Trump funnels record subsidies to farmers

[EvilEyeFleegle]

I'm sure that the upcoming election has no bearing on this...right?

Trump Funnels Record Subsidies to Farmers Ahead of Election Day

For the American farmers President Trump counts on for support, the government money is flowing faster than ever.
Federal payments to farmers are projected to hit a record $46 billion this year as the White House funnels money to Mr. Trump’s rural base in the South and Midwest ahead of Election Day.
The gush of funds has accelerated in recent weeks as the president looks to help his core supporters who have been hit hard by the double whammy of his combative trade practices and the coronavirus pandemic. According to the American Farm Bureau, debt in the farm sector is projected to increase by 4 percent to a record $434 billion this year and farm bankruptcies have continued to rise across the country.
Farmers are not the only constituency benefiting from the president’s largess: He has promised $200 prescription drug cards to millions of seniors, approved $13 billion in aid to Puerto Rico, which could help his prospects in Florida, and he directed his Agriculture Department include letters signed by him in millions of food aid boxes that are being distributed to the poor.

“There are both economic and political motivations for these payments,” said Patrick Westhoff, who directs University of Missouri’s agriculture research center.
Last week, the Office of Special Counsel determined that Mr. Trump’s Agriculture secretary, Sonny Perdue, had improperly used his position to push the president’s re-election by promising more help for farmers. At an August event in North Carolina, Mr. Perdue violated ethics laws when he promoted Mr. Trump’s re-election during remarks about the Farmers to Families Food Box Program, saying: “That’s what’s going to continue to happen — four more years — if America gets out and votes for this man, Donald J. Trump.”

Psst we are in a trade war

Psst..we're losing..bigly! Thus all the subsidies--to make our defeat..palatable.

 

[Redcurtain]

I'm sure that the upcoming election has no bearing on this...right?

Trump Funnels Record Subsidies to Farmers Ahead of Election Day

For the American farmers President Trump counts on for support, the government money is flowing faster than ever.
Federal payments to farmers are projected to hit a record $46 billion this year as the White House funnels money to Mr. Trump’s rural base in the South and Midwest ahead of Election Day.
The gush of funds has accelerated in recent weeks as the president looks to help his core supporters who have been hit hard by the double whammy of his combative trade practices and the coronavirus pandemic. According to the American Farm Bureau, debt in the farm sector is projected to increase by 4 percent to a record $434 billion this year and farm bankruptcies have continued to rise across the country.
Farmers are not the only constituency benefiting from the president’s largess: He has promised $200 prescription drug cards to millions of seniors, approved $13 billion in aid to Puerto Rico, which could help his prospects in Florida, and he directed his Agriculture Department include letters signed by him in millions of food aid boxes that are being distributed to the poor.

“There are both economic and political motivations for these payments,” said Patrick Westhoff, who directs University of Missouri’s agriculture research center.
Last week, the Office of Special Counsel determined that Mr. Trump’s Agriculture secretary, Sonny Perdue, had improperly used his position to push the president’s re-election by promising more help for farmers. At an August event in North Carolina, Mr. Perdue violated ethics laws when he promoted Mr. Trump’s re-election during remarks about the Farmers to Families Food Box Program, saying: “That’s what’s going to continue to happen — four more years — if America gets out and votes for this man, Donald J. Trump.”

Psst we are in a trade war

Psst..we're losing..bigly! Thus all the subsidies--to make our defeat..palatable.

Move out if you stand with our enemies

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Well, they should be subsidized this year at least. Many had to turn their crops under due to unnecessary shutdowns by liberal mayors and governor's.

That's a convenient excuse, but Trump has been playing the subsidy game all along - well before covid came around.

Both parties have been doing it for decades.

 

[EvilEyeFleegle]

Since when did farm subsidies become a bad thing?

Well...when it's a subsidy to big tobacco.....in North Carolina..to offset the damage done by China's refusing to buy their product..yeah..I see it as a bad thing.

kaz !!!...We got another one!!

