Trump and Vance actively supporting Viktor Orban as President of Hungary should concern us all

Trumpsters were cheering their hero when he kept saying "that overseas stuff is none of our business".

Now he has made a complete, 180-degree turn, and the cult remains mostly intact. They're all for it. Of course.

But now the cult has their biggest pundit names waking up and calling it out, even questioning his sanity, so they'll have to insult those people, too.
 
Very true. The similarities between the two would be much more obvious if Trump were not so flamboyant, unstable and juvenile.

Orban's steady, calm and more dignified approach make him more dangerous, flying more under the radar. Orban would be a perfect role model for Vance to follow.

Authoritarians come in all stripes, and they admire each other. The world has seen THAT before, too. In Europe.
Progressive socialist authoritarians here you give a free pass. Teh western nations of Europe will have civil discourse someday from their immigration policies. We must move our soldiers from western Europe and go to some nations in eastern Europe and northern Europe while reducing our payments to that honky colonist asshole region of the world
 
Most of us are concerned. Some of us rather like the idea of an autocracy, even if they don't realize it. They just simple mindedly support everything trump wants to do. Not having put two and two together yet.
Despots exist because stupid, simple minded people blindly follow them. They are scared to make decisions for themselves. They let the despot do it. Lazy, fearfull, pathetic people.
 
Trump and Vance actively supporting Viktor Orban as President of Hungary should concern us all.
His politics are closer to the Russia government than the USA government.

1. Reshaping Hungary’s political system​

Rewrote the constitution (2011) and passed many new laws that strengthened executive power.
Reduced checks and balances by weakening courts and filling key positions with loyalists.
Critics say this has led to a system sometimes described as “illiberal democracy.”

2. Control over media and institutiIntroduced media laws and enabled allies to acquire major outlets, resulting in a largely pro-government media landscape.​

  • Increased government influence over universities and research institutions, including forcing some foreign institutions to leave or restructure.

Election system changes​

Redrew electoral districts and modified election rules in ways critics say favor his party (Fidesz).
Built long-term structural advantages that make it harder for opposition parties to win.


Anti-immigration policies​

One of his most defining positions:
Built border fences during the 2015 migrant crisis
Enforced strict asylum rules
  • Framed immigration as a threat to national identity and security.


Economic policies (“Orbanomics”)​

Used unconventional taxes (e.g., on banks and foreign companies)
Increased state involvement in key sectors.
Critics argue he created crony capitalism, benefiting business allies.

Foreign policy moves​

Maintains close ties with Russia and has often resisted EU pressure (e.g., on sanctions or Ukraine support).
At times has taken positions that complicate relations with the EU and NATO.
Recent reporting highlights mixed or contradictory diplomatic behavior (e.g., outreach to different geopolitical actors).


Use of state power and emergency measures​




Why don't we just let Hungary decide for themselves who to vote for? And please don't misconstrue my post as attacking Trump for something you yourself want to do - interfere in Hungary's election. If you think we should interfere to get the results you want then why doesn't the other side get to do the same?
 
Why don't we just let Hungary decide for themselves who to vote for? And please don't misconstrue my post as attacking Trump for something you yourself want to do - interfere in Hungary's election. If you think we should interfere to get the results you want then why doesn't the other side get to do the same?
That is my issue! the US is interferring using tax payer dollars. Vance is campaigning for him in Hungary.
 
That is my issue! the US is interferring using tax payer dollars. Vance is campaigning for him in Hungary.
Let me ask you this, if Vance came to your city and your state to campaign, would you vote for him or for who he was campaigning for?
 
Let me ask you this, if Vance came to your city and your state to campaign, would you vote for him or for who he was campaigning for?
What difference does that make. When you campaign for someone your purpose is to get them elected. You make your pitch and some people buy in, some do not.
The key is the intent.
The intent was an American VP stumping for Putin's buddy on taxpayer dollars. It does not matter if nobody voted for him, because of Vance.
 
