Trump Deal - details, reactions and development on the ground

[EvilCat Breath]

Nothing is going to happen. The palestinians will never agree to anything that permits the existence of a Jewish state.

 

[Shusha]

It gives Israel a US green light to annex all of the Jordan valley, all of its settlements and recognizes all of Jerusalem as part of sovereign Israel. It is likely the US and Israel will sign a new treaty including all the annexations and recognitions so that it will be impossible for a future president to rescind them. The Knesset will likely vote on the annexations next week.

Yep. I'm still reading (nearly half way!) but... The Plan is mainly carrots for the Palestinians. However, it seems to me that the assumptions about what Israel needs in an agreement are not especially negotiable and will be implemented with or without Palestinian approval. So for the Palestinians its really a matter if they want to scoop up the carrots.

 

[Shusha]

The Plan also gives some significant carrots to Jordan and Egypt. Which is smart, imo.

 

[Hollie]

Well this seems reasonable. I wonder what Abbas will say.

lol He'll say, no. Have you looked at the conditions for US recognition of a Palestinian state? Essentially they are that the Palestinians have to stop being Palestinians and become civilized, responsible people.

How dare you!

Hamas is the second richest terrorist organization in the world.

Mahmoud has a $50million dollar presidential jet. They're going to give that up?

 

[Aletheia4u]

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Nothing is going to happen. The palestinians will never agree to anything that permits the existence of a Jewish state.

Trump indicated that this is their last chance. I suspect he has a contingency plan.

 

[Aletheia4u]

It was the leaders of the Palestinians people, not the Palestinians people, that has been causing problems for ages. Like how the Globalist are trying their best to create racial tension over here.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Destruction of the Jewish state is in the Palestinian constitution.

 

[USAF 2023]

Palestinians know from previous experience, that making a deal with Israel'i jews is the same as making a deal with the devil. ..

Is that why Egypt and Jordan were able to broker a Peace Treaty with Israel? The above is a typical ignorant Muslim response.

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

Trump proposes Palestinian state with capital in East Jerusalem

Obviously when Obama or those evil Jew hating libs proposed statehood for Palestine -- it was one of the most evil concepts known to man and should be opposed at all costs.....but.....

"U.S. President Donald Trump on Tuesday proposed creation of a Palestinian state with a capital in East Jerusalem, dependent on Palestinians taking steps to become self-governing, in an attempt to achieve a peace breakthrough in their decades of conflict with Israel."

Maybe Trump can get this done since he and Bibi are so close -- maybe Bibi will totally ignore his previous stances on statehood for Palestine if Trump tells him to..

The U.S. plan represented the most dramatic and detailed attempt to break the historic deadlock between Israel and the Palestinians in several years, the result of a three-year effort by Trump senior advisers Jared Kushner and Avi Berkowitz and former adviser Jason Greenblatt. Trump has endorsed a proposed map outlining the two states, the officials said. The Palestinian state would be double the size of land that Palestinians currently control and would be connected by roads, bridges and tunnels, the official said. -- wow!! Palestine will be twice the size it currently is?? Who does Trump think he is? Some radical muslim cleric??

Hopefully they don't set unrealistic hurdles and demands for Palestinians to reach in order for the deal to be done and hopefully the hardliners in Israel don't believe they are able to fully dictate all terms of the agreement -- if so, then this deal proposal will be about as productive as that North Korea non-deal...I hope it all works out, but I don't know if Trump's evangelical base will be too happy about it -- the whole Armageddon thing is sort of contingent on peace in the Middle East not happening...I mean, those end of the world scenarios are kinda like their jam

your knowledge of Middle Eastern issues is limited to a few paragraphs of tongue and cheek jargon. Nobody wants a Palestinian State more than the Israelis do what they don't want is Hamas living next door to them raining missiles down on them every time they go to sleep.

Why don't you try staying in an Israeli hotel...
When and Iraqi missile knocks on the door and spoils your day maybe your political views will subside a bit and give away two more pragmatic ones.

Jo

Why would an Iraqi missile be knocking at Israel's door??

Didn't Trump beat Iraq or something already

I know more about Israel than you think --- I know even more about the utter hypocrisy of dic suckers like you

 

[Sunni Man]

Is that why Egypt and Jordan were able to broker a Peace Treaty with Israel?

The U.S. bribed the dictators of both Egypt and Jordan with tens of millions of dollars in financial aid and weapons to play nice with Israel.

The people of both countries hate Israel with a passion. ...

 

[USAF 2023]

Trump's Middle East peace plan calls for two states, with Palestinian capital in east Jerusalem

They got their Capital in E. Jerusalem. What else do they want? I KNOW !



