Trump funnels record subsidies to farmers

[kaz]

Trump tapping into his supporters enthusiasm for socialism.

So British snob, is that what you're doing over there? Letting your businesses shut down with government force over the Wuhan virus fail?

Do you mean are they being smart.

I don't know what that means. Do you?

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Rather the money goes to hard working farmers who feed us rather than welfare rats

It's not just the Rats. It's the Democraps as well. But not to worry, you food price won't go up. Well, not much, anyway.

We can afford it... you'll need government assistance......think hard

Hey, I vote for gas prices to go to 8 bucks a gallon. Why should the EU have all the fun?

 

[dblack]

Trump tapping into his supporters enthusiasm for socialism.

Yep. He's just as bad as the Democrats. And the dummies will still vote for them.

Conflating government putting money into normal markets with government sustaining companies it forcibly shut down is pretty stupid. Particularly when that distinction is not even being acknowledged

Yes, yes. "It's different when we do it".

 

[kaz]

Rather the money goes to hard working farmers who feed us rather than welfare rats

It's not just the Rats. It's the Democraps as well. But not to worry, you food price won't go up. Well, not much, anyway.

We can afford it... you'll need government assistance......think hard

Hey, I vote for gas prices to go to 8 bucks a gallon. Why should the EU have all the fun?

Gas taxes should be set at funding the roads. No other taxpayer money should be spent on roads and no gas taxes should be spent for any purpose other than roads. And close tool booths, a second infrastructure to tax the same people.

Then just set the tax at that point where drivers are funding the roads

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Since when did farm subsidies become a bad thing?

Finally, someone asked the right question.

It's not a genuine question. Oddball is mocking you.

Well, it did open the door and that was all I needed.

But did you even get the point? Your complaints are totally valid. But they are essentially all the things that conservatives and libertarians warn about when these kinds of subsidies are proposed in the first place.

I might agree that the Libertarians have a point but the Conservatives are part of the problem as are the Liberals. Hell, even the Moderates. The problem is, no one of power has EVER seriously looked into the problem and made it public and expected to be reelected the next time around. Or to keep their appointed job for any time afterwards. Everyone talks about the Deep Cabal. Well, here was have a Brown Cabal that is out there for everyone to see. They don't even try and hide it.

This is another case of taking away programs that should go to the State and Locals and using a Federal System to administer it. I am not against the subsidies. I am against one single dime going to those that have exactly nothing to do with farming or producing food like speculators which is where the bulk of the subsidies go. Yes, do the subsidies but turn those funds over to the State or the Locals so that it can be more fairly doled out.

Your lack of knowledge of how to capitalize aside, I can't process the idea of someone "fairly" doling out other people's money at all

But you can process eating food.

 

[kaz]

Trump tapping into his supporters enthusiasm for socialism.

Yep. He's just as bad as the Democrats. And the dummies will still vote for them.

Conflating government putting money into normal markets with government sustaining companies it forcibly shut down is pretty stupid. Particularly when that distinction is not even being acknowledged

Yes, yes. "It's different when we do it".

The problem with sarcasm is that sometimes you don't make sense. You didn't.

The distinction I made was between government funding market participants, which is socialism, and government keeping businesses alive that government shut down.

Who does it as you said wasn't part of the equation. You didn't get that? Seriously?

 

[Redcurtain]

I'm sure that the upcoming election has no bearing on this...right?

Trump Funnels Record Subsidies to Farmers Ahead of Election Day

For the American farmers President Trump counts on for support, the government money is flowing faster than ever.
Federal payments to farmers are projected to hit a record $46 billion this year as the White House funnels money to Mr. Trump’s rural base in the South and Midwest ahead of Election Day.
The gush of funds has accelerated in recent weeks as the president looks to help his core supporters who have been hit hard by the double whammy of his combative trade practices and the coronavirus pandemic. According to the American Farm Bureau, debt in the farm sector is projected to increase by 4 percent to a record $434 billion this year and farm bankruptcies have continued to rise across the country.
Farmers are not the only constituency benefiting from the president’s largess: He has promised $200 prescription drug cards to millions of seniors, approved $13 billion in aid to Puerto Rico, which could help his prospects in Florida, and he directed his Agriculture Department include letters signed by him in millions of food aid boxes that are being distributed to the poor.

