Trump Deal - details, reactions and development on the ground

[USAF 2023]

What else do they want?

Oh, they'll find some excuse.

They've been offered, AGAIN:

• a recognized state
• contiguous
• a recognized capital of Al Quds in (more or less) E. Jerusalem
• direct access to Jordan
• rapid transit direct access between WB and Gaza
• more territory in Gaza
• dedicated temporary ports in Israel and Jordan, while theirs in Gaza is built
• temporary airport access in Jordan, while theirs is built
• direct access to the Muslim holy shrines
• continued status quo of the Temple Mount
• ALL the economic and development goodies

So the question is, why wouldn't they take it?

Does anybody see an ability (or willingness) on the part of the Pals to build a workable society?

No.

 

[TDontTouchMyCigars]

What else do they want?

Oh, they'll find some excuse.

They've been offered, AGAIN:

• a recognized state
• contiguous
• a recognized capital of Al Quds in (more or less) E. Jerusalem
• direct access to Jordan
• rapid transit direct access between WB and Gaza
• more territory in Gaza
• dedicated temporary ports in Israel and Jordan, while theirs in Gaza is built
• temporary airport access in Jordan, while theirs is built
• direct access to the Muslim holy shrines
• continued status quo of the Temple Mount
• ALL the economic and development goodies

So the question is, why wouldn't they take it?

Does anybody see an ability (or willingness) on the part of the Pals to build a workable society?

The Palestinian leaders are getting so rich while taking advantage on the conflict and abusing their own people.

Arafat, for example, had between 4-11 Billion dollars.
Write on google: The house of Abu Mazen [ Mahmood Abas ]

 

[Skull]

More details from the White House:

Peace to Prosperity | The White House

 

[toomuchtime_]

Is that why Egypt and Jordan were able to broker a Peace Treaty with Israel?

The U.S. bribed the dictators of both Egypt and Jordan with tens of millions of dollars in financial aid and weapons to play nice with Israel.

The people of both countries hate Israel with a passion. ...

Trump's Middle East peace plan calls for two states, with Palestinian capital in east Jerusalem

They got their Capital in E. Jerusalem. What else do they want? I KNOW !



PA officials: Jews have ‘no right to pray’ at Western Wall

Muslims chant about killing Jews outside Jerusalem’s Temple Mount

The capital would be outside the barrier, technically in east Jerusalem but not in practical terms.

On the one hand, Trump said Jerusalem will remain Israel’s “undivided capital,” stressing the word “undivided.” But he also said the capital of the Palestinian state would be “in eastern Jerusalem” which appears to indicate the city will be divided between the two states after all.

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The actual plan tries to reconcile those two statements. It says the Jerusalem section of the security barrier Israel constructed during the Second Intifada to stop rampant Palestinian terror attacks will become the border between the two states.

That means the Palestinian capital will be only in the few East Jerusalem neighborhoods that are within the city’s municipal boundaries but outside the security barrier.

Maybe if by some miracle the Palestinians became civilized ( doubt it) those barriers can be taken down

In the plan, Trump specifies exactly what districts will constitute the Arab capital and they all are outside of the barrier.

 

[USAF 2023]

Jeruthe “Palestinian state.”

The status of Jerusalem can not be unilaterally changed and must be in keeping with UN resolutions and international understandings, he said.

Many of the speakers spoke against US President Donald Trump’s peace plan, the first economic portion of which was discussed Tuesday and Wednesday in Bahrain at a workshop led by Trump’s envoy and son-in-law Jared Kushner.

The PA dismissed the Bahrain workshop and many Palestinians chose not to attend.


Among the most vocal was Majdalani, who referenced the 1947 Resolution 181, which set up Jerusalem as an international entity, even though he similarly spoke of east Jerusalem as the “Palestinian capital.”salem isn’t Israel’s capital, Palestinian official says after Bahrain


According to " UN Resolutions" he speaks about the Jewish people should have had access to E. Jerusalem but were denied

According to " UN Resolutions" Abbas does NOT have the legal authority to declare E. Jerusalem the Capital of " Palestine" and deny the Jewish people their religious rights .

 

[P F Tinmore]

US Middle East peace plan: Dead on arrival? | DW News

 

[toomuchtime_]

US Middle East peace plan: Dead on arrival? | DW News

lol Hardly dead on arrival. It gives Israel a US green light to annex all of the Jordan Valley, all its settlements in Judea and Samaria and it provides US recognition of all of Jerusalem as Israel's capital. Saying no will just keep the Palestinians from getting any benefits from the plan without stopping Israel.

 

[P F Tinmore]

 

[USAF 2023]

US Middle East peace plan: Dead on arrival? | DW News

Tell us why it’s “ Dead on Arrival” Are you unhappy because the Palestinians can’t ban the Jewish people from their religious sites?

 

[Shusha]

"Palestinians don't need charity, they need liberation."

So, basically Ali Abunimah's take on it is that anything which provides Israel with security should be an auto-no. Am I the only one who finds that just a little bit ... well, disturbing?

 

[toomuchtime_]

"Palestinians don't need charity, they need liberation."

So, basically Ali Abunimah's take on it is that anything which provides Israel with security should be an auto-no. Am I the only one who finds that just a little bit ... well, disturbing?

It's very Palestinian.

 

[Shusha]

Coyote

Thoughts? This deal *should* meet your objectives for solving the conflict, no?

 

[P F Tinmore]

"Palestinians don't need charity, they need liberation."

So, basically Ali Abunimah's take on it is that anything which provides Israel with security should be an auto-no. Am I the only one who finds that just a little bit ... well, disturbing?

It's very Palestinian.

What he is saying that if Israel got out of the way the Palestinians would prosper more than they will under this plan.

 

[toomuchtime_]

"Palestinians don't need charity, they need liberation."

So, basically Ali Abunimah's take on it is that anything which provides Israel with security should be an auto-no. Am I the only one who finds that just a little bit ... well, disturbing?

It's very Palestinian.

What he is saying that if Israel got out of the way the Palestinians would prosper more than they will under this plan.

Which is just an argument for continuing the conflict since Israel will not be getting out of the way. The real options for the Palestinians are the plan or nothing.

 

[Litwin]

Kushner: Trump's plan last chance for a Palestinian state. do you agree with Kushner?

 

[Litwin]

 

[Mac-7]

Kushner: Trump's plan last chance for a Palestinian state. do you agree with Kushner?

The trump peace plan will fail just as all the others have because muslims are bent on Armageddon and will settle for nothing less

 

[JWBooth]

Bantustans in an oppressive apartheid state.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Kushner: Trump's plan last chance for a Palestinian state. do you agree with Kushner?

Technically, yes, it is the last chance for at least the foreseeable future, but in practical terms, it is already too late since the Palestinian leadership is fragmented and that will make it impossible for them to meet Trump's requirements for US recognition of a Palestinian state. That ship sailed with the second intifada and will never return.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Bantustans in an oppressive apartheid state.

Indeed, the plan is to put the Palestinians in walled off bantustans/prisons/ghettos cut off from the resources they need to survive.