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Are you saying you are willing to pay US agricultural workers a living wage to harvest your fruits and vegetables? If so, would you be willing to subsidize private (corporate) farmers with your tax dollars in order to consistently provide those wages?Have you ever seen mechanical harvesters for grapes, citrus, avocados, or strawberries? I suppose such devices are possible, but their cost would be well beyond what's currently being spent to harvest those crops. How much more for your fruits and vegetables are you willing to pay in order to stem illegal immigration?That's bullshit. In Arizona when tough legislation chased the illegals away, ranchers and farmers invested in new agricultural equipment that did nearly all the jobs the illegals had done, creating new jobs for equipment manufacturers and increasing wages for remaining agricultural workers. The crops will be picked and processed by machines and American agricultural workers will earn more because the illegals are gone.Some jobs, particularly those in agriculture, will not get done without immigrants.Are they ILLEGAL immigrants?There are thousands of immigrants in my community,
If they are, you don't give them jobs, or government services.
California's undocumented workers help the economy grow – but may pay the cost
"Brokaw Ranch Company, in Ventura County, grows hundreds of acres of fruit including avocados, oranges and lemons that end up on tables all across the United States via Sam's Club, Wal-Mart and Costco.
"But before it gets there, it starts here, in leafy groves of trees under the California sun, where crews of workers climb the trees with ladders, cut each piece of fruit by hand and carry it in 80-pound sacks to collection bins.
"It's hard, careful work and, at least on this farm, it's done by immigrants.
"The Ventura County farm bureau estimates as many as 36,000 field workers bring in the county's crops of citrus, avocado and strawberries in peak harvest season, and that 95 percent of them are foreign-born.
"Ranch owner Ellen Brokaw said immigrant labor is essential to Ventura County's farms."
Their true worth when paying Americans a living wage. Why does the left absolutely hammer Wal-Mart but give a pass to agriculture. You don't care if Wal-Mart raises prices.
I posted an op ed as an opinion, one of many supporting Donald Trump's long history of racist behavior. Do you have any opinions claiming otherwise?Was Trump a racist when he was a Democrat?
"Donald Trump’s Racism:
The Definitive List"
Opinion | Donald Trump’s Racism: The Definitive List
No.....You posted an Op Ed as fact fool.
Nonsense, when Az passed legislation to push the Illegals out of the state, farmers replaced them with machinery which didn't add significantly to their costs and the wages the remaining agricultural workers, all Americans, went up. Getting rid of the illegals helps both business owner and workers as well as the manufacturers of equipment that will be bought to replace the illegals. It's good for America.Are you saying you are willing to pay US agricultural workers a living wage to harvest your fruits and vegetables? If so, would you be willing to subsidize private (corporate) farmers with your tax dollars in order to consistently provide those wages?Have you ever seen mechanical harvesters for grapes, citrus, avocados, or strawberries? I suppose such devices are possible, but their cost would be well beyond what's currently being spent to harvest those crops. How much more for your fruits and vegetables are you willing to pay in order to stem illegal immigration?That's bullshit. In Arizona when tough legislation chased the illegals away, ranchers and farmers invested in new agricultural equipment that did nearly all the jobs the illegals had done, creating new jobs for equipment manufacturers and increasing wages for remaining agricultural workers. The crops will be picked and processed by machines and American agricultural workers will earn more because the illegals are gone.Some jobs, particularly those in agriculture, will not get done without immigrants.Are they ILLEGAL immigrants?
If they are, you don't give them jobs, or government services.
California's undocumented workers help the economy grow – but may pay the cost
"Brokaw Ranch Company, in Ventura County, grows hundreds of acres of fruit including avocados, oranges and lemons that end up on tables all across the United States via Sam's Club, Wal-Mart and Costco.
"But before it gets there, it starts here, in leafy groves of trees under the California sun, where crews of workers climb the trees with ladders, cut each piece of fruit by hand and carry it in 80-pound sacks to collection bins.
"It's hard, careful work and, at least on this farm, it's done by immigrants.
