Trump got all of NATO from 2% GDP to 5% spent on defense…the media is largely ignoring this

[cnm]

They'll come crawling when they need us or want us, don't worry. And if there's ever a time that we need them you can rest assured that they already needed us first.

What a load of MAGAtshit.

The US is the only NATO member to have invoked Article 5, after which NATO members fought and died for it in Afghanistan.

For which those suckers have received the gratitude they deserved. Did they really think the USA would give a shit or pause for a moment in its self victimisation?

 

[IM2]

Strongly disagree.

First of all, the Ukraine was always not only Russian, but Kyiv used to be the capital of Russia.
It only moved to Moscow to escape the Mongol invasion.

Second is that the Ukraine was only taken from Russia by the illegal Treaty of Versailles that wanted to harm the Bolshevik Revolution.

Third is that the US bribed the 2014 Maidan Coup in the Ukraine, with billions delivered by Hunter Biden, and caused over 30k ethnic Russian Ukrainians to be murdered by the fascist Azov Battalion.

Forth is that the Ukraine deliberately started the war with treaty violations, such as trying to block Russian use of Sevastopol, trying to join the EU, trying to put NATO nukes on Russia's border, etc.

Again, Russia has never invaded anyone. The closest would be their attack on Finland.

Some of this is incorrect. Hunter Biden didn't deliver anything and that story about ethnic Russians is basically untrue. Ukraine did not start anything and Russia invaded Crimea.

 

[Jake Winker Frogen]

It is good but is happening for more reasons than MAGA thinks, Trumps irrational stance on Ukraine, rhetorically attacking and blaming the country for its own invasion and demented Greenland delusions has NATO thinking the US is no longer a reliable actor and so yes, they have to boost their defense budgets to glean more independence from US policy.

 

[yidnar]

NYETO

Only the Globalists benefit from this renewal of the Cold War against Russia and China. This unnecessary conflict leaves America less willing and able to destroy the jihad, which is a branch of Globalism seeking world domination and Progressing steadily toward that end. We can't survive civilized nations squabbling while ignoring the New World, One World, Third World Order.

I believe NATO is actually a deterrent for countries like China and Russia .. after all they are on the same continent .. when it comes to the UN however that's were the new one world order movement is the most prominent .

 

[Kilroy2]

Much easier and more effective is US withdrawal from NATO. Let them take care of it.

Yet what has history taught from WW1 and WW2

Isolationism never worked why repeat it

US has a big stick so the threat is there

even if other nations cannot keep up money wise, they still can contribute.

Even Russia has a few nations under its unbrella. It is not like Russia needs them but the more the merrier.

 

[yidnar]

WRONG

Nato is a strictly defensive organization desgined to defend against communist aggression

which extends into modern russian aggression

And China aggression.,. everyone needs to remember China shares part of their boarder with Russia !

 

[22lcidw]

Yet what has history taught from WW1 and WW2

Isolationism never worked why repeat it

US has a big stick so the threat is there

even if other nations cannot keep up money wise, they still can contribute.

Even Russia has a few nations under its unbrella. It is not like Russia needs them but the more the merrier.

Europe is rich. We have limits on resources as the costs to produce anything for the military is expensive with hardware that are lemons in a percentage of finished products and unfortunately there is corruption and incompetence involved also.

 

[Meathead]

Yet what has history taught from WW1 and WW2

Isolationism never worked why repeat it

US has a big stick so the threat is there

even if other nations cannot keep up money wise, they still can contribute.

Even Russia has a few nations under its unbrella. It is not like Russia needs them but the more the merrier.

Isolation worked fine for the first 150 years of US history. I will take Washington's judgement over yours even today.

 

[RhodyPatriot]

The two that will pay the most attention to this move are China and Russia. And that's exactly what Trump intended. Daddy knows best.

Russia and China also took notice when Trump followed through on obliterating Iran's nuke project into another dimension.

 

[RhodyPatriot]

It is very cool though. I still don't like what he is doing to this country

Yeah, secure borders, lower crime, lower inflation, a record stock market, corporate investment returned from overseas....I could go on...

And it's only been five months.

What a ******* nightmare!

 

[Kilroy2]

Isolation worked fine for the first 150 years of US history. I will take Washington's judgement over yours even today.

First colony was over 400 years ago so that leaves 250 years which is about the time they ratified the constitution. Isolation never worked as WW1 and WW2 is the flaw in your argument.

 

[Meathead]

First colony was over 400 years ago so that leaves 250 years.

Never were the sharpest tack, were you?

 

[RhodyPatriot]

First colony was over 400 years ago so that leaves 250 years.

Yep.

Besides, Trump's clearly not an isolationist anyway.

The last week has proved that undeniably.

There's a helluva lot of real estate between "WARMONGER!" and "ISOLATIONIST!"

But, as with all things, much of the the media lacks any nuance or insight when assessing the Trump foreign policy doctrine.

