, does anyone think that if Putin conquers Ukraine, he is going to repay the United States for the weapons we gave Ukraine to fight his troops? Of course not.
The deal creates “a Reconstruction Investment Fund” that will be jointly owned and managed by the two countries. Ukraine will contribute 50 percent of all revenue earned from the “future monetization” of all government-owned natural resource assets, including “minerals, hydrocarbons, oil, natural gas, and other extractable materials.” The fund will use this revenue to “invest in projects in Ukraine and attract investments to increase the development” of its natural resources, as well as “infrastructure, ports, and state-owned enterprises.”
Those who say Ukraine failed to win security guarantees in exchange for the minerals deal are missing the point: The minerals deal is a security guarantee. Trump has made clear that he is not going to send American troops to Ukraine. But with this deal, he is going to send something better: American workers, bulldozers and earthmovers.
“It’s a great deal for Ukraine, too, because they get us over there,” Trump explained during his Cabinet meeting Wednesday. “We’re going to be working over there. We’ll be on the land. And you know, that way it’s this sort of automatic security, because nobody’s going to be messing around with our people when we’re there.”
With the minerals deal done, Trump must now negotiate a peace deal that secures his investment by making sure the war ends — and never resumes. Ukraine’s minerals only have value to America if they are extracted from Ukrainian soil, processed and sold. If Ukraine does not have security, that won’t happen. U.S. businesses won’t be able to mine for minerals under fire from Russian forces and will not make long-term investment in Ukraine if they fear the fighting will resume. And if they don’t invest, American taxpayers won’t get paid.
Trump certainly knows that as soon as there is a peace agreement, China, Iran and North Korea will help Russia rearm — and that in time, Russia will reconstitute its forces and rebuild its defense-industrial base in preparation for a new offensive.
To stop that from happening, the United States needs to help Ukraine establish deterrence. And that will require allowing Ukraine to purchase the American weapons it needs to discourage Russia from ever restarting the conflict. The minerals deal creates a mechanism to repay the United States for the weapons we have given Ukraine over the past three years, but not for Ukraine to buy weapons in the future to defend our joint investments.
Jack Keane, a retired Army general, and I laid out a plan in these pages on transitioning Ukraine from an aid recipient to a defense consumer, and using frozen Russian assets and loans guaranteed by Ukraine’s natural resources to buy weapons. This will be critical if we want to ensure that the war never starts up again, and Ukraine’s resources can be developed for the benefit of both countries. This does not require a new agreement or action by Congress; the mechanisms for such sales exist under existing law.
But this deal is a critical step forward. Russia wanted to diminish Ukraine economically, politically and militarily. With this deal, Trump has enhanced Ukraine economically and politically. Now, to secure our new investments, the United States must enhance Ukraine militarily as well."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2025/02/27/minerals-deal-ukraine-russia/
Having a bunch of American companies over there rebuilding and doing business means Russia is less likely to make another attempt out of fear of drawing in NATO, but at the same time, there's no US troops on his doorstep (or, at least not in Ukraine), most likely in Poland.
Meanwhile, I'm sure Ukraine will be spending plenty of the money they get from trading with the US to buy American made military equipment to rebuild their military once the Uke midget is gone.
My fear is since Trump is not gonna be around forever and if the dems ever get in total power again we will see the same type of grift we did before, or worse, they will give the farm away to the Ukes.
I'm sure the MSM will complain that the price of eggs is still high.
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Let me make it simple for the rightwing dupes what the deal is about.
First and foremost the deal is about Trump signing a deal and going on to talk about what a great deal maker he is. Ukraine told him to take his last deal and shove it you know where, but now he gets to sign something. Yes, it is that primitive.
It changes nothing as far as actually ending the war and overall we would be a lot closer to it's conclusion if Trump simply stood by Ukraine.
Instead we got the usual Trump's performative circus, which included calling Ukranian president a dictator (then saying he can't belive he said that) and American government that can no longer tell who invaded Ukraine.
US refuses to blame Russia for Ukraine war, splitting with European allies in UN votes
In a dramatic shift in transatlantic relations under President Donald Trump, the United States has split with its European allies by refusing to blame Russia for its invasion of Ukraine in votes on three U.N. resolutions seeking an end to the three-year war.
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I believe Ukraine and Russia want an out. Each needing to save face. China released COVID and you Progs called it racism against the Chinese.Let me make it simple for the rightwing dupes what the deal is about.
First and foremost the deal is about Trump signing a deal and going on to talk about what a great deal maker he is. Ukraine told him to take his last deal and shove it you know where, but now he gets to sign something. Yes, it is that primitive.
It changes nothing as far as actually ending the war and overall we would be a lot closer to it's conclusion if Trump simply stood by Ukraine.
Instead we got the Trump's usual performative circus which included calling Ukranian president a dictator (then saying he can't belive he said that) and American government that can no longer tell who invaded Ukraine.
