Trump encourages boycott of Harley Davidson.

[RealDave]

He put on tariffs on steel & was surprised there were retaliatory tariffs on US goods.

You ignorant shit, they ALREADY HAD tariffs on us. Trump was evening out the playing field by putting tariffs on them. TRUMP is the one who is retaliating, dumb ****.

Under Nafta????

You & your fuckhead orange buddy don't realize that the US has a trade surplus with Canada on steel.

But hey, Canada is a National Security threat.. Right?

 

[protectionist]

Look, you oblivious idiot, Harley is moving offshore to target offshore markets, it still has US production to service the declining US market. Do you really not know this, do you just crash threads without a clue as to what they're about?

I don't know where you're coming up with this, but I can assure you that with the current booming US (Trump) economy, and unemployment down to 3.8%, the US market is anything but declining. After an idiotic statement like you just made, I won't even bother addressing whatever other jibberish you're posting.

 

[S.J.]

He put on tariffs on steel & was surprised there were retaliatory tariffs on US goods.

You ignorant shit, they ALREADY HAD tariffs on us. Trump was evening out the playing field by putting tariffs on them. TRUMP is the one who is retaliating, dumb ****.

Under Nafta????

You & your fuckhead orange buddy don't realize that the US has a trade surplus with Canada on steel.

But hey, Canada is a National Security threat.. Right?

Cherry picking. Overall we have a deficit and that stifles our GDP growth. You guys are so full of shit.

 

[protectionist]

We have Paid our debt,bigtime we are Americas foremost Ally,something you should remember when every Australian Military person gets killed.With Respect,Protectionist...steve

Moreover in the Pacific and Australia you were shoring up your back...knowing full well what great combat troops were and are today

Don't lecture me Aussie boy, just remember what the US did for you, the next time you want to wander into the "debt" realm. Whatever the US troops were in Australia for, thy covered your asses bigtime, and paid for it with their lives.

 

[RealDave]

HD has a history of outsourcing their brand. When AMF owned them, they sold low cc 250's etc., crap made overseas to the public. They also had this current overseas thing in progress years before The Donald was elected President in a landslide. Triumph, BMW, Indian (Polaris), Yamaha are obvious better choices for large two cylinder engines.

BMW, Yamaha Triumph Honda - Great American companies. I thought you people were about MAGA?

 

[protectionist]

Get what? Why can't US steel companies compete with the EU or Canada steel companies.

The problem is that Trump knows nothing about trade. He is naive.

He put on tariffs on steel & was surprised there were retaliatory tariffs on US goods.


You two jerkoffs think that we can only use US made materials & buy only US made goods & the other countries won't care? This is exactly why you are a fool.

"GET" back to having a balance of trade that is consistent with the US being in command of world trading, because of our MARKET.

YOU apparently are the one who knows noting about trade. 4 really stupid US presidents gave China unrestricted access to our huge and valuable market, while they restrict us from getting our goods into their countries. Even a kid in the 6th grade can figure out how moronic that is. Get with it.

And who said Trump was surprised at retaliatory tariffs ? He knows exactly what he's doing. Sure, other countries will care about what's going on. But this is all in the context of the US having the largest and richest MARKET in the world. You just don't get the balance scale of all this. YOU are the one that isn't up to par on this.

 

[Dragonlady]

Reagan pulled Harley Davidson out of the fire and saved their asses. Now our President wants to help them and every other American company by eliminating unfair trade practices and Harley Davidson bails on him instead of hanging in until Trump gets a better deal (THAT WILL HELP HARLEY). **** Harley Davidson, I hope they go under for good this time. No more bailouts.

Tell us how the EU & US had unfair trading agreement...

Yes there was tarrifs on both sides but that is why it was an agreement...

The tariffs on us is higher than the tariffs on them. Is that simple enough for you to understand?

The US has a 25% tariff on foreign made trucks imported into the US. Trump never talks about THAT tariff, only about the tariff on US made cars going to Europe.

The EU instituted these tariffs because US made cars don’t meet the much stricter mileage and emissions requirements. They don’t want your polluting gas burners.

And what’s Trump doing? Rolling back mileage and emissions standards, of course. Making American made cars less appealing to the European market, if not outright illegal.

When you want to expand foreign markets, a smart businessman studies the market and makes products the customers want. He doesn’t try to bully them into buying stuff they don’t want.

But then no one has ever accused Dumb Donald of being a smart businessman.

 

[RealDave]

He put on tariffs on steel & was surprised there were retaliatory tariffs on US goods.

You ignorant shit, they ALREADY HAD tariffs on us. Trump was evening out the playing field by putting tariffs on them. TRUMP is the one who is retaliating, dumb ****.

Under Nafta????

You & your fuckhead orange buddy don't realize that the US has a trade surplus with Canada on steel.

