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...no wonder the us is in this situation with respect to illegal immigration....
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You know damned well..... .What the hell are you talking about now, fool?
" Reality Of Current Policy "
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The left swears that illegal migrants are not entitled to equal endowment but every time the illegal migrant slides another kid across home plate over the border they get another bolster of social subsistence .What does your story about what you saw at a market mean anything?
Right wingers only allege to care about natural rights in abortion threads." Reality Of Current Policy "
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The left swears that illegal migrants are not entitled to equal endowment but every time the illegal migrant slides another kid across home plate over the border they get another bolster of social subsistence .What does your story about what you saw at a market mean anything?
Only right wingers have no market friendly solutions only their socialism on a national basis. Capitalism, what is That sayeth the Right Wing." Citizens Choice Over Migration "
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Are you diverting away from children of illegal migrants as the focus of this thread ?Hispanic women no longer account for the majority of immigrant births in the U.S.
Much of the downturn in the share of immigrant births to Hispanics has been driven by a decline in births among Mexican-origin women.www.pewresearch.orgWhy Birthrates Among Hispanic Americans Have Plummeted (Published 2019)
As fertility rates across the United States continue to decline, some of the largest drops have been among Hispanics. One big reason: generational difference.www.nytimes.com
Do not speak the language , carrying state food card , dragging children around , is an obvious giveaway ; note , those becoming us citizens must prove self reliance and self sufficiency else they will be denied citizenship as a matter of policy .Did you know these people at the market? If not, how could you know their citizenship status?
There is NOT a difference between religion and creed and the religion of secular humanism is a reference to the left wing which does not found non profit organizations from philanthropic private donations to fund its charities , rather it feels that its religion is entitled pilfer public coffers for its charities .BTW: what was this thing about "the religion of secular humanism"? What does any religion, which, incidentally, we all are supposed to choose for ourselves, have to do with this subject? Moreover, you need not discuss religion and the "public coffers."
Federal income tax is an indirect tax based upon commerce for which institutions designated as religions are exempt ; however , property tax is a direct tax and each state and local municipalities may tax religious institutions based upon its property holdings which is used for local police , fire , trash-hauling , etc . .Religions get tax exemptions in this country, and the taxpayers foot the bill to provide services for them, everything from police, fire, trash-hauling, and fixing and plowing the roads and sidewalks.
No doubt the puritanical imbeciles of deontology to go forth and multiply offer no reasonable limitation and decline any responsibility for the slums they create and only offer their pity and seek to magnify their own position .You also don't know if this family follows a religion that prohibits birth control.
...Do not speak the language ...
... carrying state food card , ...
... dragging children around ...
... those becoming us citizens must prove self reliance and self sufficiency else they will be denied citizenship as a matter of policy .
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The Constitution does not need to be changed. You people are really something with the false stories. Birthright citizenship is nothing more than a custom. Trump could, indeed, bring us up to the standard of almost every other country in the world.trump cannot unilaterally change the Constitution.
"...and subject to the jurisdiction thereof..."umbrella phrase “all persons born or naturalized in the United States.”
So if Israel dupes us into declaring war on Iran, and the Iranian ambassador happens to be in town, we can draft him and send him off to fight Iran?That concept has always been sophistry manufactured by right wing fantasy." Partisan Arguments With Basics Of Citizenship Endowment "
* Depends On Whether One Enters The Front Door Invited Or The Window Uninvited *
The phrase " subject to the jurisdiction thereof " literally means to be a subject by title of a legal agreement whereby the us vets the subject and authorizes their immigration to the united states and assumes jurisdiction to issue their " equal protection " and to an agreed extent their " endowments " as otherwise , technically , the country of origin remains responsible and must petition the us for justice through diplomacy .Now that you have tried to delegitimize my own mother, born in New Jersey, and her siblings, based on the date of their mother's and father's swearing in as citizens, go do your own ancestral homework. You are saying that any ancestors of people in Texas who were born when Texas was a territory of Mexico could not have passed down U.S. citizenship to their offspring. According to your theory, many of the people who fought Santa Ana at the Alamo were Mexican citizens.
The thread title stipulates " equal endowment " is being challenged because that is distinct from " equal protection " , as citizenship is an endowment .
The basis of a court challenge based upon wong kim ark is that the wong family had been legally allowed into the united states as subjects by title in us legal immigration system whereby us assumed jurisdiction for their well being .
An illegal migrant does not qualify as being a subject by title in us jurisdiction and their children are likewise to be given jus sanguinin citizenship from the country of their parents origin .
Would A Legal Challenge of Subject To Contract Clause Of Us 14th Amendment Succeed ?
