Trump got all of NATO from 2% GDP to 5% spent on defense…the media is largely ignoring this

[RhodyPatriot]

Disagree. You can be hard-a$$ and be aggressive and push for results without making it all-about-you; with more grace.

Going forward you are correct, I think this will be a requirement.

JD Vance comes to mind.

But regarding the past decade we just witnessed, we needed a true shock to the system like Trump for enough people to get the idea "this guy's for real".

And once his policies are successful, people like JD will be sufficient because we'll have the receipts.

And we got a deep bench.

Aside from Trump, MAGA is pretty much younger folks in their 30s, 40s and 50s.

The Democrats are mostly 70s and 80s.

A massive sea change is coming, and without Trump's over the top antics it probably wouldn't have been possible to jolt enough people out of their nihilistic slumber.

Just my take.

So... someone with the communications skills of a Reagan and the policies of a Trump would not be successful?

Reagan was perfect for his era.

These days he'd be considered a fuddy duddy.

Sorry, just being honest.

Tolerate? Yes. Hope for successes? Yes. Love? No. He's not a loveable character. That you think so is quite unfortunate.

Why?

He IS a loveable character.

He only punches laterally.

He doesn't call half the country "deplorables" or "fascists" or "nazis".

Every time he swings, it's at a corrupt political stooge.

The people and MAGA (the voting majority) get this.

If you're being uncouth to monsters and villains, you're doing something right.

And the phenomenon that is Donald Trump's legendary ascent in our political arena proves this.

He is giving you what you want. Should he ever stop doing so your so-called "love" would evaporate in a heartbeat.

Well yeah.

Because I'm not in a cult.

That's why when the Dems started changing their policies and wanting to give away everything to illegals and to defund the police - I left the party.

Just like a lot of folks.

The new Pew poll out TODAY which was an incredibly accurate assessment found that Trump did not win because Dems stayed home.

He won because they switched parties.

By six points.

Which is incredibly rare.

Like a Haley's comet anamoly.

Not witnessed since....well, Reagan.

Trump didn’t win because he got disaffected Democrats and independents to vote for him; he won because he got those people to switch parties entirely.

Eye-popping analysis of Trump’s win shows Democrats are in serious trouble

Democrats are right to be worried about the party’s shift to the left that Zohran Mamdani’s surprise victory in New York City’s mayoral primary implies.

nypost.com

 

[Kondor3]

Going forward you are correct, I think this will be a requirement.

JD Vance comes to mind.

Yeah... that seems to ring true.

But regarding the past decade we just witnessed, we needed a true shock to the system like Trump for enough people to get the idea "this guy's for real".

Well... perhaps... the only 'saving grace' there in my tiny little mind is that Army and Marine Corps Drill Sergeants give it to you rough and dirty in order to smack some sense and teamwork into you... I'm not sure that's the case here, but my mind is open.

And once his policies are successful, people like JD will be sufficient because we'll have the receipts.

Perhaps... so far, so good, on your end... fingers cross (for the Republic's sake)... the next 3-1/2 years are gonna be interesting.

And we got a deep bench.

Quite true... Dems are scrambling for warm bodies to fill their bench and what they're serving-up so far isn't promising.

On their end... their biggest problem isn't the shallow bench... it's an inability to make broad policy course-corrections.

Aside from Trump, MAGA is pretty much younger folks in their 30s, 40s and 50s.

Yeah... that does seem to be the case... people are tired of the same old worn-out bull$hit...

The Democrats are mostly 70s and 80s.

A massive sea change is coming, and without Trump's over the top antics it probably wouldn't have been possible to jolt enough people out of their nihilistic slumber.

Just my take.

Well... it's a valid "take"... you may very well be right about that... at least that explains (to me) some of the unqualified support amongst "thinking" Pubs (I don't include the Right Wing Lemmings here [as opposed to Left Wing Lemmings])... yeah... I get it.

Reagan was perfect for his era. These days he'd be considered a fuddy duddy. Sorry, just being honest. Why? He IS a loveable character. He only punches laterally.

