Trump Basically Declares War On Iran

[Zincwarrior]

What happens if we do nothing, Iran builds a nuclear weapon, and sets it off in Tel Aviv?

Sucks to be Israeli. What if Pakistan sets off a nuke in India?

Close off the Red Sea, that becomes a World problem (especially Europe). We'll get a lot of help opening it back up again.

China and Europe can deal with it. We are energy independent.

Striking US Troops is a death sentence for Iran...from their perspective for basically nothing.

Is it? They struck bases in Saudi Arabia the last time Trump was President.

The Mullah's regime is balanced on a knife's edge. If the Iranian Theocracy is dismantled, from their perspective, that is the worse possible outcome.

Good luck with that. Israel, Saudi Arabia, the gulf States and Egypt have been wanting to do that since 1979. their circus. Their problem.

I honestly believe they will capitulate.

Of course they won't .

But life is risk. You may be right.

With two terrible outcomes, it's triage. Which is worse?

Us attacking Iran.

We can play it safe and kick the can down the road...but in my opinion, that decision leads to the far worse outcome.

When has it worked out well for us since WW2?

 

[Godboy]

Logic doesn't work for you? I said after the US attacks those locations.

If the US just attacks their reactors, Iran isnt going to do shit because, they know that if they hit one of our bases, we will bomb a **** of a lot more than just a couple reactors.

What is wrong with your brain? Why cant you see the obvious? It doesnt require a genius to know that Iran has their hands full with Israel already and they would never in a million years want to also drag the US into this conflict. Your thoughts on international conflicts are ******* stupid. You suck at this.

 

[August West]

True, but he can attack Iran.

And we have more skyscrapers to fly airliners into.

 

[Mac-7]

Another self own!

You are really clueless

 

[Godboy]

And we have more skyscrapers to fly airliners into.

Yes, but it will come at the price of a million muslim lives. The US doesnt play around. The entire world learned that last time.

 

[Missourian]

Plus, we have nothing to lose from regime change in Iran anyway. It might end up bad for Iranians, but who would give a flying **** about that? Does Iran get controlled by ISIS and they start selling Iranian slaves in open markets? I couldnt ******* care less. Thats their problem.

If I could chose an outcome, Iranians overthrow the Mullahs and Iran becomes a peaceful Persian Nation again.

 

[Zincwarrior]

If the US just attacks their reactors, Iran isnt going to do shit because, they know that if they hit one of our bases, we will bomb a **** of a lot more than just a couple reactors.

Sure. And they didn't blow up a Marine barracks in Lebanon before or attack US troops in Saudi Arabia before.

What is wrong with your brain? Why cant you see the obvious? It doesnt require a genius to know that Iran has their hands full with Israel already and they would never in a million years want to also drag the US into this conflict. Your thoughts on international conflicts are ******* stupid. You suck at this.

Then there is no reason to attack them in the first place. Your whole argument is they will escalate and attack US forces if they have a nuke.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Yes, but it will come at the price of a million muslim lives. The US doesnt play. The entire world learned that last time.

They did? When?

 

[Godboy]

If I could chose an outcome, Iranians overthrow the Mullahs and Iran becomes a peaceful Persian Nation again.

I think there is a 99% chance that regime change leads to a better regime. It wont be a perfect regime, but still much better, just like in Iraq.

 

[Godboy]

Sure. And they didn't blow up a Marine barracks in Lebanon before or attack US troops in Saudi Arabia before.

That was a different age. Military equipment was more balanced back in those days, so they were more cocky back then. In 2025, we can destroy Iran without even risking 1 American life. The world knows what happens when you go after the US in the modern age. We light the entire middle east on fire when you piss us off.

 

[Godboy]

They did? When?

Google how many muslims died in the wars after 9/11. Its at least a million, some say 4 or 5 million.

 

[Godboy]

Then there is no reason to attack them in the first place. Your whole argument is they will escalate and attack US forces if they have a nuke.

If they have a nuke, they will aim it at Israel, not the US. Thats the reason for all of this.

 

[Missourian]

Sucks to be Israeli. What if Pakistan sets off a nuke in India?


China and Europe can deal with it. We are energy independent.


Is it? They struck bases in Saudi Arabia the last time Trump was President.


Good luck with that. Israel, Saudi Arabia, the gulf States and Egypt have been wanting to do that since 1979. their circus. Their problem.


Of course they won't .


Us attacking Iran.


When has it worked out well for us since WW2?

We're going to have to agree to disagree. In my opinion and from my perspective, we have been presented an opportunity here based on a convergence of events.

Russia is distracted with their own war. Israel has teed up the ball for us. We are presented with a scenario were we can keep Iran from constructing a nuclear weapon and cementing the power of the Mullahs. Even if we only delay them five years, that's five year grace period where the Theocracy can be overthrown. And this defeat would weaken the regime further.

In my opinion, the rewards vastly outweigh the risks.

 

[gipper]

You are really clueless

Projection. Obviously.

 

[gipper]

What happens if we do nothing, Iran builds a nuclear weapon, and sets it off in Tel Aviv?

Close off the Red Sea, that becomes a World problem (especially Europe). We'll get a lot of help opening it back up again.