" Would A Legal Challenge of Subject To Contract Clause Of Us 14th Amendment Succeed ? " * Opining Proposition * Enforce " subject to contract " clause of us 14th amendment and provide children birthed by an illegal migrant citizenship to the country of their mother . To avoid humanitarian...www.usmessageboard.com
Since the 1990s, however, controversy has arisen over the longstanding practice of granting automatic citizenship to U.S.-born children of illegal immigrants, and legal scholars disagree over whether the Wong Kim Ark precedent applies when alien parents are in the country illegally.[12][13]United States v. Wong Kim Ark - Wikipedia
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The U.S. government claimed that subject to the jurisdiction thereof meant "to be subject to the political jurisdiction of the United States"—an interpretation, based on international law, which would exclude parents and their children who owed allegiance to another country via the principle of jus sanguinis (citizenship inherited from a parent).[97][98]
The defense and protection of the state and of the United States is an obligation of all persons within the state. The legislature shall provide for the discharge of this obligation and for the maintenance and regulation of an organized militia.
...The rule of thumb is, if there is an authority that can draft you into war, you are subject to that authority. ...
There is no such "rule of thumb." Don't try to make shit up and expect everyone to buy it.
There is no such "rule of thumb." Don't try to make shit up and expect everyone to buy it.
Buy this, dumbass, the author of the phrase, "subject to the jurisdiction thereof," Sen. Jacob Howard of Michigan, made it abundantly clear during Senate debates that it does not apply to alien children:
It excludes not only Indians but persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, [or] who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers.
Likewise, Howard’s co-author, Sen. Lyman Trumball of Illinois, said that the phrase meant complete jurisdiction:
not owing allegiance to anybody else.
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Not mere custom after 1808. Anyone born in the US is naturally born a US citizen.The Constitution does not need to be changed. You people are really something with the false stories. Birthright citizenship is nothing more than a custom. Trump could, indeed, bring us up to the standard of almost every other country in the world.trump cannot unilaterally change the Constitution.
The defense and protection of the state and of the United States is an obligation of all persons within the state. The legislature shall provide for the discharge of this obligation and for the maintenance and regulation of an organized militia."...and subject to the jurisdiction thereof..."umbrella phrase “all persons born or naturalized in the United States.”
There is a difference between "subject to the jurisdiction" and "within the jurisdiction". The rule of thumb is, if there is an authority that can draft you into war, you are subject to that authority. If a war were to break out while a Thai tourist were here seeing the sights, the US could not draft him into the army, hand him a rifle and a bus ticket to Winnipeg and send him off. Therefore, the Thai tourist isn't subject to the US, and if he has a kid while sight-seeing, the kid is Thai and goes home with its parents.
Same for illegals.
Ambassadors are not subject to US jurisdiction.So if Israel dupes us into declaring war on Iran, and the Iranian ambassador happens to be in town, we can draft him and send him off to fight Iran?That concept has always been sophistry manufactured by right wing fantasy." Partisan Arguments With Basics Of Citizenship Endowment "
* Depends On Whether One Enters The Front Door Invited Or The Window Uninvited *
The phrase " subject to the jurisdiction thereof " literally means to be a subject by title of a legal agreement whereby the us vets the subject and authorizes their immigration to the united states and assumes jurisdiction to issue their " equal protection " and to an agreed extent their " endowments " as otherwise , technically , the country of origin remains responsible and must petition the us for justice through diplomacy .Now that you have tried to delegitimize my own mother, born in New Jersey, and her siblings, based on the date of their mother's and father's swearing in as citizens, go do your own ancestral homework. You are saying that any ancestors of people in Texas who were born when Texas was a territory of Mexico could not have passed down U.S. citizenship to their offspring. According to your theory, many of the people who fought Santa Ana at the Alamo were Mexican citizens.
The thread title stipulates " equal endowment " is being challenged because that is distinct from " equal protection " , as citizenship is an endowment .
The basis of a court challenge based upon wong kim ark is that the wong family had been legally allowed into the united states as subjects by title in us legal immigration system whereby us assumed jurisdiction for their well being .
An illegal migrant does not qualify as being a subject by title in us jurisdiction and their children are likewise to be given jus sanguinin citizenship from the country of their parents origin .
Would A Legal Challenge of Subject To Contract Clause Of Us 14th Amendment Succeed ?
" Would A Legal Challenge of Subject To Contract Clause Of Us 14th Amendment Succeed ? " * Opining Proposition * Enforce " subject to contract " clause of us 14th amendment and provide children birthed by an illegal migrant citizenship to the country of their mother . To avoid humanitarian...www.usmessageboard.com
Since the 1990s, however, controversy has arisen over the longstanding practice of granting automatic citizenship to U.S.-born children of illegal immigrants, and legal scholars disagree over whether the Wong Kim Ark precedent applies when alien parents are in the country illegally.[12][13]United States v. Wong Kim Ark - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
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The U.S. government claimed that subject to the jurisdiction thereof meant "to be subject to the political jurisdiction of the United States"—an interpretation, based on international law, which would exclude parents and their children who owed allegiance to another country via the principle of jus sanguinis (citizenship inherited from a parent).[97][98]
The defense and protection of the state and of the United States is an obligation of all persons within the state. The legislature shall provide for the discharge of this obligation and for the maintenance and regulation of an organized militia.