Interesting... you may very well be right...

He doesn't call half the country "deplorables" or "fascists" or "nazis".

Yeah... things have, indeed, gotten out-of-hand on the Left... one of the reasons why I'm sliding into the Independent column...

Every time he swings, it's at a corrupt political stooge.

The people and MAGA (the voting majority) get this.

If you're being uncouth to monsters and villains, you're doing something right.

Yes and No. I appreciate the 'corrupt political stooge' reference and readily acknowledge the truth in that observation.

Unfortunately, the boorishness is far more broad and runs much deeper than that.. it's omnipresent, unfortunately.

And the phenomenon that is Donald Trump's legendary ascent in our political arena proves this.

When things get out-of-hand and both parties keep serving-up More-of-the-Same, something has to break the log-jam.

Personally, I enjoy seeing him kick-a$$ on a number of issues, but a lot of his public persona is cringe-worthy and troubling.

Well yeah. Because I'm not in a cult. That's why when the Dems started changing their policies and wanting to give away everything to illegals and to defund the police - I left the party. Just like a lot of folks. The new Pew poll out TODAY which was an incredibly accurate assessment found that Trump did not win because Dems stayed home. He won because they switched parties. By six points. Which is incredibly rare. Like a Haley's comet anamoly. Not witnessed since....well, Reagan.

Yes. The Dems have (visibly) become the party of the "over-educated" elites rather than the Common Man. An interesting and quite unexpected outcome but, with the benefit of hindsight, predictable... almost inevitable. And quite tragic. What's the alternative?

And Trump stepped into that vacuum.

 

[RhodyPatriot]

Yes. The Dems have (visibly) become the party of the "over-educated" elites rather than the Common Man. An interesting and quite unexpected outcome but, with the benefit of hindsight, predictable... almost inevitable. And quite tragic. What's the alternative?

And Trump stepped into that vacuum.

Trump stepped into the vacuum as far as general disillusionment with politics was concerned.

But the party switching didn't accelerate until the latter end of the first decade of what will forever be known as the Trump era.

In other words, he was the cause, not just an opportunistic interloper.

Wow.

Kudos, though.

It's nice to have an actual dialogue and debate around here for a change instead of the usual boring "SHUT UP MAGAT"! BS haha.

Or boring conventional takes straight from CNN's home page masquerading as independent thought.

 

[Dr. Phosphorous]

View attachment 1129996 "why, yes, I have ..

You're not smart enough to "trigger" me, gomer. I was simply correcting your imbecile MAGA ass.

 

[ColonelAngus]

"Committing to pay" as opposed to "actually paying" are two different things. Then over what timeframe and will all/any achieve that? I doubt it.

Agreed

 

[Clipper]

NATO leaders agree to hike military spending and restate 'ironclad commitment' to collective defense

NATO leaders have agreed on a massive hike in defense spending after pressure from U.S. President Donald Trump and expressed their “ironclad commitment” to come to each other’s aid if attacked.

apnews.com

This is largely ignored for the FORDOW centrifuge story.

It shows a clear media bias against this White House,

Wins will be reported in passing….and perceived loss or just not a win will be OBSESSED OVER.

THE NATO SPENDING HIKE IS NEWS!

IT IS A HUGE WIN!

Maybe if you paid attention to actual news sources other than to the bullshit artists on Fox you'd know that this was reported by numerous media outlets over the past couple of days, Anus.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Its a huge con.Isnt going to happen.

Eur On Eur Own

The WW2 doormats will only spend enough if America pulls out of this entangling alliance.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

I guess some of the top anchors might because the Democrat politicians know how influential anchors are and that could coyly damage the politician who doesn't do what they (anchors) like. In any event, it is a behind-the-scenes game where they are all buddy buddies and anchors know that if they don't please the Democrats, they won't be getting those calls on their throw-away phones with inside tips, including on stocks.