What difference does that make. When you campaign for someone your purpose is to get them elected. You make your pitch and some people buy in, some do not.
The key is the intent.
The intent was an American VP stumping for Putin's buddy on taxpayer dollars. It does not matter if nobody voted for him, because of Vance.
Let me ask you this, if Vance came to your city and your state to campaign, would you vote for him or for who he was campaigning for?
 
Let me ask you this, if Vance came to your city and your state to campaign, would you vote for him or for who he was campaigning for?
It depends on who he was campaigning for. I vote based on the candidate, not those who endorse them.

But if I was an advocate for authoritarian government. A government that is friendly with Russia. If the VP of the USA supports authoritarianism, favors my authoitarian governemnt over the democrtic countries in europe, it would solidify my vote for the autocratic all powerful President. USA has clout.
 
Trump and Vance actively supporting Viktor Orban as President of Hungary should concern us all.
His politics are closer to the Russia government than the USA government.

1. Reshaping Hungary’s political system​

Rewrote the constitution (2011) and passed many new laws that strengthened executive power.
Reduced checks and balances by weakening courts and filling key positions with loyalists.
Critics say this has led to a system sometimes described as “illiberal democracy.”

2. Control over media and institutiIntroduced media laws and enabled allies to acquire major outlets, resulting in a largely pro-government media landscape.​

  • Increased government influence over universities and research institutions, including forcing some foreign institutions to leave or restructure.

Election system changes​

Redrew electoral districts and modified election rules in ways critics say favor his party (Fidesz).
Built long-term structural advantages that make it harder for opposition parties to win.


Anti-immigration policies​

One of his most defining positions:
Built border fences during the 2015 migrant crisis
Enforced strict asylum rules
  • Framed immigration as a threat to national identity and security.


Economic policies (“Orbanomics”)​

Used unconventional taxes (e.g., on banks and foreign companies)
Increased state involvement in key sectors.
Critics argue he created crony capitalism, benefiting business allies.

Foreign policy moves​

Maintains close ties with Russia and has often resisted EU pressure (e.g., on sanctions or Ukraine support).
At times has taken positions that complicate relations with the EU and NATO.
Recent reporting highlights mixed or contradictory diplomatic behavior (e.g., outreach to different geopolitical actors).


Use of state power and emergency measures​




It is the corruption that is the biggest thing.

Forget the ideology, the guy is a crook...



The EU has given Hungary 80bn euro, it is believed Orban has 20bn Euro embezzled with his close relations and friends...

This is an EU country not a backwater... Orban is just too corrupt for the country to progress...

Hungary has the worst performing economy in the EU...

JD Vance say EU interferes with Hungary, yes it does, when 20bn euro of you money is stolen you have a full right.
 
Hungary needs to be booted from the EU. They have sucked off the EU teet for too long and flagrantly violated their rules. Let there economy go into shithole status and watch them beg to rejoin.
I think this could be the watershed.

EU wants to invest in Hungary's youth, they want the country to do well. They don't want to give up, but if they have to for the betterment of the union they will...

That happens and China will have no interest in them anymore... Orban is a proxy for China in the EU, he doesn't look at Hungarian interests..
 
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The most reliable allies we have in the EU are the former Soviet Block countries.
Not really...

Poland has rejected the right in last election and the Right in Europe are turning away from Trump.

Melon (Italy) is moving away from Trump.

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That is it, at the start of the year... Should be worse now...
 
Orban should be very wary who he associates with. Some folks can be your best buddy one day then bomb the living hell out of you the next. As I recall, a portion of Turkey appears to be part of "the Greater Israel" project.

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If Orban is smart, he's building tons of missiles and drones and underground facilities to build and store them. I believe Turkey is a Muslim nation so you never know when the "chosen" will start sending bombs in your direction.
Orban is Hungary, that it Turkey. Two very different places.
 
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and yet you and jones and others here support everything your useless party tells you without ever questioning...the 2 parties so much alike....even if you dont realize it, not having put 2 and 2 together yet...

Nothing alike
 
Orban is Hungary, that it Turkey. Two very different places.
I meant Erdogan. In either case ... they shouldn't trust Trumps "promises" to do this or that. They may as well befriend a pack of hyenas.
 
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