And yet..you're too stupid to respond in a cogent fashion....faux libertarian waiting for the ax to fall..for his little moment of glory..too funny! Look at you lick the statist hand while crowing about your ideological purity!

The Hell with agrobusiness...a group that philosophically you should be against..but your ideals are..as all who read you regularly know..quite flexible..aren't they?

 

[EvilEyeFleegle]

I'm sure that the upcoming election has no bearing on this...right?

Trump Funnels Record Subsidies to Farmers Ahead of Election Day

For the American farmers President Trump counts on for support, the government money is flowing faster than ever.
Federal payments to farmers are projected to hit a record $46 billion this year as the White House funnels money to Mr. Trump’s rural base in the South and Midwest ahead of Election Day.
The gush of funds has accelerated in recent weeks as the president looks to help his core supporters who have been hit hard by the double whammy of his combative trade practices and the coronavirus pandemic. According to the American Farm Bureau, debt in the farm sector is projected to increase by 4 percent to a record $434 billion this year and farm bankruptcies have continued to rise across the country.
Farmers are not the only constituency benefiting from the president’s largess: He has promised $200 prescription drug cards to millions of seniors, approved $13 billion in aid to Puerto Rico, which could help his prospects in Florida, and he directed his Agriculture Department include letters signed by him in millions of food aid boxes that are being distributed to the poor.

“There are both economic and political motivations for these payments,” said Patrick Westhoff, who directs University of Missouri’s agriculture research center.
Last week, the Office of Special Counsel determined that Mr. Trump’s Agriculture secretary, Sonny Perdue, had improperly used his position to push the president’s re-election by promising more help for farmers. At an August event in North Carolina, Mr. Perdue violated ethics laws when he promoted Mr. Trump’s re-election during remarks about the Farmers to Families Food Box Program, saying: “That’s what’s going to continue to happen — four more years — if America gets out and votes for this man, Donald J. Trump.”

Psst we are in a trade war

Psst..we're losing..bigly! Thus all the subsidies--to make our defeat..palatable.

Move out if you stand with our enemies

Are you so very stupid as to think that Trump's bs trade war is the only way to defeat China? How about..just boycott everything Chinese..and let them stew? Of course, that would mean that business would have to bring back jobs..and raise prices....and a shareholder might miss a dividend or two ..heaven forfend eh?

BTW..I note that you did not deny our current losing position..in said war.

 

[Redcurtain]

I'm sure that the upcoming election has no bearing on this...right?

Trump Funnels Record Subsidies to Farmers Ahead of Election Day

For the American farmers President Trump counts on for support, the government money is flowing faster than ever.
Federal payments to farmers are projected to hit a record $46 billion this year as the White House funnels money to Mr. Trump’s rural base in the South and Midwest ahead of Election Day.
The gush of funds has accelerated in recent weeks as the president looks to help his core supporters who have been hit hard by the double whammy of his combative trade practices and the coronavirus pandemic. According to the American Farm Bureau, debt in the farm sector is projected to increase by 4 percent to a record $434 billion this year and farm bankruptcies have continued to rise across the country.
Farmers are not the only constituency benefiting from the president’s largess: He has promised $200 prescription drug cards to millions of seniors, approved $13 billion in aid to Puerto Rico, which could help his prospects in Florida, and he directed his Agriculture Department include letters signed by him in millions of food aid boxes that are being distributed to the poor.

“There are both economic and political motivations for these payments,” said Patrick Westhoff, who directs University of Missouri’s agriculture research center.
Last week, the Office of Special Counsel determined that Mr. Trump’s Agriculture secretary, Sonny Perdue, had improperly used his position to push the president’s re-election by promising more help for farmers. At an August event in North Carolina, Mr. Perdue violated ethics laws when he promoted Mr. Trump’s re-election during remarks about the Farmers to Families Food Box Program, saying: “That’s what’s going to continue to happen — four more years — if America gets out and votes for this man, Donald J. Trump.”