“There are both economic and political motivations for these payments,” said Patrick Westhoff, who directs University of Missouri’s agriculture research center.
Last week, the Office of Special Counsel determined that Mr. Trump’s Agriculture secretary, Sonny Perdue, had improperly used his position to push the president’s re-election by promising more help for farmers. At an August event in North Carolina, Mr. Perdue violated ethics laws when he promoted Mr. Trump’s re-election during remarks about the Farmers to Families Food Box Program, saying: “That’s what’s going to continue to happen — four more years — if America gets out and votes for this man, Donald J. Trump.”

Psst we are in a trade war

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Rather the money goes to hard working farmers who feed us rather than welfare rats

It's not just the Rats. It's the Democraps as well. But not to worry, you food price won't go up. Well, not much, anyway.

We can afford it... you'll need government assistance......think hard

Hey, I vote for gas prices to go to 8 bucks a gallon. Why should the EU have all the fun?

No you don't, you expect the government to take care of you.

You're in over your head, find a different thread

 

[kaz]

Since when did farm subsidies become a bad thing?

Finally, someone asked the right question.

It's not a genuine question. Oddball is mocking you.

Well, it did open the door and that was all I needed.

But did you even get the point? Your complaints are totally valid. But they are essentially all the things that conservatives and libertarians warn about when these kinds of subsidies are proposed in the first place.

I might agree that the Libertarians have a point but the Conservatives are part of the problem as are the Liberals. Hell, even the Moderates. The problem is, no one of power has EVER seriously looked into the problem and made it public and expected to be reelected the next time around. Or to keep their appointed job for any time afterwards. Everyone talks about the Deep Cabal. Well, here was have a Brown Cabal that is out there for everyone to see. They don't even try and hide it.

This is another case of taking away programs that should go to the State and Locals and using a Federal System to administer it. I am not against the subsidies. I am against one single dime going to those that have exactly nothing to do with farming or producing food like speculators which is where the bulk of the subsidies go. Yes, do the subsidies but turn those funds over to the State or the Locals so that it can be more fairly doled out.

Your lack of knowledge of how to capitalize aside, I can't process the idea of someone "fairly" doling out other people's money at all

But you can process eating food.

What does that have to do with anything? Are you talking about farm subsidies in general or the ones now that are to keep farms alive after government shut down their markets? You seem to be another one just conflating those when they are different issues

 

[WTF19]

I'm sure that the upcoming election has no bearing on this...right?

Trump Funnels Record Subsidies to Farmers Ahead of Election Day

For the American farmers President Trump counts on for support, the government money is flowing faster than ever.
Federal payments to farmers are projected to hit a record $46 billion this year as the White House funnels money to Mr. Trump’s rural base in the South and Midwest ahead of Election Day.
The gush of funds has accelerated in recent weeks as the president looks to help his core supporters who have been hit hard by the double whammy of his combative trade practices and the coronavirus pandemic. According to the American Farm Bureau, debt in the farm sector is projected to increase by 4 percent to a record $434 billion this year and farm bankruptcies have continued to rise across the country.
Farmers are not the only constituency benefiting from the president’s largess: He has promised $200 prescription drug cards to millions of seniors, approved $13 billion in aid to Puerto Rico, which could help his prospects in Florida, and he directed his Agriculture Department include letters signed by him in millions of food aid boxes that are being distributed to the poor.

“There are both economic and political motivations for these payments,” said Patrick Westhoff, who directs University of Missouri’s agriculture research center.
Last week, the Office of Special Counsel determined that Mr. Trump’s Agriculture secretary, Sonny Perdue, had improperly used his position to push the president’s re-election by promising more help for farmers. At an August event in North Carolina, Mr. Perdue violated ethics laws when he promoted Mr. Trump’s re-election during remarks about the Farmers to Families Food Box Program, saying: “That’s what’s going to continue to happen — four more years — if America gets out and votes for this man, Donald J. Trump.”

and BARRAG bailed the bank ceo s out...farmers or bankers?...i pick farmers

 

[dblack]

Since when did farm subsidies become a bad thing?

Finally, someone asked the right question.

It's not a genuine question. Oddball is mocking you.

Well, it did open the door and that was all I needed.

But did you even get the point? Your complaints are totally valid. But they are essentially all the things that conservatives and libertarians warn about when these kinds of subsidies are proposed in the first place.

I might agree that the Libertarians have a point but the Conservatives are part of the problem as are the Liberals. Hell, even the Moderates. The problem is, no one of power has EVER seriously looked into the problem and made it public and expected to be reelected the next time around. Or to keep their appointed job for any time afterwards. Everyone talks about the Deep Cabal. Well, here was have a Brown Cabal that is out there for everyone to see. They don't even try and hide it.