"The Ventura County farm bureau estimates as many as 36,000 field workers bring in the county's crops of citrus, avocado and strawberries in peak harvest season, and that 95 percent of them are foreign-born.
"Ranch owner Ellen Brokaw said immigrant labor is essential to Ventura County's farms."
Their true worth when paying Americans a living wage. Why does the left absolutely hammer Wal-Mart but give a pass to agriculture. You don't care if Wal-Mart raises prices.
Are you saying you are willing to pay US agricultural workers a living wage to harvest your fruits and vegetables? If so, would you be willing to subsidize private (corporate) farmers with your tax dollars in order to consistently provide those wages?Have you ever seen mechanical harvesters for grapes, citrus, avocados, or strawberries? I suppose such devices are possible, but their cost would be well beyond what's currently being spent to harvest those crops. How much more for your fruits and vegetables are you willing to pay in order to stem illegal immigration?That's bullshit. In Arizona when tough legislation chased the illegals away, ranchers and farmers invested in new agricultural equipment that did nearly all the jobs the illegals had done, creating new jobs for equipment manufacturers and increasing wages for remaining agricultural workers. The crops will be picked and processed by machines and American agricultural workers will earn more because the illegals are gone.Some jobs, particularly those in agriculture, will not get done without immigrants.Are they ILLEGAL immigrants?
If they are, you don't give them jobs, or government services.
California's undocumented workers help the economy grow – but may pay the cost
"Brokaw Ranch Company, in Ventura County, grows hundreds of acres of fruit including avocados, oranges and lemons that end up on tables all across the United States via Sam's Club, Wal-Mart and Costco.
"But before it gets there, it starts here, in leafy groves of trees under the California sun, where crews of workers climb the trees with ladders, cut each piece of fruit by hand and carry it in 80-pound sacks to collection bins.
"It's hard, careful work and, at least on this farm, it's done by immigrants.
"The Ventura County farm bureau estimates as many as 36,000 field workers bring in the county's crops of citrus, avocado and strawberries in peak harvest season, and that 95 percent of them are foreign-born.
"Ranch owner Ellen Brokaw said immigrant labor is essential to Ventura County's farms."
Their true worth when paying Americans a living wage. Why does the left absolutely hammer Wal-Mart but give a pass to agriculture. You don't care if Wal-Mart raises prices.
Let's see if we agree on the distinction between "refugee" and "migrant."Explain how the word "illegal" applies to "political refugees."What's the difference between refugee and migrant, Bitch?
Ahhh you avoid the 'illegal' term once more. You have already been told this but as yet, you refuse to address why you ignore it.
Explain how' temporary' means 'permanen't in your highly estimable leftist lexicon. And, you still haven't explained why you think 'illegal' means 'legal.' While you are at it, explain how the Democrats shielded a KKK congressman for so many years.
.... solely because of Reagan Administration-sponsored death squads in their home country. ....
Do you have any evidence of machinery that can harvest crops like strawberries and citrus? As far as improving economic conditions for "business owner and workers", there's little evidence of that based on recent US historyNonsense, when Az passed legislation to push the Illegals out of the state, farmers replaced them with machinery which didn't add significantly to their costs and the wages the remaining agricultural workers, all Americans, went up. Getting rid of the illegals helps both business owner and workers as well as the manufacturers of equipment that will be bought to replace the illegals. It's good for America.Are you saying you are willing to pay US agricultural workers a living wage to harvest your fruits and vegetables? If so, would you be willing to subsidize private (corporate) farmers with your tax dollars in order to consistently provide those wages?Have you ever seen mechanical harvesters for grapes, citrus, avocados, or strawberries? I suppose such devices are possible, but their cost would be well beyond what's currently being spent to harvest those crops. How much more for your fruits and vegetables are you willing to pay in order to stem illegal immigration?That's bullshit. In Arizona when tough legislation chased the illegals away, ranchers and farmers invested in new agricultural equipment that did nearly all the jobs the illegals had done, creating new jobs for equipment manufacturers and increasing wages for remaining agricultural workers. The crops will be picked and processed by machines and American agricultural workers will earn more because the illegals are gone.Some jobs, particularly those in agriculture, will not get done without immigrants.