Psst we are in a trade war

Psst..we're losing..bigly! Thus all the subsidies--to make our defeat..palatable.

Move out if you stand with our enemies

Are you so very stupid as to think that Trump's bs trade war is the only way to defeat China? How about..just boycott everything Chinese..and let them stew? Of course, that would mean that business would have to bring back jobs..and raise prices....and a shareholder might miss a dividend or two ..heaven forfend eh?

BTW..I note that you did not deny our current losing position..in said war.

Why don’t you run for President and win.. stfu and stand with America or die off

 

[Dragonlady]

Since when did farm subsidies become a bad thing?

Since liberals stopped teaching kids where food comes from.

And since Capitalist learned how to funnel the money to go to the real Farmers into their Off Shore Accounts.

Your medication needs adjusting. ^^^ this one thinks food comes from warehouse.

So you support the way the funds are doled out where the majority of the funds will end up in peoples accounts that have nothing to do with food production. Is that it? Is your food magically formed in the Supermarket by the Green Giant?

Corporate farming will destroy farming and the land. Guys with suits in South America making decisions based on Harvard Business School principles, rather than best land management practices to maintain the health of the ecosystems that making farming sustainable.

Corporations will always go with most profitable, without concern for the water table, soil depletion, or the dangers of the chemicals used. The farmer who lives on the land doesn’t want his groundwater fouled - his kids drink that water. He spreads his winter manure pile in the field because chemicals are expensive and they don’t want to eat them either. He doesn’t want the soil depleted because he wants his kids to take over one day, like he did.

Which outfit do you trust to grow your food? I’ll take the family farmer every single time. Hardest working people there are.

 

[EvilEyeFleegle]

I'm sure that the upcoming election has no bearing on this...right?

Trump Funnels Record Subsidies to Farmers Ahead of Election Day

For the American farmers President Trump counts on for support, the government money is flowing faster than ever.
Federal payments to farmers are projected to hit a record $46 billion this year as the White House funnels money to Mr. Trump’s rural base in the South and Midwest ahead of Election Day.
The gush of funds has accelerated in recent weeks as the president looks to help his core supporters who have been hit hard by the double whammy of his combative trade practices and the coronavirus pandemic. According to the American Farm Bureau, debt in the farm sector is projected to increase by 4 percent to a record $434 billion this year and farm bankruptcies have continued to rise across the country.
Farmers are not the only constituency benefiting from the president’s largess: He has promised $200 prescription drug cards to millions of seniors, approved $13 billion in aid to Puerto Rico, which could help his prospects in Florida, and he directed his Agriculture Department include letters signed by him in millions of food aid boxes that are being distributed to the poor.

“There are both economic and political motivations for these payments,” said Patrick Westhoff, who directs University of Missouri’s agriculture research center.
Last week, the Office of Special Counsel determined that Mr. Trump’s Agriculture secretary, Sonny Perdue, had improperly used his position to push the president’s re-election by promising more help for farmers. At an August event in North Carolina, Mr. Perdue violated ethics laws when he promoted Mr. Trump’s re-election during remarks about the Farmers to Families Food Box Program, saying: “That’s what’s going to continue to happen — four more years — if America gets out and votes for this man, Donald J. Trump.”

Psst we are in a trade war

Psst..we're losing..bigly! Thus all the subsidies--to make our defeat..palatable.

Move out if you stand with our enemies

Are you so very stupid as to think that Trump's bs trade war is the only way to defeat China? How about..just boycott everything Chinese..and let them stew? Of course, that would mean that business would have to bring back jobs..and raise prices....and a shareholder might miss a dividend or two ..heaven forfend eh?

BTW..I note that you did not deny our current losing position..in said war.