But hey, Canada is a National Security threat.. Right?

Cherry picking. Overall we have a deficit and that stifles our GDP growth. You guys are so full of shit.

The subject was steel tariffs moron. And Tariffs.

The net result so far are job losses. I wonder how that helps the GDP

 

[RealDave]

Get what? Why can't US steel companies compete with the EU or Canada steel companies.

The problem is that Trump knows nothing about trade. He is naive.

He put on tariffs on steel & was surprised there were retaliatory tariffs on US goods.


You two jerkoffs think that we can only use US made materials & buy only US made goods & the other countries won't care? This is exactly why you are a fool.

"GET" back to having a balance of trade that is consistent with the US being in command of world trading, because of our MARKET.

YOU apparently are the one who knows noting about trade. 4 really stupid US presidents gave China unrestricted access to our huge and valuable market, while they restrict us from getting our goods into their countries. Even a kid in the 6th grade can figure out how moronic that is. Get with it.

And who said Trump was surprised at retaliatory tariffs ? He knows exactly what he's doing. Sure, other countries will care about what's going on. But this is all in the context of the US having the largest and richest MARKET in the world. You just don't get the balance scale of all this. YOU are the one that isn't up to par on this.

So, Trump warned farmers & manufacturers that the tariffs would create the mess it has? According to you, he knew & he said **** farmers. **** mfrs like HD. He is scrambling to cover his ass like promising 12 B to farmers.

A leader would have everything in place to deal with the retaliatory tariffs. Trump either was too stupid or he just figured **** Americans that will be hurt. Which is it?

Want to know just how ignorant & stupid you are? You think Trump knows more than the past four administrations & their advisors. How the **** can anyone justify that?

 

[S.J.]

Reagan pulled Harley Davidson out of the fire and saved their asses. Now our President wants to help them and every other American company by eliminating unfair trade practices and Harley Davidson bails on him instead of hanging in until Trump gets a better deal (THAT WILL HELP HARLEY). **** Harley Davidson, I hope they go under for good this time. No more bailouts.

Tell us how the EU & US had unfair trading agreement...

Yes there was tarrifs on both sides but that is why it was an agreement...

The tariffs on us is higher than the tariffs on them. Is that simple enough for you to understand?

The US has a 25% tariff on foreign made trucks imported into the US. Trump never talks about THAT tariff, only about the tariff on US made cars going to Europe.

The EU instituted these tariffs because US made cars don’t meet the much stricter mileage and emissions requirements. They don’t want your polluting gas burners.

And what’s Trump doing? Rolling back mileage and emissions standards, of course. Making American made cars less appealing to the European market, if not outright illegal.

When you want to expand foreign markets, a smart businessman studies the market and makes products the customers want. He doesn’t try to bully them into buying stuff they don’t want.

But then no one has ever accused Dumb Donald of being a smart businessman.

Links?

 

[Wry Catcher]

Reagan pulled Harley Davidson out of the fire and saved their asses. Now our President wants to help them and every other American company by eliminating unfair trade practices and Harley Davidson bails on him instead of hanging in until Trump gets a better deal (THAT WILL HELP HARLEY). **** Harley Davidson, I hope they go under for good this time. No more bailouts.

Once again an emotional reaction to another foolish remark by Trump, an example of a comment which is self serving to him, and harms many other people (HD employees, an American Community and holders of their stock).

 

[protectionist]

So, you think people lay off workers & then their sales drop?

I guess I do, since as a college economics teacher, I taught it to students for 4 years, as have thousands of other college microeconomics teachers all around the world, been doing for hundreds of years.

What happened, you dropped out of school in the 9th grade ?

Why do YOU think business owner has the number of employees that he does ? You think it's his lucky number ? His birthday number ? Number of his favorite ballplayer ?

 

[Dragonlady]

So, you think people lay off workers & then their sales drop?

I guess I do, since as a college economics teacher, I taught it to students for 4 years, as have thousands of other college microeconomics teachers all around the world, been doing for hundreds of years.

What happened, you dropped out of school in the 9th grade ?

Why do YOU think business owner has the number of employees that he does ? You think it's his lucky number ? His birthday number ? Number of his favorite ballplayer ?

If you’re an economics teacher, I’m a nuclear physicist. Everything you’ve posted here displays an astounding level of ignorance on trade matters. You should actually learn something about tariffs before posting.

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[S.J.]

He put on tariffs on steel & was surprised there were retaliatory tariffs on US goods.

You ignorant shit, they ALREADY HAD tariffs on us. Trump was evening out the playing field by putting tariffs on them. TRUMP is the one who is retaliating, dumb ****.

Under Nafta????

You & your fuckhead orange buddy don't realize that the US has a trade surplus with Canada on steel.

But hey, Canada is a National Security threat.. Right?