PA officials: Jews have ‘no right to pray’ at Western Wall

Muslims chant about killing Jews outside Jerusalem’s Temple Mount

 

[USAF 2023]

Is that why Egypt and Jordan were able to broker a Peace Treaty with Israel?

The U.S. bribed the dictators of both Egypt and Jordan with tens of millions of dollars in financial aid and weapons to play nice with Israel.

The people of both countries hate Israel with a passion. ...

So you admit the Arabs initiated the 67 War and had to be BRIBED to leave Israel alone

THANK YOU

 

[toomuchtime_]

Is that why Egypt and Jordan were able to broker a Peace Treaty with Israel?

The U.S. bribed the dictators of both Egypt and Jordan with tens of millions of dollars in financial aid and weapons to play nice with Israel.

The people of both countries hate Israel with a passion. ...

Trump's Middle East peace plan calls for two states, with Palestinian capital in east Jerusalem

They got their Capital in E. Jerusalem. What else do they want? I KNOW !



PA officials: Jews have ‘no right to pray’ at Western Wall

Muslims chant about killing Jews outside Jerusalem’s Temple Mount

The capital would be outside the barrier, technically in east Jerusalem but not in practical terms.

 

[USAF 2023]

Is that why Egypt and Jordan were able to broker a Peace Treaty with Israel?

The U.S. bribed the dictators of both Egypt and Jordan with tens of millions of dollars in financial aid and weapons to play nice with Israel.

The people of both countries hate Israel with a passion. ...

Trump's Middle East peace plan calls for two states, with Palestinian capital in east Jerusalem

They got their Capital in E. Jerusalem. What else do they want? I KNOW !



PA officials: Jews have ‘no right to pray’ at Western Wall

Muslims chant about killing Jews outside Jerusalem’s Temple Mount

The capital would be outside the barrier, technically in east Jerusalem but not in practical terms.

On the one hand, Trump said Jerusalem will remain Israel’s “undivided capital,” stressing the word “undivided.” But he also said the capital of the Palestinian state would be “in eastern Jerusalem” which appears to indicate the city will be divided between the two states after all.

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The actual plan tries to reconcile those two statements. It says the Jerusalem section of the security barrier Israel constructed during the Second Intifada to stop rampant Palestinian terror attacks will become the border between the two states.

That means the Palestinian capital will be only in the few East Jerusalem neighborhoods that are within the city’s municipal boundaries but outside the security barrier.

Maybe if by some miracle the Palestinians became civilized ( doubt it) those barriers can be taken down

 

[Shusha]

What else do they want?

Oh, they'll find some excuse.

They've been offered, AGAIN:

• a recognized state
• contiguous
• a recognized capital of Al Quds in (more or less) E. Jerusalem
• direct access to Jordan
• rapid transit direct access between WB and Gaza
• more territory in Gaza
• dedicated temporary ports in Israel and Jordan, while theirs in Gaza is built
• temporary airport access in Jordan, while theirs is built
• direct access to the Muslim holy shrines
• continued status quo of the Temple Mount
• ALL the economic and development goodies

So the question is, why wouldn't they take it?

 

[TDontTouchMyCigars]

Well The best thing is that the Balestinians won't agree so we will be able to annex and wont have to establish a muslim state 20 Km of Tel Aviv

 

[TDontTouchMyCigars]

And by the way, Jordan can't break the peace treaty and wont do so.

Ask me why

 

[USAF 2023]

What else do they want?

Oh, they'll find some excuse.

They've been offered, AGAIN:

• a recognized state
• contiguous
• a recognized capital of Al Quds in (more or less) E. Jerusalem
• direct access to Jordan
• rapid transit direct access between WB and Gaza
• more territory in Gaza
• dedicated temporary ports in Israel and Jordan, while theirs in Gaza is built
• temporary airport access in Jordan, while theirs is built
• direct access to the Muslim holy shrines
• continued status quo of the Temple Mount
• ALL the economic and development goodies

So the question is, why wouldn't they take it?

Because they won’t have control over JEWISH HOLY SITES! That’s why

 

[Hollie]

What else do they want?

Oh, they'll find some excuse.

They've been offered, AGAIN:

• a recognized state
• contiguous
• a recognized capital of Al Quds in (more or less) E. Jerusalem
• direct access to Jordan
• rapid transit direct access between WB and Gaza
• more territory in Gaza
• dedicated temporary ports in Israel and Jordan, while theirs in Gaza is built
• temporary airport access in Jordan, while theirs is built
• direct access to the Muslim holy shrines
• continued status quo of the Temple Mount
• ALL the economic and development goodies

So the question is, why wouldn't they take it?

Does anybody see an ability (or willingness) on the part of the Pals to build a workable society?