Why don’t you run for President and win.. stfu and stand with America or die off

Ahhh..and there's the rub..you see..I do stand with America..and against all you idiots that Trump empowered to crawl out from under your rocks. If you wish to know where America stands...look around you--and marvel as the old order crumbles..and the demographic forces a new paradigm. So i say the exact same thing to YOU---stfu and stand with America or die off..sooner the better..IMO. MY America is winning..10 years from now..what do you think the history books will say of you and your ilk..nothing nice..you can believe that..you will be vilified and demonized until two generations from now people will spit when Trump's name is mentioned.

BTw..again, I note that you did not deny that we are losing the war...bigly.

 

[whitehall]

The political term 'funnels" generally indicates political subterfuge and some nefarious agenda but farmers, freaking farmers grow and raise the stuff we need to stay alive. It's another post that belongs in the conspiracy forum or the freaking rubber room. I guess lefties would rather see subsidies go to Biden's favorite Ukraine or China.

 

[EvilEyeFleegle]

The political term 'funnels" generally indicates political subterfuge and some nefarious agenda but farmers, freaking farmers grow and raise the stuff we need to stay alive. It's another post that belongs in the conspiracy forum or the freaking rubber room.

Apparently you didn't read the article. Political subterfuge and hidden agendas are the subject. Trump is greasing his wheels, as it were. We don't eat tobacco..btw.

From the OP article:


Not all farmers received special payouts during the last three years, but the Trump administration has recently moved to ensure that those in critical states do not miss out.

That includes the tobacco industry, which was prohibited from receiving any of the trade assistance because of legal restrictions against subsidizing the sector. In September, the Agriculture Department quietly shifted some of the funds that were allocated to its Commodity Credit Corporation fund — which legally cannot subsidize tobacco — into a separate account that can bankroll the crop. Tobacco farmers will receive up to $100 million in payments, easing some of the financial pain that has been felt particularly hard in the battleground state of North Carolina.

The administration’s efforts have not erased the economic malaise and frustration among America’s farmers, who have seen sales fall and bankruptcies rise. The overall payouts have been large, but they have not always gone to the farmers who need them most. Critics, including both Democrat and Republican lawmakers, have argued that small farmers have missed out on the bulk of the bailout, while large and some foreign-owned farms have benefited.

 

[beautress]

Trump tapping into his supporters enthusiasm for socialism.

Hmmm, I've watched Trump support farmers before. He's been good to country people and their quest of making a living from a piece of land. I'm glad he still cares for us.

 

[Redcurtain]

The political term 'funnels" generally indicates political subterfuge and some nefarious agenda but farmers, freaking farmers grow and raise the stuff we need to stay alive. It's another post that belongs in the conspiracy forum or the freaking rubber room.

Apparently you didn't read the article. Political subterfuge and hidden agendas are the subject. Trump is greasing his wheels, as it were. We don't eat tobacco..btw.

From the OP article:


Not all farmers received special payouts during the last three years, but the Trump administration has recently moved to ensure that those in critical states do not miss out.

That includes the tobacco industry, which was prohibited from receiving any of the trade assistance because of legal restrictions against subsidizing the sector. In September, the Agriculture Department quietly shifted some of the funds that were allocated to its Commodity Credit Corporation fund — which legally cannot subsidize tobacco — into a separate account that can bankroll the crop. Tobacco farmers will receive up to $100 million in payments, easing some of the financial pain that has been felt particularly hard in the battleground state of North Carolina.

The administration’s efforts have not erased the economic malaise and frustration among America’s farmers, who have seen sales fall and bankruptcies rise. The overall payouts have been large, but they have not always gone to the farmers who need them most. Critics, including both Democrat and Republican lawmakers, have argued that small farmers have missed out on the bulk of the bailout, while large and some foreign-owned farms have benefited.

Stop your whining so annoying.. if trump found a cure for cancer you would still
Complain

 

[whitehall]

The democrat majority in the House approved the subsidies to the crucial Agra industry but for some reason the left prefers to use the sinister term "funnels" as if it was done in secret. If any industry in the U.S. deserves subsidies it's the industry that raises the crops and the livestock that keeps us alive.

 

[EvilEyeFleegle]

Trump tapping into his supporters enthusiasm for socialism.