Cherry picking. Overall we have a deficit and that stifles our GDP growth. You guys are so full of shit.

The subject was steel tariffs moron. And Tariffs.

The net result so far are job losses. I wonder how that helps the GDP

The subject is TRADE, and not just the products you want to cherry pick to make your point. And job losses? Really? With unemployment at record lows, you present a pretty weak case. GDP? Keep wondering while we watch it grow (in stark contrast to the communist who just left). Trump is putting Obama to shame in every aspect of leadership and you just can't stand it, and talking the economy down won't work. Lying repeatedly doesn't change facts (although I understand it's the only weapon you have in your arsenal).

 

[Dragonlady]

He put on tariffs on steel & was surprised there were retaliatory tariffs on US goods.

You ignorant shit, they ALREADY HAD tariffs on us. Trump was evening out the playing field by putting tariffs on them. TRUMP is the one who is retaliating, dumb ****.

Under Nafta????

You & your fuckhead orange buddy don't realize that the US has a trade surplus with Canada on steel.

But hey, Canada is a National Security threat.. Right?

Cherry picking. Overall we have a deficit and that stifles our GDP growth. You guys are so full of shit.

The subject was steel tariffs moron. And Tariffs.

The net result so far are job losses. I wonder how that helps the GDP

The subject is TRADE, and not just the products you want to cherry pick to make your point. And job losses? Really? With unemployment at record lows, you present a pretty weak case. GDP? Keep wondering while we watch it grow (in stark contrast to the communist who just left). Trump is putting Obama to shame in every aspect of leadership and you just can't stand it, and talking the economy down won't work. Lying repeatedly doesn't change facts (although I understand it's the only weapon you have in your arsenal).

“Lying repeatedly doesn’t change facts.” Oh the irony considering that there wasn’t a single verifiable fact in that post.

With unemployment at records lows, why is Trump using economic policies to stimulate employment? Why is Trump running the biggest deficit in US history? You’re supposed to cut the deficit during times of prosperity and full employment.

Trumps growth rates are no different that Obama’s. The economy grew just 2.3% in 2017.

While Trumpbots are still orgasming over last months’ GDP figures, economists warned that the increase in exports and GDP don’t provide an accurate picture of the economy. Soy bean and other exports increased as buyers rushed to take delivery ahead of the imposition of announced tariffs. Trump said the export increases showed his tariffs are working. Economists said not so fast.

Obama had higher GDP growth in 5 quarters during his administration. And he didn’t goose the figures with threats of tariffs or by imposing tariffs. This was genuine growth fuelled by inventories and sales.

Last year’s GDP growth was 2.3%, which is only the 4th highest rate of growth in the past 7 years. Middling at best.

This year’s growth is only averaging 3.2% despite massive tax cuts, the largest budget deficit in US history, and the threat of tariffs. Talk about picking up the peanuts while being trampled by the elephants!

Notice that not one trade deal has been signed since Trump started this tariff nonsense, while your trading partners are busily making deals with other countries without you. An agreement to “continue discussions” and “work toward” a deal, isn’t a deal.

In the meantime, plants are starting to close. Yes the weak sisters go down first. But Trump promised prosperity for ALL Americans. He promised to save US jobs not put companies out of business.

Then there’s his attacks on Amazon, Harley Davidson, and others who have criticized him. Not to mention boycotts of American goods.

You want Canadians to buy American dairy products? Stop feeding antibiotics and growth hormones to your cows. You want Europe to buy your soybeans? Stop growing GMO crops. Stop using nerve gas as a pesticide. If you want exports, produce goods your customers want to buy.

Third quarter results might not be what you’re expecting.

 

[S.J.]

You ignorant shit, they ALREADY HAD tariffs on us. Trump was evening out the playing field by putting tariffs on them. TRUMP is the one who is retaliating, dumb ****.

Under Nafta????

You & your fuckhead orange buddy don't realize that the US has a trade surplus with Canada on steel.

But hey, Canada is a National Security threat.. Right?

Cherry picking. Overall we have a deficit and that stifles our GDP growth. You guys are so full of shit.

The subject was steel tariffs moron. And Tariffs.

The net result so far are job losses. I wonder how that helps the GDP

The subject is TRADE, and not just the products you want to cherry pick to make your point. And job losses? Really? With unemployment at record lows, you present a pretty weak case. GDP? Keep wondering while we watch it grow (in stark contrast to the communist who just left). Trump is putting Obama to shame in every aspect of leadership and you just can't stand it, and talking the economy down won't work. Lying repeatedly doesn't change facts (although I understand it's the only weapon you have in your arsenal).

“Lying repeatedly doesn’t change facts.” Oh the irony considering that there wasn’t a single verifiable fact in that post.

