Trump and company’s NY Civil case penalty struck down

The NY Court of Appeals (the state’s highest court) just struck down the nearly half a billion dollar fine as having been “excessive.”

I love it when a plan comes together.


Suck on that Letitia.

The court decision was fractured, that’s true. But the outcome is outstanding.

I frankly don’t predict any version of justice from the NY State Court of Appeals.
And it's to be expected throughout America as fascism gets its legs!

No opposition to the regime will be left standing, perhaps as soon as following the next election.

America can't afford to be bothered by the inefficiencies of democracy, when its enemies are totally free to bring about sweeping social changes!
 
This horrifying case was doomed from the start. And it failed its purpose, which was to hobble Trump and keep him from running.

Next up, the bullshit 34 bookkeeping "crimes". Which it looks like may not get a chance to be overturned due to appeals court lawfare.

So, if I read this right, he was found guilty of -- Something, but there is no fine, no penalty?
There will still be a huge fine.
 
In what we call reality, the case was very successful, and the trump crime family will still pay a huge fine.
I don't know about your (and I mean plural you, since you use the imperial, or perhaps hive-mind "we") reality, but in mine, the $500M fine was dismissed. If NY wants to impose a new fine, then a new trial will be needed.

Seeing as Letitia James has her own criminal mortgage investigation to worry about, I don't see that as likely.
 
And it's to be expected throughout America as fascism gets its legs!
When assholes, like you, don’t like the outcome rendering justice — at last — for a political opponent, you always claim “fascism.” You couldn’t be a more ponderous pantload.
No opposition to the regime will be left standing, perhaps as soon as following the next election.

America can't afford to be bothered by the inefficiencies of democracy, when its enemies are totally free to bring about sweeping social changes!
There is not an iota of sense in your petty diatribe.

I hope this outcome —which we see makes you cry and whine like the ***** you are — causes you angst and sleepless nights.
 
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I don't know about your (and I mean plural you, since you use the imperial, or perhaps hive-mind "we") reality, but in mine, the $500M fine was dismissed. If NY wants to impose a new fine, then a new trial will be needed.

Seeing as Letitia James has her own criminal mortgage investigation to worry about, I don't see that as likely.
No. The judgment was upheld. So James has the option of reinstating a smaller penalty, as i understand it.
 
Now it's her turn 😎

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The judgement itself was upheld.

Now James will appeal to the NY Supreme Court to reinstate the penalty, or part of it. I find it impossible to believe that they will not reinstate a portion of the penalty.
 
Addendum:

Despite a search, I now see this court decision had been the focus of a different thread. The other one was placed (completely logically) in “Law and Justice.”

Since I hadn’t seen an such thread when I did the search, I out this one in politics because the “case” was so obviously a political attack instead of being about either the law or justice.

If a Mod wants to merge my thread into the earlier thread, please feel free.
 
Just like that? No, I don't think so.
Yes, just like that, by appealing to the NY Supreme Court.

You dont actually believe they will uphold the judgment, yet reinstate no large penalty, right? That wouldn't make sense.
 

Another gotcha gone by the wayside. What new lawfare can they dream up.....
That was my take a rarely prosecuted law that is broken thousands of times a day and not prosecuted and then a fine that is many times higher than ever been issued before, seemed politically motivated and a Constitutional violation and the court agreed.

I think we will see the felonies go away as well, because they violated Trumps Constitutional rights.

I do not agree with Trump going after those that went after him, that can also be seen as violating someone’s Constitutional rights as well.
 
The judgement itself was upheld.

Now James will appeal to the NY Supreme Court to reinstate the penalty, or part of it. I find it impossible to believe that they will not reinstate a portion of the penalty.
Only the fines involved in the alleged fraud apply. They ruled the excessive silliness imposed violated the 8th amendment. That will not be revisited, going forward will likely see the rest of that sham shitshow tossed as well.
 
The judgement itself was upheld.

Now James will appeal to the NY Supreme Court to reinstate the penalty, or part of it. I find it impossible to believe that they will not reinstate a portion of the penalty.
The verdict was upheld. The judgment includes the award. And that was NOT upheld.

Also, Trump will appeal the underlying verdict on appeal.

It was a bullshit political determination by Engoran and I would anticipate a very good prospect of a reversal of the verdict and a dismissal of the entire “case” as the ultimate outcome.
 
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State will appeal to NY Court of Appeals


The court, which was split on the merits of the lawsuit and the lower court’s fraud finding, dismissed the penalty Engoron imposed in its entirety while also leaving a pathway for further appeals to the state’s highest court, the Court of Appeals.
 
Yes, just like that, by appealing to the NY Supreme Court.

You dont actually believe they will uphold the judgment, yet reinstate no large penalty, right? That wouldn't make sense.
They had a separate trial to determine the fine. That's the one that was overturned. Unanimously. It's possible the NY Appeals Court or Supreme Court will reinstate this, but I doubt it, for reasons below.

From a different link about this case:

The decision kept in place this and other non-monetary penalties that Judge Engoron imposed. Either side can appeal the decision to the state's highest court, the New York Court of Appeals.

The appellate panel of five judges was divided over the merits of the original lawsuit brought by New York Attorney General Letitia James, who had accused Trump and his sons of "persistent and repeated fraud".

While several judges said she was "within her lawful power in bringing this action", one believed the case should have been dismissed and two said that there should be a new trial of a more limited scope.

Those two, though, joined the decision to throw out the fine "for the sole purpose of ensuring finality", wrote Judge Peter Moulton.

In the 323-page decision, Judge Moulton said that American voters had "obviously rendered a verdict" on Trump's political career.

"This bench today unanimously derails the effort to destroy his business," the judge wrote.

 
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