 

[Kondor3]

NATO leaders agree to hike military spending and restate 'ironclad commitment' to collective defense

NATO leaders have agreed on a massive hike in defense spending after pressure from U.S. President Donald Trump and expressed their “ironclad commitment” to come to each other’s aid if attacked.

apnews.com

This is largely ignored for the FORDOW centrifuge story.

It shows a clear media bias against this White House,

Wins will be reported in passing….and perceived loss or just not a win will be OBSESSED OVER.

THE NATO SPENDING HIKE IS NEWS!

IT IS A HUGE WIN!

Trump is uncouth.

Or, at least, acts and is perceived in such a manner, much of the time.

It's rather like having an old uncle who knows-his-stuff but who is also something of an embarrassment to the family.

So... even though the old uncle gets "wins" much of the family only offers-up a grudging and lightweight acknowledgement.

If the old uncle acted more "Presidential" and was better-gifted with respect to calm, lucid, non-rambling communication...

He... and his accomplishments... might be better-received and more broadly and profusely acknowledged...

The guy darts off on all kinds of tangents and rambles on-and-on and its oftentimes all-about-him...

Texas-size egos and selfishness and transactional loyalties simply don't sit well with a lot of folks...

I did not vote for him but I do, indeed, like much of what I've been seeing in recent months, however...

Even if you're getting good results... if you're perceived as uncouth and boorish... kudos will be few and far between...

Or so it seems to this observer...

 

[RhodyPatriot]

Trump is uncouth.

Or, at least, acts and is perceived in such a manner, much of the time.

It's rather like having an old uncle who knows-his-stuff but who is also something of an embarrassment to the family.

So... even though the old uncle gets "wins" much of the family only offers-up a grudging and lightweight acknowledgement.

If the old uncle acted more "Presidential" and was better-gifted with respect to calm, lucid, non-rambling communication...

He... and his accomplishments... might be better-received and more broadly and profusely acknowledged...

The guy darts off on all kinds of tangents and rambles on-and-on and its oftentimes all-about-him...

That simply doesn't sit well with a lot of folks...

So... even if you're getting good results... if you're perceived as uncouth and boorish... kudos will be few and far between...

Or so it seems to this observer...

According to all the most accurate polls over 50% of the country is with Trump.

So, there's that.

 

[Kondor3]

According to all the most accurate polls over 50% of the country is with Trump.

So, there's that.

Yes... indeed... there's that... but that does not change the fact that Uncle Don is perceived that way by much of the population.

One can be "right" and "successful" and "get results" but still not be celebrated by vast numbers of our countymen.

If the guy could actually curb public displays of egocentrism and ramble less he's do much better with them, too.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

In Poland's defense (pardon the pun), they always did. Unlike the Nazis they beat the USSR in a war.
I would suggest the Baltic states should form one unitary military so as not to get picked off by the Russians.

5% is difficult though for capitalist/Democratic countries. We are not at 5%.
EDIT: It will be interesting to see the drone revolution in a decade and what has happened. There are strong arguments that the era of $100MM fighters is over.

WTF do you think NATO is for?

Tell that to Iran. How many of their slow ass drones ever made it to Israel? Most were shot down by fighters.

 

[RhodyPatriot]

Yes... indeed... there's that... but that does not change the fact that Uncle Don is perceived that way by much of the population.

One can be "right" and "successful" and "get results" but still not be celebrated by vast numbers of our countymen.

If the guy could actually curb public displays of egocentrism and ramble less he's do much better with them, too.

If the guy did anything different he wouldn't be the first Republican to win the popular vote in 20 years, topple the Deep State, and fracture the corporate media.

If he did anything differently, he wouldn't have the massive base of support he has won.

We love him the way he is.

And if we take a stroll down the memory lane of your past posts, no doubt we'll find constant doom and gloom and second guessing - not to mention predictions of an electoral defeat.

Just a hunch.

 

[Dr. Phosphorous]

NATO leaders agree to hike military spending and restate 'ironclad commitment' to collective defense

NATO leaders have agreed on a massive hike in defense spending after pressure from U.S. President Donald Trump and expressed their “ironclad commitment” to come to each other’s aid if attacked.

apnews.com

This is largely ignored for the FORDOW centrifuge story.

It shows a clear media bias against this White House,

Wins will be reported in passing….and perceived loss or just not a win will be OBSESSED OVER.

THE NATO SPENDING HIKE IS NEWS!

IT IS A HUGE WIN!

They're increasing their spending because they know Trump is not going to protect Ukraine.

And they also see the U.S. as a potential threat....because Trump is ******* crazy.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I believe NATO is actually a deterrent for countries like China and Russia .. after all they are on the same continent .. when it comes to the UN however that's were the new one world order movement is the most prominent .

NATO, China and Russia are not on the same continent, unless you are counting Eurasia as being the one continent.