California's undocumented workers help the economy grow – but may pay the cost
"Brokaw Ranch Company, in Ventura County, grows hundreds of acres of fruit including avocados, oranges and lemons that end up on tables all across the United States via Sam's Club, Wal-Mart and Costco.
"But before it gets there, it starts here, in leafy groves of trees under the California sun, where crews of workers climb the trees with ladders, cut each piece of fruit by hand and carry it in 80-pound sacks to collection bins.
"It's hard, careful work and, at least on this farm, it's done by immigrants.
"The Ventura County farm bureau estimates as many as 36,000 field workers bring in the county's crops of citrus, avocado and strawberries in peak harvest season, and that 95 percent of them are foreign-born.
"Ranch owner Ellen Brokaw said immigrant labor is essential to Ventura County's farms."
Their true worth when paying Americans a living wage. Why does the left absolutely hammer Wal-Mart but give a pass to agriculture. You don't care if Wal-Mart raises prices.
Were you there?.... solely because of Reagan Administration-sponsored death squads in their home country. ....
BS
why do we have any illegals instead of generating more revenue from fines, in addition to the regular fee?What's the difference between refugee and migrant, Bitch?
Ahhh you avoid the 'illegal' term once more. You have already been told this but as yet, you refuse to address why you ignore it.
I posted an op ed as an opinion, one of many supporting Donald Trump's long history of racist behavior. Do you have any opinions claiming otherwise?
It is also possible some of the largest US growers will shift production to Mexico:Are you saying you are willing to pay US agricultural workers a living wage to harvest your fruits and vegetables? If so, would you be willing to subsidize private (corporate) farmers with your tax dollars in order to consistently provide those wages?Have you ever seen mechanical harvesters for grapes, citrus, avocados, or strawberries? I suppose such devices are possible, but their cost would be well beyond what's currently being spent to harvest those crops. How much more for your fruits and vegetables are you willing to pay in order to stem illegal immigration?That's bullshit. In Arizona when tough legislation chased the illegals away, ranchers and farmers invested in new agricultural equipment that did nearly all the jobs the illegals had done, creating new jobs for equipment manufacturers and increasing wages for remaining agricultural workers. The crops will be picked and processed by machines and American agricultural workers will earn more because the illegals are gone.Some jobs, particularly those in agriculture, will not get done without immigrants.
California's undocumented workers help the economy grow – but may pay the cost
"Brokaw Ranch Company, in Ventura County, grows hundreds of acres of fruit including avocados, oranges and lemons that end up on tables all across the United States via Sam's Club, Wal-Mart and Costco.
"But before it gets there, it starts here, in leafy groves of trees under the California sun, where crews of workers climb the trees with ladders, cut each piece of fruit by hand and carry it in 80-pound sacks to collection bins.
"It's hard, careful work and, at least on this farm, it's done by immigrants.
"The Ventura County farm bureau estimates as many as 36,000 field workers bring in the county's crops of citrus, avocado and strawberries in peak harvest season, and that 95 percent of them are foreign-born.
"Ranch owner Ellen Brokaw said immigrant labor is essential to Ventura County's farms."
Their true worth when paying Americans a living wage. Why does the left absolutely hammer Wal-Mart but give a pass to agriculture. You don't care if Wal-Mart raises prices.
I'm saying we need to be honest. Americans will do those jobs (and do in some areas) for real wages. Illegal aliens will do it for far less. Illegal aliens fill jobs Americans could do and they suppress wages. The add to income inequality. They are holes in the bottom of the boat of the War on Poverty.
Let's quit the smoke and mirrors and see the real value of things. Americans can make up their own minds whether avocados are worth it as often. The living wage would give consumers more money, so it may be avocados every day!
If avocados are just too expensive, it is what it is. Maybe strawberries become a delicacy. So be it. Reality is better than the smokescreen IMO.
Are you saying you are willing to pay US agricultural workers a living wage to harvest your fruits and vegetables? If so, would you be willing to subsidize private (corporate) farmers with your tax dollars in order to consistently provide those wages?