Hmmm, I've watched Trump support farmers before. He's been good to country people and their quest of making a living from a piece of land. I'm glad he still cares for us.

Ahhh..if it were truly thus--Beautress...but it is not..you see..as been pointed out before, the bulk of the money goes to suits in boardrooms..not farmers in the field. American tax dollars are going to foreign nationals..to corporate agribusiness...and when the funds are disbursed..the individually owned farms must wait for months..while the corporations are paid first..front of the line service.
This is not really a knock on Trump...this has been practice for a long time..but it is quite clear that he is trying to buy a few votes...ironically..I'm pretty sure that all of those farmers are voting Trump..and would regardless..thus he is trying to convince the already convinced....

 

[beautress]

Trump tapping into his supporters enthusiasm for socialism.

Hmmm, I've watched Trump support farmers before. He's been good to country people and their quest of making a living from a piece of land. I'm glad he still cares for us.

Ahhh..if it were truly thus--Beautress...but it is not..you see..as been pointed out before, the bulk of the money goes to suits in boardrooms..not farmers in the field. American tax dollars are going to foreign nationals..to corporate agribusiness...and when the funds are disbursed..the individually owned farms must wait for months..while the corporations are paid first..front of the line service.
This is not really a knock on Trump...this has been practice for a long time..but it is quite clear that he is trying to buy a few votes...ironically..I'm pretty sure that all of those farmers are voting Trump..and would regardless..thus he is trying to convince the already convinced....

Huh, Mr. Fleegle? I got a modest check from the Fed a few months ago, so I went to tractor supply store and bought 3 kinds of chicks which are now all grown up and probably laying eggs very soon. Got a small house made up for rainy days and a fox-, possum- and raccoon-proof enclosed run area. It took a couple of weeks to get everything right, but all's well. They have to be fed and watered, but I love to undo grapes off the vine and toss them up on the top screen that fall like sweet rain, or cut apples or other fruits and watch the happy birds running for their fair share. Oh, and the black ones are so gorgeous not to mention as the 3 ducks who being outnumbered have to be diplomatic about breakfast. Lol.

I'm not complaining, but it took twice the amount sent to build 3 shelters and the buried wire, wire fences and a 7 foot ceiling that lets both rain and shine in, but who cares-- a huge bunch of chickens and 3 ducks can be very entertaining.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Since when did farm subsidies become a bad thing?

Since liberals stopped teaching kids where food comes from.

And since Capitalist learned how to funnel the money to go to the real Farmers into their Off Shore Accounts.

Your medication needs adjusting. ^^^ this one thinks food comes from warehouse.

So you support the way the funds are doled out where the majority of the funds will end up in peoples accounts that have nothing to do with food production. Is that it? Is your food magically formed in the Supermarket by the Green Giant?

Corporate farming will destroy farming and the land. Guys with suits in South America making decisions based on Harvard Business School principles, rather than best land management practices to maintain the health of the ecosystems that making farming sustainable.

Corporations will always go with most profitable, without concern for the water table, soil depletion, or the dangers of the chemicals used. The farmer who lives on the land doesn’t want his groundwater fouled - his kids drink that water. He spreads his winter manure pile in the field because chemicals are expensive and they don’t want to eat them either. He doesn’t want the soil depleted because he wants his kids to take over one day, like he did.

Which outfit do you trust to grow your food? I’ll take the family farmer every single time. Hardest working people there are.

Those were what the Subsidies were originally setup to help but sometime after 1980, it all went haywire when there was a ton of deregulation. And the Corporates started buying up the land from the bankrupt family farmers and then renting it back to them. Remember, the Land Owner gets the lions share of the Subsidies, not the actual person doing the farming.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Good. I like to eat as do you. Farmers produce food. Good for Trump.

Okay, Kruschev

 

[Claudette]

Good. I like to eat as do you. Farmers produce food. Good for Trump.

Okay, Kruschev

Guess you don't like to eat. Okay Pelousy.