This is another case of taking away programs that should go to the State and Locals and using a Federal System to administer it. I am not against the subsidies. I am against one single dime going to those that have exactly nothing to do with farming or producing food like speculators which is where the bulk of the subsidies go. Yes, do the subsidies but turn those funds over to the State or the Locals so that it can be more fairly doled out.

Your lack of knowledge of how to capitalize aside, I can't process the idea of someone "fairly" doling out other people's money at all

But you can process eating food.

What does that have to do with anything? Are you talking about farm subsidies in general or the ones now that are to keep farms alive after government shut down their markets? You seem to be another one just conflating those when they are different issues

Trump was playing the subsidy game long before COVID came around. The bottom line is, he has no problem with big-government, liberal corporatism.

Farmers Got Billions From Taxpayers In 2019, And Hardly Anyone Objected

Farmers got more than $22 billion in government payments in 2019 — and most of the money came through a program that Congress never approved. It's the highest level of farm subsidies in 14 years.

www.npr.org

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Rather the money goes to hard working farmers who feed us rather than welfare rats

It's not just the Rats. It's the Democraps as well. But not to worry, you food price won't go up. Well, not much, anyway.

We can afford it... you'll need government assistance......think hard

Hey, I vote for gas prices to go to 8 bucks a gallon. Why should the EU have all the fun?

Gas taxes should be set at funding the roads. No other taxpayer money should be spent on roads and no gas taxes should be spent for any purpose other than roads. And close tool booths, a second infrastructure to tax the same people.

Then just set the tax at that point where drivers are funding the roads

And you just came up with the EU secret to success. Great roads and high Fuel Prices. BTW, I agree with you.

But think of this, most of the Food and other supplies are delivered by Trucks. One Heavy truck does more wear and tear on the bridges and roads than 2000 Honda Civics do. One of the ways to subsidize the damage the trucks do to the Roads and bridges is to charge them a fraction to register for the road and then make up the difference is to spread the remainder to all the thousands of cars. If you were to charge the Trucks like they should be, the cost of that loaf of bread would be 20 or 30 bucks. And TP would be so out of reach, we would be scowering the forests for Pine Cones..

 

[NoNukes]

Trump tapping into his supporters enthusiasm for socialism.

So British snob, is that what you're doing over there? Letting your businesses shut down with government force over the Wuhan virus fail?

Do you mean are they being smart.

I don't know what that means. Do you?

Yes

 

[kaz]

Since when did farm subsidies become a bad thing?

Finally, someone asked the right question.

It's not a genuine question. Oddball is mocking you.

Well, it did open the door and that was all I needed.

But did you even get the point? Your complaints are totally valid. But they are essentially all the things that conservatives and libertarians warn about when these kinds of subsidies are proposed in the first place.

I might agree that the Libertarians have a point but the Conservatives are part of the problem as are the Liberals. Hell, even the Moderates. The problem is, no one of power has EVER seriously looked into the problem and made it public and expected to be reelected the next time around. Or to keep their appointed job for any time afterwards. Everyone talks about the Deep Cabal. Well, here was have a Brown Cabal that is out there for everyone to see. They don't even try and hide it.

This is another case of taking away programs that should go to the State and Locals and using a Federal System to administer it. I am not against the subsidies. I am against one single dime going to those that have exactly nothing to do with farming or producing food like speculators which is where the bulk of the subsidies go. Yes, do the subsidies but turn those funds over to the State or the Locals so that it can be more fairly doled out.

Your lack of knowledge of how to capitalize aside, I can't process the idea of someone "fairly" doling out other people's money at all

But you can process eating food.

What does that have to do with anything? Are you talking about farm subsidies in general or the ones now that are to keep farms alive after government shut down their markets? You seem to be another one just conflating those when they are different issues

Trump was playing the subsidy game long before COVID came around. The bottom line is, he has no problem with big-government, liberal corporatism.

That would have been a legitimate point to have made if you had made that point

 

[gipper]

Trump isn’t the first potus to buy votes using taxpayer dollars and he won’t be the last.

The solution is terminating the federal government and everyone in it, then start anew.

or not.

I suppose some like the status quo. If they aren’t billionaires, there must lack awareness.

 

[kaz]

Trump tapping into his supporters enthusiasm for socialism.

So British snob, is that what you're doing over there? Letting your businesses shut down with government force over the Wuhan virus fail?