US refuses to blame Russia for Ukraine war, splitting with European allies in UN votes
In a dramatic shift in transatlantic relations under President Donald Trump, the United States has split with its European allies by refusing to blame Russia for its invasion of Ukraine in votes on three U.N. resolutions seeking an end to the three-year war.
AntonToo
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I don't think you have the slightest clue why Russia invades all the places it does.
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Trump said the US had given Ukraine $350bn. "We want to get that money back," he said. "We're helping the country through a very very big problem... but the American taxpayer now is going to get their money back plus." With the minerals deal with Zelensky, Trump will get the money back, while Ukraine can fight on without getting further military aid from the US.
Without US military aid, Ukraine has enough weapons to continue fighting at the current pace until the summer. After that, Kyiv could find itself out of ammunition and unable to use some of its most advanced weapons, The Wall Street Journal reports.
The Ukrainian president had rejected an initial request from the US for $500bn (£395bn) in mineral wealth, but media reports say this demand has now been dropped.
On Tuesday, Trump said the US had given Ukraine between $300bn (£237bn) and $350bn (£276bn) in aid, and that he wanted to "get that money back" through a deal.
Zelensky has been pushing for a deal to include a firm security guarantee from the US. But on Wednesday, Ukraine's leader said no such guarantee had been made.
Ukraine minerals deal: What we know so far
The deal sets up an investment fund to search for minerals, and set outs how revenues would be split.
www.bbc.com
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What's in it for us?
Security because we won't have to fight Russia if it invades a NATO country. This is where Trump ***** up, because there is no profit motive in governance. You don't provide aid then talk about how we need to make the money back. That's stupid, and if other countries used that with us, we'd owe rent on several continents and trillions of dollars to repay for what we have destroyed.
AntonToo
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Those are silly lies.
There are no requirements for any payback in the final deal.
There was also no $350 billion given, it was about one third of that, but that ridiculous lie is beside the point.
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Will those American companies be protected by the American military or private American contractors?
Do you think Putin is afraid of killing Americans who he believes are threatening his western border?
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You talk to Putin and know why he does what he does? ******* commie
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Trump’s ‘Big Deal’ For Ukraine Minerals? It Might Not Pay Off Soon—If Ever—Experts Say
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www.forbes.com
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Experts Think Trump’s ‘Big’ Ukraine Minerals Deal Won’t Pay Off Anytime Soon
Several experts told Forbes there’s limited economic feasibility in tapping into Ukraine’s mineral resources, and any related U.S. benefits from Ukraine’s lithium and rare earth deposits are years away.
www.forbes.com
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The one thing I don't know is, does Trump know a lot of the most mineable stuff is in the Donbas....
When he finds this out, is he taking the Donbas?
If he does... Zelensky has a great deal...
Trump gets his shiny thing and he can sell that back to MAGA...
Any future administration will rip that deal up and sign a proper one...
Trump doesn't seem to know that there is $300 Russian frozen assets to pay for the war.
Zelensky gets this and US provide an Airforce and weapons, this war will be over before end of the year.
Even Europe will pay more in contributions if Ukraine gets their land back and more importantly Putin gets severely punished...
For Gods Sake don't tell him that... Keep saying that the main mineral resources are in the Donbass and you need Crimea to get out of there...
That deal is the shiny thing...
He will wave it around to the MAGA and they will cheer...
Finally, Europe is figuring how to deal with him.. IT is not easy and there will be crow eaten, but play to his vanity...
No worries... Give Trump his win, he just wants something to sell back to the MAGA.
Call him the best boy if he can get those minerals in the Donbas and be able ship it out through the Crimea...
I am serious, Biden couldn't get that deal..
Perhaps if one subscribes to the underlying economics as the true motives of the conflict (in fairness any) one realizes it's true goals Ted
Russia is not going to simply 'pull out' of Ukraine ,as the UN wishes
the USofA is not going to continue support for free
The EU are no more than loud chickenhawks
NATO won't pay it's way
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And, do what? Fund the WWI style stalemate for years? How many Ukrainians are you willing to see killed?
Putin is basically paranoid about his own people rising up and killing him. Arab Spring style....
HE kind of isn't threatened by Western bombs or tanks..
He is very threatened by EU prosperity.. Poland had half the GDP per Captia when it joined EU, before the war started, they had double Russia. Eventually the Russians are going to ask why they are poor and the Eastern Countries they used to run/own are now all much richer and have no resources...
Putin is very scared of EU... Far more than NATO... NATO allows him to keep power, i.e. the big imperialists are trying to threaten uu, Mantra.....
EU just exposing him
iamwhatiseem
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Forbes hates Trump with a burning passion. HATES.Trump’s ‘Big Deal’ For Ukraine Minerals? It Might Not Pay Off Soon—If Ever—Experts Say
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Experts Think Trump’s ‘Big’ Ukraine Minerals Deal Won’t Pay Off Anytime Soon
Several experts told Forbes there’s limited economic feasibility in tapping into Ukraine’s mineral resources, and any related U.S. benefits from Ukraine’s lithium and rare earth deposits are years away.
So any article they produce is always, always going to say anything Trump does isn't going to work.
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