Trump Deal - details, reactions and development on the ground

[BULLDOG]

Only 4 years? You don't really think anybody will go for that, do you?

 

[Litwin]

Kushner: Trump's plan last chance for a Palestinian state. do you agree with Kushner?

Technically, yes, it is the last chance for at least the foreseeable future, but in practical terms, it is already too late since the Palestinian leadership is fragmented and that will make it impossible for them to meet Trump's requirements for US recognition of a Palestinian state. That ship sailed with the second intifada and will never return.

"That ship sailed with the second intifada and will never return" ok, and what will happened with Palestinians ? they will not vanishing in the Jupiter , as wee all know Israel can not integrate them all in Jewish state

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Hey can Trump insert himself into Palestinian politics like Barack "Born in Kenya" Obama inserted himself into Israeli politics? Might help to have new, pro-peace Leadership there for a change

 

[toomuchtime_]

Kushner: Trump's plan last chance for a Palestinian state. do you agree with Kushner?

Technically, yes, it is the last chance for at least the foreseeable future, but in practical terms, it is already too late since the Palestinian leadership is fragmented and that will make it impossible for them to meet Trump's requirements for US recognition of a Palestinian state. That ship sailed with the second intifada and will never return.

"That ship sailed with the second intifada and will never return" ok, and what will happened with Palestinians ? they will not vanishing in the Jupiter , as wee all know Israel can not integrate them all in Jewish state

The status quo will remain because there is no viable alternative to it.

 

[Litwin]

Bantustans in an oppressive apartheid state.

"Bantustans in an oppressive apartheid state" you are right, as meanwhile SA has always been magnet for million non SA bantu , 90% of GDP of sub- Saharan Africa , submarines and nukes . much like Israel today ... i dont say what is right or what is wrong, i am just saying that Israel - Palestinian picture is not so simple, not black and white

 

[Tijn Von Ingersleben]

Litwin...I always knew you were a Jew.

 

[Mac1958]

Ian Bremmer is, most decidedly, NOT a Trumpster. He's a well-known and respected political scientist and geopolitical consultant. He's also an Editor-at-Large for Time magazine.

Anyway, I was a little surprised to see him relatively positive about this plan, and that's a pretty freaking good sign. Maybe we should just hope for the best:

How Trump's Peace Plan Will Change the Middle East

"This proposal will not lead to peace in the coming weeks or months or maybe ever—and it may lead to an immediate outbreak of violence in the Palestinian territories. But, I think by recognizing the harsh realities on the ground and leveraging the unique position of the U.S. in the Middle East, it might open a process that will reduce tension in the region. Based on my early assessment of the plan, it is an effort worth taking."
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[shockedcanadian]

I just don't see any other president getting it done anytime soon if it can't be done now. Both Israel and Palestine are feeling different pressures, and as such, it's the right time to "just do it".

Israel sees the growing movement of the alt-left and socialism in the West and they know with it comes interference by China and global socialists who find religion and the existent of it anywhere to be a threat. Palestine feel hopeless with most Arab nations viewing them as a burden or a minor issue for them either than to use them as a reason to justify their own hatred.

One never says never, but I imagine that peace would be a good choice in 2020. How many generations of citizens want to deal with this? As the world gets smaller, moves faster, provides opportunities for many that didn't exist in the past, the younger generation has no appetite for constant war and anger.

The older a generation in the past becomes, the less influence they have. Youth today care little about grievances of old, to them, it's time to fix the problem and move on. Find a reasonable solution of peace and make the world a better place.

 

[Mac1958]

I just don't see any other president getting it done anytime soon if it can't be done now. Both Israel and Palestine are feeling different pressures, and as such, it's the right time to "just do it".

Israel sees the growing movement of the alt-left and socialism in the West and they know with it comes interference by China and global socialists who find religion and the existent of it anywhere to be a threat. Palestine feel hopeless with most Arab nations viewing them as a burden or a minor issue for them either than to use them as a reason to justify their own hatred.

One never says never, but I imagine that peace would be a good choice in 2020. How many generations of citizens want to deal with this? As the world gets smaller, moves faster, provides opportunities for many that didn't exist in the past, the younger generation has no appetite for constant war and anger.

The older a generation in the past becomes, the less influence they have. Youth today care little about grievances of old, to them, it's time to fix the problem and move on. Find a reasonable solution of peace and make the world a better place.

A (just barely strong enough) deal could FINALLY be the pressure valve the area needs. No one thing will fix the whole mess, but so much of what happens there in terms of war and terrorism and other horrors is due to the fact that there has been NO excuse NOT to engage in that stuff.

A good (enough) deal could AT LEAST start some momentum.
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[Biff_Poindexter]

I strongly support Trump in getting a 2 state solution done and he should win the Nobel prize if he can make it happen.....

Plus, it will totally trigger the libs...which is the most important thing of all...

 

[theHawk]

A great move by the President. When the Palestinians reject the plan, it will demonstrate to the world they have no intention of ever living peacefully with Jews.

 

[georgephillip]

Maybe Trump can get this done since he and Bibi are so close -- maybe Bibi will totally ignore his previous stances on statehood for Palestine if Trump tells him to..

Was it a mistake for an impeached POTUS and an indicted Israeli Prime Minister to construct this "plan" without including indigenous Palestinians in the negotiations?

Trump Peace Plan Embraced In Israel, Rejected By Palestinians

 

[M14 Shooter]

Trump proposes Palestinian state with capital in East Jerusalem

All you need now is for the Israelis to agree.

 

[Claudette]

Kushner: Trump's plan last chance for a Palestinian state. do you agree with Kushner?