With unemployment is at records lows, why is Trump using economic policies to stimulate employment? Why is Trump running the biggest deficit in US history? You’re supposed to cut the deficit during times of prosperity.

Trumps growth rates are no different that Obama’s. The economy grew just 2.3% in 2017.

While Trumpbots are still orgasming over last months’ GDP figures, economists warned that the increase in exports and GDP don’t provide an accurate picture of the economy. Soy bean and other exports increased as buyers rushed to take delivery ahead of the imposition of announced tariffs. Trump said the export increases showed his tariffs are working. Economists said not so fast.

Obama had higher GDP growth in 5 quarters during his administration. And he didn’t goose the figures with threats of tariffs or by imposing tariffs. This was genuine growth fuelled by inventories and sales.

Last year’s GDP growth was 2.3%, which is only the 4th highest rate of growth in the past 7 years. Middling at best.

This year’s growth is only averaging 3.2% despite massive tax cuts, the largest budget deficit in US history, and the threat of tariffs. Talk about picking up the peanuts while being trampled by the elephants!

Notice that not one trade deal has been signed since Trump started this tariff nonsense, while your trading partners are busily making deals with other countries without you. An agreement to “continue discussions” and “work toward” a deal, isn’t a deal.

In the meantime, plants are starting to close. Yes the weak sisters go down first

Again, no links.

 

[whitehall]

Harley might be a magic name in motorcycles but the company has been grossly mismanaged in the past and possibly today. The company made a notoriously shoddy product while they were part of the AMF conglomerate. The reason the sissy hypocrite left who normally hate and fear motorcycle riders and never had their fat asses on a motorcycle automatically take the side of HD isn't because they are interested in motorcycles, it's because they hate the President.

 

[Dragonlady]

Under Nafta????

You & your fuckhead orange buddy don't realize that the US has a trade surplus with Canada on steel.

But hey, Canada is a National Security threat.. Right?

Cherry picking. Overall we have a deficit and that stifles our GDP growth. You guys are so full of shit.

The subject was steel tariffs moron. And Tariffs.

The net result so far are job losses. I wonder how that helps the GDP

The subject is TRADE, and not just the products you want to cherry pick to make your point. And job losses? Really? With unemployment at record lows, you present a pretty weak case. GDP? Keep wondering while we watch it grow (in stark contrast to the communist who just left). Trump is putting Obama to shame in every aspect of leadership and you just can't stand it, and talking the economy down won't work. Lying repeatedly doesn't change facts (although I understand it's the only weapon you have in your arsenal).

“Lying repeatedly doesn’t change facts.” Oh the irony considering that there wasn’t a single verifiable fact in that post.

With unemployment is at records lows, why is Trump using economic policies to stimulate employment? Why is Trump running the biggest deficit in US history? You’re supposed to cut the deficit during times of prosperity.

Trumps growth rates are no different that Obama’s. The economy grew just 2.3% in 2017.

While Trumpbots are still orgasming over last months’ GDP figures, economists warned that the increase in exports and GDP don’t provide an accurate picture of the economy. Soy bean and other exports increased as buyers rushed to take delivery ahead of the imposition of announced tariffs. Trump said the export increases showed his tariffs are working. Economists said not so fast.

Obama had higher GDP growth in 5 quarters during his administration. And he didn’t goose the figures with threats of tariffs or by imposing tariffs. This was genuine growth fuelled by inventories and sales.

Last year’s GDP growth was 2.3%, which is only the 4th highest rate of growth in the past 7 years. Middling at best.

This year’s growth is only averaging 3.2% despite massive tax cuts, the largest budget deficit in US history, and the threat of tariffs. Talk about picking up the peanuts while being trampled by the elephants!

Notice that not one trade deal has been signed since Trump started this tariff nonsense, while your trading partners are busily making deals with other countries without you. An agreement to “continue discussions” and “work toward” a deal, isn’t a deal.

In the meantime, plants are starting to close. Yes the weak sisters go down first

Again, no links.

“Don’t do as I do, do as I say. There wasn’t a single link in anything you posted which you claim are facts. So you first, Bucko. I’m just following your example, except for the lying part.

I’ll give you one:

U.S. - GDP growth by year 1990-2017 | Statista

 

[protectionist]

Thank the gods sales aren't dropping.

They will if the company stupidly raises prices or lays off workers.

 

[protectionist]

Exactly. S.J. quietly slinked away before he got his ass royally reamed just like Kosh has been by McRocket and cnm. I have never eaten so much popcorn in one setting.

Looks to me like you liberals are the ones getting your asses handed to you, in this thread. I haven't seen a smart comment from all of you yet.

Sure, come back and tell me how you want to continue the last 30 years of giving China et al unrestricted access to the largest, richest market in the world. Pheeeew! (high-pitched whistle; eyes rolling around in head)