"This is how the growers will respond to President Trump’s threatened crackdown on immigration: They will lobby, asking Congress to provide some legal option to hang on to their foreign work force.
"They will switch to crops like tree nuts, which are less labor-intensive to produce than perishable fruits and vegetables. They will look for technology to mechanize the harvest of strawberries and other crops. And they will rent land in Mexico.
"There is one thing they won’t do.
"Even if the Trump administration were to deploy the 10,000 immigration agents it plans to hire across the nation’s fields to detain and deport farmhands working illegally, farmers are very unlikely to raise wages and improve working conditions to attract American workers instead."
None of which sheds much light on whether or not Trump is a racist.I posted an op ed as an opinion, one of many supporting Donald Trump's long history of racist behavior. Do you have any opinions claiming otherwise?
So what? You want me to post op eds about Obama being an illegal alien? How about Hillary Clinton as a criminal? How about Bill Clinton as a rapist? How about Comey as a long-time Clinton shield (going back to White Water). How about the corruption in the FBI? How about Obama's Muslim roots and Muslim appointments? I could go on but unless you are brain dead you should get the idea. I have an Op Ed that 'proves' that Obama's birth certificate was Photo Shopped.
I don't think there's a shortage of farmland in Mexico which suggests deporting thousands of refugees currently working US farms will also deport jobs as well as workers."This is how the growers will respond to President Trump’s threatened crackdown on immigration: They will lobby, asking Congress to provide some legal option to hang on to their foreign work force.
"They will switch to crops like tree nuts, which are less labor-intensive to produce than perishable fruits and vegetables. They will look for technology to mechanize the harvest of strawberries and other crops. And they will rent land in Mexico.
"There is one thing they won’t do.
"Even if the Trump administration were to deploy the 10,000 immigration agents it plans to hire across the nation’s fields to detain and deport farmhands working illegally, farmers are very unlikely to raise wages and improve working conditions to attract American workers instead."
Hey Skippy, we are already getting produce from Mexico. Have you been in a grocery store lately?
"Estimates are that it costs $70 to $275 per acre to machine harvest grapes (not accounting for the cost of a machine, which can range from $150,000 to $300,000). Picking by hand, which takes much longer, can run to $750 per acre at super-premium properties. Nevertheless, some vintners are taking a cavalier approach."Do you have any evidence of machinery that can harvest crops like strawberries and citrus? As far as improving economic conditions for "business owner and workers", there's little evidence of that based on recent US historyNonsense, when Az passed legislation to push the Illegals out of the state, farmers replaced them with machinery which didn't add significantly to their costs and the wages the remaining agricultural workers, all Americans, went up. Getting rid of the illegals helps both business owner and workers as well as the manufacturers of equipment that will be bought to replace the illegals. It's good for America.Are you saying you are willing to pay US agricultural workers a living wage to harvest your fruits and vegetables? If so, would you be willing to subsidize private (corporate) farmers with your tax dollars in order to consistently provide those wages?Have you ever seen mechanical harvesters for grapes, citrus, avocados, or strawberries? I suppose such devices are possible, but their cost would be well beyond what's currently being spent to harvest those crops. How much more for your fruits and vegetables are you willing to pay in order to stem illegal immigration?That's bullshit. In Arizona when tough legislation chased the illegals away, ranchers and farmers invested in new agricultural equipment that did nearly all the jobs the illegals had done, creating new jobs for equipment manufacturers and increasing wages for remaining agricultural workers. The crops will be picked and processed by machines and American agricultural workers will earn more because the illegals are gone.
Their true worth when paying Americans a living wage. Why does the left absolutely hammer Wal-Mart but give a pass to agriculture. You don't care if Wal-Mart raises prices.
https://www.economist.com/news/unit...ied-1960s-kicking-out-immigrants-doesnt-raise
"Kicking out immigrants doesn’t raise wages
At least, it didn’t when America tried in the 1960s..."