Striking US Troops is a death sentence for Iran...from their perspective for basically nothing.

The Mullah's regime is balanced on a knife's edge. If the Iranian Theocracy is dismantled, from their perspective, that is the worse possible outcome.

I honestly believe they will capitulate.

But life is risk. You may be right.

With two terrible outcomes, it's triage. Which is worse? We can play it safe and kick the can down the road...but in my opinion, that decision leads to the far worse outcome.

This is deja vu all over again. You are repeating the talking points of the establishment just prior to the Iraq invasion, but too dumb to know it.

You will accept war propaganda EVERY time.

Can’t fix stupid.

 

[irosie91]

You are really clueless

more like DELERIOUS ----delirium is a condition of the brain brought about
by infection, toxin or even sleep deprivation. It manifests as confusion plus
delusion and hallucination. It is an interesting manifestation of neurosyphilis
that may remain latent for years before manifesting----it is also seen in HIV
infection since the virus has a penchant for infecting the brain early in the
course of the illness.

 

[gipper]

What happens if we do nothing, Iran builds a nuclear weapon, and sets it off in Tel Aviv?

Close off the Red Sea, that becomes a World problem (especially Europe). We'll get a lot of help opening it back up again.

Striking US Troops is a death sentence for Iran...from their perspective for basically nothing.

The Mullah's regime is balanced on a knife's edge. If the Iranian Theocracy is dismantled, from their perspective, that is the worse possible outcome.

I honestly believe they will capitulate.

But life is risk. You may be right.

With two terrible outcomes, it's triage. Which is worse? We can play it safe and kick the can down the road...but in my opinion, that decision leads to the far worse outcome.

Seymour Hersh is reporting the Peace President who campaigned on ending the forever wars, will bomb Iran this weekend.

MIGA!!!

WHAT I HAVE BEEN TOLD IS COMING IN IRAN
This is a report on what is most likely to happen in Iran, as early as this weekend, according to Israeli insiders and American officials I’ve relied upon for decades. It will entail heavy American bombing. I have vetted this report with a longtime US official in Washington, who told me that all will be “under control” if Iran’s Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei “departs.” Just how that might happen, short of his assassination, is not known. There has been a great deal of talk about American firepower and targets inside Iran, but little practical thinking, as far I can tell, about how to remove a revered religious leader with an enormous following.
I have reported from afar on the nuclear and foreign policy of Israel for decades. My 1991 book The Samson Option told the story of the making of the Israeli nuclear bomb and America’s willingness to keep the project secret. The most important unanswered question about the current situation will be the response of the world, including that of Vladimir Putin, the Russian president who has been an ally of Iran’s leaders.
The United States remains Israel’s most important ally, although many here and around the world abhor Israel’s continuing murderous war in Gaza. The Trump administration is in full support of Israel’s current plan to rid Iran of any trace of a nuclear weapons program while hoping the ayatollah-led government in Tehran will be overthrown.
I have been told that the White House has signed off on an all-out bombing campaign in Iran, but the ultimate targets, the centrifuges buried at least eighty meters below the surface at Fordow, will, as of this writing, not be struck until the weekend. The delay has come at Trump’s insistence because the president wants the shock of the bombing to be diminished as much as possible by the opening of Wall Street trading on Monday. (Trump took issue on social media this morning with a Wall Street Journal report that said he had decided on the attack on Iran, writing that he had yet to decide on a path forward.)
Fordow is home to the remaining majority of Iran’s most advanced centrifuges that have produced, according to recent reports of the International Atomic Energy Agency, to which Iran is a signatory, nine hundred pounds of uranium enriched to 60 percent, a short step from weapons-grade levels.
WHAT I HAVE BEEN TOLD IS COMING IN IRAN

 

[TimFitz]

The CIA was not designed to be political

Their job was to investigate the world and advise the president

That is a non response.

The CIA had little or nothing to do with the Bush regieme’s rush to war in Iraq.

it did not supply the lurid claims that thevBush people, FoxNoise, Limpballs etc used to gin up the right wing behind Bush;s war.

Nearly all the “intelligence” claims came from an office within the Pentagon up by Rumsfeld. That office was run by advocates for an Iraq war. Richard Pearle, Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Lutti, Kagan. They were also part of the a project for a New American Century, a group linked to the oil soaked American Enterprise Institute,

They got all those lurid claims from the Iraqi National Congress, which was run by a fraudster and con man named Ahmed Chalabi.

Asked in 2007 why so many of the absurd WMD claims they fed Bush and Cheney were false, he replied “I told the Americans what they wanted to hear”.

none of this has anything to do with your imaginary Deep State.

My question stands.

Who, what is the Deep State.

True to form, I asked you to tell us all about the “Deep State”.

And , once again, I get diversions, empty nonsense and made up gibberish.

 

[gipper]

Plus, we have nothing to lose from regime change in Iran anyway. It might end up bad for Iranians, but who would give a flying **** about that? Does Iran get controlled by ISIS and they start selling Iranian slaves in open markets? I couldnt ******* care less. Thats their problem.

Yeah because our government has had do much success on recent regime change efforts.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Military equipment was more balanced back in those days

That was late in Trump's first term.