The trump peace plan will fail just as all the others have because muslims are bent on Armageddon and will settle for nothing less

Yup and I cannot tell you how much of a shit I do not give. I hope they all kill themselves.

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

Maybe Trump can get this done since he and Bibi are so close -- maybe Bibi will totally ignore his previous stances on statehood for Palestine if Trump tells him to..

Was it a mistake for an impeached POTUS and an indicted Israeli Prime Minister to construct this "plan" without including indigenous Palestinians in the negotiations?

Trump Peace Plan Embraced In Israel, Rejected By Palestinians

I refuse to believe that Israel and the US would leave Palestinians out of talks to make them an independent state....that can't be true...

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Maybe Trump can get this done since he and Bibi are so close -- maybe Bibi will totally ignore his previous stances on statehood for Palestine if Trump tells him to..

Was it a mistake for an impeached POTUS and an indicted Israeli Prime Minister to construct this "plan" without including indigenous Palestinians in the negotiations?

Trump Peace Plan Embraced In Israel, Rejected By Palestinians

I refuse to believe that Israel and the US would leave Palestinians out of talks to make them an independent state....that can't be true...

It's called in the usual vernacular "Take it or leave it."

The "Palestinians" have nothing with which to deal.

 

[DigitalDrifter]

The Palestinians have been offered a two-state solution before, and they've always turned it down.

 

[Votto]

Trump proposes Palestinian state with capital in East Jerusalem

Obviously when Obama or those evil Jew hating libs proposed statehood for Palestine -- it was one of the most evil concepts known to man and should be opposed at all costs.....but.....

"U.S. President Donald Trump on Tuesday proposed creation of a Palestinian state with a capital in East Jerusalem, dependent on Palestinians taking steps to become self-governing, in an attempt to achieve a peace breakthrough in their decades of conflict with Israel."

Maybe Trump can get this done since he and Bibi are so close -- maybe Bibi will totally ignore his previous stances on statehood for Palestine if Trump tells him to..

The U.S. plan represented the most dramatic and detailed attempt to break the historic deadlock between Israel and the Palestinians in several years, the result of a three-year effort by Trump senior advisers Jared Kushner and Avi Berkowitz and former adviser Jason Greenblatt. Trump has endorsed a proposed map outlining the two states, the officials said. The Palestinian state would be double the size of land that Palestinians currently control and would be connected by roads, bridges and tunnels, the official said. -- wow!! Palestine will be twice the size it currently is?? Who does Trump think he is? Some radical muslim cleric??

Hopefully they don't set unrealistic hurdles and demands for Palestinians to reach in order for the deal to be done and hopefully the hardliners in Israel don't believe they are able to fully dictate all terms of the agreement -- if so, then this deal proposal will be about as productive as that North Korea non-deal...I hope it all works out, but I don't know if Trump's evangelical base will be too happy about it -- the whole Armageddon thing is sort of contingent on peace in the Middle East not happening...I mean, those end of the world scenarios are kinda like their jam

There must be some agreement those hardened terrorists who are dedicated to the destruction of the Zionist state can reach with Bibi.

How about the Zionists be cast into the sea? Na, they would vote that down as well. They would probably insist on torturing them first.

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

Trump proposes Palestinian state with capital in East Jerusalem

Obviously when Obama or those evil Jew hating libs proposed statehood for Palestine -- it was one of the most evil concepts known to man and should be opposed at all costs.....but.....

"U.S. President Donald Trump on Tuesday proposed creation of a Palestinian state with a capital in East Jerusalem, dependent on Palestinians taking steps to become self-governing, in an attempt to achieve a peace breakthrough in their decades of conflict with Israel."

Maybe Trump can get this done since he and Bibi are so close -- maybe Bibi will totally ignore his previous stances on statehood for Palestine if Trump tells him to..

The U.S. plan represented the most dramatic and detailed attempt to break the historic deadlock between Israel and the Palestinians in several years, the result of a three-year effort by Trump senior advisers Jared Kushner and Avi Berkowitz and former adviser Jason Greenblatt. Trump has endorsed a proposed map outlining the two states, the officials said. The Palestinian state would be double the size of land that Palestinians currently control and would be connected by roads, bridges and tunnels, the official said. -- wow!! Palestine will be twice the size it currently is?? Who does Trump think he is? Some radical muslim cleric??

Hopefully they don't set unrealistic hurdles and demands for Palestinians to reach in order for the deal to be done and hopefully the hardliners in Israel don't believe they are able to fully dictate all terms of the agreement -- if so, then this deal proposal will be about as productive as that North Korea non-deal...I hope it all works out, but I don't know if Trump's evangelical base will be too happy about it -- the whole Armageddon thing is sort of contingent on peace in the Middle East not happening...I mean, those end of the world scenarios are kinda like their jam

There must be some agreement those hardened terrorists who are dedicated to the destruction of the Zionist state can reach with Bibi.

How about the Zionists be cast into the sea? Na, they would vote that down as well. They would probably insist on torturing them first.

Well then the US and Israel should just wipe the Palestinians off the map ….for freedom...

I wonder where those dirty muzzies were living before the 1940's --- definitely not where they are living now...the scum!

 

[Coyote]

Coyote

Thoughts? This deal *should* meet your objectives for solving the conflict, no?

I am conflicted. The devil is in the details and this was put together by Israel and the US excluding the palestinians. Israel seems to get everything they want. What exactly are the pals getting in terms of what they want? I was listening to an informative set of interviews on this morning on BBC world. I am on my phone and can't download it at the moment, but will later.

One point made was Israel can annex Arab villages to Palestine. What exactly does that mean? Arab Israeli's by far prefer their Israeli citizenship. They chose, they are well integrated. Does this mean forcing people to lose their citizenship? Shouldn't the people affected have some say?