Do you mean are they being smart.

I don't know what that means. Do you?

Yes

Turquois

 

[kaz]

Trump isn’t the first potus to buy votes using taxpayer dollars and he won’t be the last.

The solution is terminating the federal government and everyone in it, then start anew.

or not.

I suppose some like the status quo. If they aren’t billionaires, there must lack awareness.

Here's a great book you may want to read:

https://www.amazon.com/How-Found-Freedom-Unfree-World/dp/0965603679&tag=ff0d01-20

 

[WTF19]

I'm sure that the upcoming election has no bearing on this...right?

Trump Funnels Record Subsidies to Farmers Ahead of Election Day

For the American farmers President Trump counts on for support, the government money is flowing faster than ever.
Federal payments to farmers are projected to hit a record $46 billion this year as the White House funnels money to Mr. Trump’s rural base in the South and Midwest ahead of Election Day.
The gush of funds has accelerated in recent weeks as the president looks to help his core supporters who have been hit hard by the double whammy of his combative trade practices and the coronavirus pandemic. According to the American Farm Bureau, debt in the farm sector is projected to increase by 4 percent to a record $434 billion this year and farm bankruptcies have continued to rise across the country.
Farmers are not the only constituency benefiting from the president’s largess: He has promised $200 prescription drug cards to millions of seniors, approved $13 billion in aid to Puerto Rico, which could help his prospects in Florida, and he directed his Agriculture Department include letters signed by him in millions of food aid boxes that are being distributed to the poor.

“There are both economic and political motivations for these payments,” said Patrick Westhoff, who directs University of Missouri’s agriculture research center.
Last week, the Office of Special Counsel determined that Mr. Trump’s Agriculture secretary, Sonny Perdue, had improperly used his position to push the president’s re-election by promising more help for farmers. At an August event in North Carolina, Mr. Perdue violated ethics laws when he promoted Mr. Trump’s re-election during remarks about the Farmers to Families Food Box Program, saying: “That’s what’s going to continue to happen — four more years — if America gets out and votes for this man, Donald J. Trump.”

Good old fashioned GOP vote buying, at the taxpayers' expense.

do you grow all of your food? do you kill all of the meat you will eat? how about all of your veggies and fruits? if not, thank the farmer...

 

[gipper]

Trump isn’t the first potus to buy votes using taxpayer dollars and he won’t be the last.

The solution is terminating the federal government and everyone in it, then start anew.

Yes, the Federal government no longer follows it's limits as defined in the Constitution in any way at all. It is illegitimate and should be overthrown

Agreed. Our government is a criminal enterprise. It violates the constitution on a daily basis. Hence it is illegitimate.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Since when did farm subsidies become a bad thing?

Finally, someone asked the right question.

It's not a genuine question. Oddball is mocking you.

Well, it did open the door and that was all I needed.

But did you even get the point? Your complaints are totally valid. But they are essentially all the things that conservatives and libertarians warn about when these kinds of subsidies are proposed in the first place.

I might agree that the Libertarians have a point but the Conservatives are part of the problem as are the Liberals. Hell, even the Moderates. The problem is, no one of power has EVER seriously looked into the problem and made it public and expected to be reelected the next time around. Or to keep their appointed job for any time afterwards. Everyone talks about the Deep Cabal. Well, here was have a Brown Cabal that is out there for everyone to see. They don't even try and hide it.

This is another case of taking away programs that should go to the State and Locals and using a Federal System to administer it. I am not against the subsidies. I am against one single dime going to those that have exactly nothing to do with farming or producing food like speculators which is where the bulk of the subsidies go. Yes, do the subsidies but turn those funds over to the State or the Locals so that it can be more fairly doled out.

Your lack of knowledge of how to capitalize aside, I can't process the idea of someone "fairly" doling out other people's money at all

But you can process eating food.

What does that have to do with anything? Are you talking about farm subsidies in general or the ones now that are to keep farms alive after government shut down their markets? You seem to be another one just conflating those when they are different issues

I am talking about the system used to dole out those farm subsidies. And that includes the latest. The subsidies aren't reaching the actual farmers in enough percentage. Most of it goes to people that don't need it or don't have anything to do with farming. The level of farmers going out of business has gone up because the subsidies are still not making it to the hard working actual farmers. I am not against the subsidies. I am against the method used to determine who gets those subsidies.

And right now, the Subsidies have little to do with the family farmer's staying in business and making a living. Which equates to, his business producing food.