"MEXICAN immigrants were said to be holding down wages and taking jobs that could go to honest Americans. The poorest natives were supposed to be suffering most grievously. 'We cannot afford to disregard it,' intoned the president. 'We do not condone it.' The immigrants were soon sent home and not allowed to return.
"All that happened in the early 1960s.
"The president was John F. Kennedy..."
It is also possible some of the largest US growers will shift production to Mexico:Are you saying you are willing to pay US agricultural workers a living wage to harvest your fruits and vegetables? If so, would you be willing to subsidize private (corporate) farmers with your tax dollars in order to consistently provide those wages?Have you ever seen mechanical harvesters for grapes, citrus, avocados, or strawberries? I suppose such devices are possible, but their cost would be well beyond what's currently being spent to harvest those crops. How much more for your fruits and vegetables are you willing to pay in order to stem illegal immigration?That's bullshit. In Arizona when tough legislation chased the illegals away, ranchers and farmers invested in new agricultural equipment that did nearly all the jobs the illegals had done, creating new jobs for equipment manufacturers and increasing wages for remaining agricultural workers. The crops will be picked and processed by machines and American agricultural workers will earn more because the illegals are gone.
Their true worth when paying Americans a living wage. Why does the left absolutely hammer Wal-Mart but give a pass to agriculture. You don't care if Wal-Mart raises prices.
I'm saying we need to be honest. Americans will do those jobs (and do in some areas) for real wages. Illegal aliens will do it for far less. Illegal aliens fill jobs Americans could do and they suppress wages. The add to income inequality. They are holes in the bottom of the boat of the War on Poverty.
Let's quit the smoke and mirrors and see the real value of things. Americans can make up their own minds whether avocados are worth it as often. The living wage would give consumers more money, so it may be avocados every day!
If avocados are just too expensive, it is what it is. Maybe strawberries become a delicacy. So be it. Reality is better than the smokescreen IMO.
Expelling Immigrant Workers May Also Send Away the Work They Do
"This is how the growers will respond to President Trump’s threatened crackdown on immigration: They will lobby, asking Congress to provide some legal option to hang on to their foreign work force.
"They will switch to crops like tree nuts, which are less labor-intensive to produce than perishable fruits and vegetables. They will look for technology to mechanize the harvest of strawberries and other crops. And they will rent land in Mexico.
"There is one thing they won’t do.
"Even if the Trump administration were to deploy the 10,000 immigration agents it plans to hire across the nation’s fields to detain and deport farmhands working illegally, farmers are very unlikely to raise wages and improve working conditions to attract American workers instead."
I don't think there's a shortage of farmland in Mexico which suggests deporting thousands of refugees currently working US farms will also deport jobs as well as workers."This is how the growers will respond to President Trump’s threatened crackdown on immigration: They will lobby, asking Congress to provide some legal option to hang on to their foreign work force.
"They will switch to crops like tree nuts, which are less labor-intensive to produce than perishable fruits and vegetables. They will look for technology to mechanize the harvest of strawberries and other crops. And they will rent land in Mexico.
"There is one thing they won’t do.
"Even if the Trump administration were to deploy the 10,000 immigration agents it plans to hire across the nation’s fields to detain and deport farmhands working illegally, farmers are very unlikely to raise wages and improve working conditions to attract American workers instead."
Hey Skippy, we are already getting produce from Mexico. Have you been in a grocery store lately?
Surely, you don't believe there are currently too many jobs in the US?
Were you there?.... solely because of Reagan Administration-sponsored death squads in their home country. ....
BS
The source I'm relying on covered the war in El Salvador for five years.
You Don’t Need a Telescope to Find a ‘Shithole Country’
"But, far to the north, was a shithole country ruled by a former B-list movie actor who had starred in 'Bedtime for Bonzo' and who was in the early stages of dementia. This shithole country, which saw the world in black and white, communist and capitalist, was determined to thwart the aspirations of the poor and the landless..."
You're the one peddling fear and hysteria:YES!!!! Get rid of the illegals. The market will correct for it. You are doing nothing more than peddling hysterics and keeping overall wages of American citizens lower.