Whoever Controls Language Controls Thought

Most Americans, no matter what fake side they think they're on, blindly parrot the media's grubby grammar. But an independent mind would despise the reality-challenged media first, and that would make him question their word usage. He'd soon find out how ignorant, unstructured, dysfunctional, sneaky, and made-up it is.

Parroting the talking heads' way of speaking proves how much they have Americans under their spell. So the politicians have to please those with such proven power.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Trump is uncouth.

.


if you're perceived as uncouth and boorish... kudos will be few and far between...

The Truth Is Uncouth

Slick, smooth, and well-rehearsed presentations are intentionally misleading, hiding what is underneath: putting lipstick on a pig. Most of what we hear from politician leads listeners to care less about what is said and more about how it is said.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

yeah .. same land mass would have been the correct description ..

Stomped from the Steppes

A prehistoric invasion from Mongolia scattered Caucasians all over that land mass. In a similar wake-up call, the Khan invasions in the Middle Ages made Russia what it is.

 

[rightwinger]

If NATO is paying so much more…
Why isn’t the US paying less?

 

[eagle1462010]

In Poland's defense (pardon the pun), they always did. Unlike the Nazis they beat the USSR in a war.
I would suggest the Baltic states should form one unitary military so as not to get picked off by the Russians.

5% is difficult though for capitalist/Democratic countries. We are not at 5%.
EDIT: It will be interesting to see the drone revolution in a decade and what has happened. There are strong arguments that the era of $100MM fighters is over.

Poland has the largest army of NATO in Europe

 

[eagle1462010]

It is worthy of note, though, that Trump had help, in convincing Europe. He could not have done it, without the ruthless attacks of Putin. Vlad delivered the wake-up call, that Russia was still in the empire building by military dominance and take-over game, by invasion of Ukraine and threatening others. NATO then knew, it could be and would be them next, and that the US was no longer the sole guarantor of their freedom.

Trump as much as told them, we would not bail them out (whether we would or not). With a direct example of how Russia was doing business (philosophically same as the old Soviet, Vlad wished to recreate), they had no choice but to fork up money for their own defense or lose to Russia, one nation at a time.

Good. Glad they understand the situation

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

You're not smart enough to "trigger" me, gomer. I was simply correcting your imbecile MAGA ass.

Playground Insults

The only thing about your schooling that stuck with you was recess.

 

[Kilroy2]

Isolation worked fine for the first 150 years of US history. I will take Washington's judgement over yours even today.

Yeah and WW1 and WW2 stand as example of there is a better way than ignoring it. WW1 was ignored and in WW2 it was ignored as it was deemed not our problem until we got bombed.
Resulted in the killing American soilders and civilians

Forcing the US to nuke civilians and military.

 

[eagle1462010]

Yeah and WW1 and WW2 stand as example of there is a better way than ignoring it. WW1 was ignored and in WW2 it was ignored as it was deemed not our problem until we got bombed.
Resulted in the killing American soilders and civilians

Forcing the US to nuke civilians and military.

Perhaps Europe should stop starting World Wars

 

[Kilroy2]

Perhaps Europe should stop starting World Wars

History says Japan attacked Pear Harbor and the US had to get involved because we were actually attacked

 

[eagle1462010]

History says Japan attacked Pear Harbor and the US had to get involved because we were actually attacked

Correct. Then Germany declared War

 

[Kilroy2]

History says Japan attacked Pear Harbor and the US had to get involved because we were actually attacked

In WW2 , Germany was sinking any ship it saw

 

[Meathead]

Yeah and WW1 and WW2 stand as example of there is a better way than ignoring it. WW1 was ignored and in WW2 it was ignored as it was deemed not our problem until we got bombed.
Resulted in the killing American soilders and civilians

Forcing the US to nuke civilians and military.

WTF are you talking about? When were American civilians endangered? It's the same logic Trump used bombing Iran, GWB used in Iraq, LBJ in Vietnam and so on and so on and scoobie doobie doobie.

These things happen when you abandon isolation and decide to become the global policeman.