 

[kaz]

Since when did farm subsidies become a bad thing?

Finally, someone asked the right question.

It's not a genuine question. Oddball is mocking you.

Well, it did open the door and that was all I needed.

But did you even get the point? Your complaints are totally valid. But they are essentially all the things that conservatives and libertarians warn about when these kinds of subsidies are proposed in the first place.

I might agree that the Libertarians have a point but the Conservatives are part of the problem as are the Liberals. Hell, even the Moderates. The problem is, no one of power has EVER seriously looked into the problem and made it public and expected to be reelected the next time around. Or to keep their appointed job for any time afterwards. Everyone talks about the Deep Cabal. Well, here was have a Brown Cabal that is out there for everyone to see. They don't even try and hide it.

This is another case of taking away programs that should go to the State and Locals and using a Federal System to administer it. I am not against the subsidies. I am against one single dime going to those that have exactly nothing to do with farming or producing food like speculators which is where the bulk of the subsidies go. Yes, do the subsidies but turn those funds over to the State or the Locals so that it can be more fairly doled out.

Your lack of knowledge of how to capitalize aside, I can't process the idea of someone "fairly" doling out other people's money at all

But you can process eating food.

What does that have to do with anything? Are you talking about farm subsidies in general or the ones now that are to keep farms alive after government shut down their markets? You seem to be another one just conflating those when they are different issues

I am talking about the system used to dole out those farm subsidies. And that includes the latest. The subsidies aren't reaching the actual farmers in enough percentage. Most of it goes to people that don't need it or don't have anything to do with farming. The level of farmers going out of business has gone up because the subsidies are still not making it to the hard working actual farmers. I am not against the subsidies. I am against the method used to determine who gets those subsidies.

And right now, the Subsidies have little to do with the family farmer's staying in business and making a living. Which equates to, his business producing food.

I didn't say anything about "family farmers"

Someone should. The skirt strings that are pulled are for the Family Farmers but the ones that get the most of the Subsidies aren't even in farming. They are share holders. It's another Corporate Welfare Scheme. Fact is, it's just another case of Rump trying to turn his losing campaign around and getting badly needed advertising funds. but it's a bit later for that. Remember, I said that 93% of the farmers are Family Farmers and they voted heavily for Rump last time. The Promise to help either was at a such small level or totally non existant that many are not voting for him this time around. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice and shame on me.

You're moving the goalposts. That isn't what the discussion was about

 

[kaz]

Rather the money goes to hard working farmers who feed us rather than welfare rats

It's not just the Rats. It's the Democraps as well. But not to worry, you food price won't go up. Well, not much, anyway.

We can afford it... you'll need government assistance......think hard

Hey, I vote for gas prices to go to 8 bucks a gallon. Why should the EU have all the fun?

Gas taxes should be set at funding the roads. No other taxpayer money should be spent on roads and no gas taxes should be spent for any purpose other than roads. And close tool booths, a second infrastructure to tax the same people.

Then just set the tax at that point where drivers are funding the roads

And you just came up with the EU secret to success. Great roads and high Fuel Prices. BTW, I agree with you.

But think of this, most of the Food and other supplies are delivered by Trucks. One Heavy truck does more wear and tear on the bridges and roads than 2000 Honda Civics do. One of the ways to subsidize the damage the trucks do to the Roads and bridges is to charge them a fraction to register for the road and then make up the difference is to spread the remainder to all the thousands of cars. If you were to charge the Trucks like they should be, the cost of that loaf of bread would be 20 or 30 bucks. And TP would be so out of reach, we would be scowering the forests for Pine Cones..

Where do you get that Europe has better roads? I find them to be pretty comparable to ours

You don't get out much, do you.

I know the European roads pretty well, how is that not getting out much? All you do is leave your parents basement and go to the video store. Though I have to hand it to you, I didn't even know they had those anymore. How did you find one?

What you did was pull it out of your ass, which is where you get all your material