Trump and Vance actively supporting Viktor Orban as President of Hungary should concern us all

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Anti-immigration policies​

One of his most defining positions:
Built border fences during the 2015 migrant crisis
Enforced strict asylum rules

• Framed immigration as a threat to national identity and security.

Because immigration throughout western Europe has been a raging success, right?

 

[Harry Dresden]

Despots exist because stupid, simple minded people blindly follow them. They are scared to make decisions for themselves. They let the despot do it. Lazy, fearfull, pathetic people.

who are you blindly following now elmer?..shall i take a guess?...

 

[Billiejeens]

Not really...

Poland has rejected the right in last election and the Right in Europe are turning away from Trump.

Melon (Italy) is moving away from Trump.

Meloni told leaders she understands Orbán’s Ukraine position, diplomats say

Italian prime minister said she supported Kyiv getting its €90 billion immediately but sees where Hungary is coming from in blocking the loan.

www.politico.eu

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That is it, at the start of the year... Should be worse now...

He probably won't get elected in Poland.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Nothing alike

sure they are...they say the same shit about each other...they call each other the same names...they accuse each other of doing the same things....you cant see it billie because you may be one of them....

 

[Independent thinker]

I vote based on the candidate, not those who endorse them.

Bingo! Don't you think Hungarians do the same thing? Or, do you think they are stupid?

 

[ElmerMudd]

Bingo! Don't you think Hungarians do the same thing? Or, do you think they are stupid?

Some do, some don't. Let's assume no one does. Why in the hell is Vance going to Hungary, on tax payer dollars, to try and motivate voters to vote for the authoritarian. It is what he did, no th results.

 

[ElmerMudd]

who are you blindly following now elmer?..shall i take a guess?...

guess

 

[ElmerMudd]

Because immigration throughout western Europe has been a raging success, right?

Forget immigration. Look at the other things he does, I summarized. Is that what you want in the US?

 

[Hollie]

Trump, Orban, Netanyahu, Putin, they all want fascist societies where they maintain control and silence dissent.

Putin is, to my knowledge, the only one capable of doing this at the moment, but these 4 all are using the same playbook.

There are failings by their political opposition that allows them to appear to many as the best choice to head the government, specifically Orban and Trump, chiefly immigration, which has allowed millions of refugees into both Europe and the United States with little oversight.

Never fails. The fascist™ slogan from the loopy left.

 

[ElmerMudd]

Never fails. The fascist™ slogan from the loopy left.

Orban is not a fascist.

 

[Hollie]

Despots exist because stupid, simple minded people blindly follow them. They are scared to make decisions for themselves. They let the despot do it. Lazy, fearfull, pathetic people.

Referencing democrats and their worship of the Biden corpse.

Good for you.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Because immigration throughout western Europe has been a raging success, right?

Well, it brought workers who brought wealth to countries. Also allowed people to have pensions.

Why do you think all governments end up with immigration?

Even Japan did it. JAPAN.

Then the further right comes with its policies and attacks what's happening.

All the whole, nobody is talking about the issues.

Which is, how do you keep a country moving forwards, keep pensions at high levels, keep a standard of living, with low birth rates?

Orban went out of his way to increase the birth rate of Hungary.

List of countries by total fertility rate - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

According to this Hungary has a fertility rate of 1.5. The UK has a birth rate of 1.54.

What's the difference? One has more immigration than the other.

Orban failed. The replacement rate is 2.1 in richer countries with better healthcare.

 

[Hollie]

Orban is not a fascist.

He is, according to the left, if he wants order and limits for immigration.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Orban is not a fascist.

Then what is he?

 

[ElmerMudd]

Then what is he?

He is. I forgot the question mark. Orban is not a fascist? Question to the person who said he is not.

 

[Hollie]

Well, it brought workers who brought wealth to countries. Also allowed people to have pensions.

Why do you think all governments end up with immigration?

Even Japan did it. JAPAN.

Then the further right comes with its policies and attacks what's happening.

All the whole, nobody is talking about the issues.

Which is, how do you keep a country moving forwards, keep pensions at high levels, keep a standard of living, with low birth rates?

Orban went out of his way to increase the birth rate of Hungary.

List of countries by total fertility rate - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

According to this Hungary has a fertility rate of 1.5. The UK has a birth rate of 1.54.

What's the difference? One has more immigration than the other.

Orban failed. The replacement rate is 2.1 in richer countries with better healthcare.

When did uncontrolled immigration to Europe bring wealth?

 

[ElmerMudd]

He is, according to the left, if he wants order and limits for immigration.

Try this. No immigration issues.

1. Reshaping Hungary’s political system​

Rewrote the constitution (2011) and passed many new laws that strengthened executive power.
Reduced checks and balances by weakening courts and filling key positions with loyalists.
Critics say this has led to a system sometimes described as “illiberal democracy.”

• Increased government influence over universities and research institutions, including forcing some foreign institutions to leave or restructure.

Redrew electoral districts and modified election rules in ways critics say favor his party (Fidesz).
Built long-term structural advantages that make it harder for opposition parties to win.

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Used unconventional taxes (e.g., on banks and foreign companies)
Increased state involvement in key sectors.
Critics argue he created crony capitalism, benefiting business allies.

Maintains close ties with Russia and has often resisted EU pressure (e.g., on sanctions or Ukraine support).
At times has taken positions that complicate relations with the EU and NATO.
Recent reporting highlights mixed or contradictory diplomatic behavior (e.g., outreach to different geopolitical actors).

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[Hollie]

Try this. No immigration issues.

1. Reshaping Hungary’s political system​

Rewrote the constitution (2011) and passed many new laws that strengthened executive power.
Reduced checks and balances by weakening courts and filling key positions with loyalists.
Critics say this has led to a system sometimes described as “illiberal democracy.”

• Increased government influence over universities and research institutions, including forcing some foreign institutions to leave or restructure.

Redrew electoral districts and modified election rules in ways critics say favor his party (Fidesz).
Built long-term structural advantages that make it harder for opposition parties to win.

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Used unconventional taxes (e.g., on banks and foreign companies)
Increased state involvement in key sectors.
Critics argue he created crony capitalism, benefiting business allies.

Maintains close ties with Russia and has often resisted EU pressure (e.g., on sanctions or Ukraine support).
At times has taken positions that complicate relations with the EU and NATO.
Recent reporting highlights mixed or contradictory diplomatic behavior (e.g., outreach to different geopolitical actors).

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Your cutting and pasting had nothing to do with my post.

 

[ElmerMudd]

Referencing democrats and their worship of the Biden corpse.

Good for you.

You thought Biden was a despot? How do you define a despot.
Biden's cognitive decline resulted deminished leadership capacity.
That is not a despot. Just the opposite.
MAGA minions trying to provide an alternative truth. A LIE.

 

[frigidweirdo]

He is. I forgot the question mark. Orban is not a fascist? Question to the person who said he is not.

Right, got it.